Beware Of The Trolls

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Magenta

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#21
I am guilty to have been trolling but I do so in a playful way(or do I?:b)
LOL. I don't think of you as a toll, even though I have seen you say what I would call deliberately provocative things to people on occasion. Mostly you speak from the heart and plumb a depth some may have never seen or aspired to. :)
 

JosephsDreams

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#22
There are very few here whom I would say have never trolled. However, acting like a troll from time to time does not make one a troll. Or does it? I cannot tell you how often I have seen people complaining about how mean and nasty people are here, and yet some of those same people are mean and nasty to others when they find reason to be by their own justifications and rationalizations. I have seen all manner of nonsense defended here. For me it boils down to the sin issue, and the fact that we live in a fallen world. Everyone wants to be treated with respect and consideration, but how willingly do we extend this esteem to others? Those who specifically come here to troll us have their reasons. Some of us may have had the very same or similar reasons at some point before we were saved.
troll
One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument


I don't think I have ever trolled, if I have, I don't recall it.
You make valid points M., but outside of treating everyone with respect, which is something all Christians should do, even giving respect to our enemies, I think the issue is the integrity of the site, and how do we allocate our time/space resources.
 
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Miri

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#23
Maybe I have this wrong so do tell if you disagree, but I think people who are Christians
who have physiological issues, generally are agreeable and when their issues become
more pronounced, they seem to realise there is a problem.

Ive known a few on here in the past who have posted of their problems and when they have
not been well they have backed off for a while, or it has become evident. i have also seen
some people at church when they are struggling, but even at their worst episodes
you could still see Jesus in them.



But I have also seen people completely given over to Satan, they swear, blaspheme, curse,
some may even call them insane. It's strange though how such people cannot logically have
a normal conversation, but they are capable of reciting scripture, expounding it but at the
same time twisting and distorting it to mean all manner of awful twisted sick lies.
But ask them a simple everyday question like would you like a coffee and they can barely reply.
But ask them about the bible and suddenly their mouth just spews out vile twisted evil.
I really do think that is satanic in nature.



Then there every day normal people who look and sound perfectly normal, but mention
Jesus and it riles them, makes them angry. They may well be the typical troll character.
They are angry full stop, maybe they had a bad experience at church, maybe they are
gay, maybe they are just angry at life generally and blame God. But they are just as
capable of venting their frustrations out on Christian websites. Very rarely are they
looking for answers, they are just angry and want to take it out on someone.


There are also various other characters, the ones who troll for entertainment or as a
bet. The ones who think it's a game. The ones who want to look big etc.

Whatever ever the reason, Satan can use them all and does.


There is another type, where someone can appear to be a troll but get are just
looking for answers like why would God let this happen etc, they can come across
as being very bitter but yet here the come looking for answers.

Maybe we need to pray for protection and wisdom, protection from those who would
try to destroy this work and wisdom to know when a person just wants answers.

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coby2

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#24
Does this work the same way if we replace troll with "insane?" Yesterday someone truly insane was banned from CC. Should he have been? I have absolutely no idea, although I lean towards yes. I just can't wrap how I feel with how God deals with insanity. (And does God think we're all insane? We can't/won't do his will of our own accord. Isn't that insane?)

The other side of the coin on the question of trolls is how quickly someone is labeled a troll. If Jack (apparently the king of past trolls) really showed up as often as it is purported he does show up, he is one very busy man! I have labeled two different people a particular troll I saw on here over the Easter weekend. Ends up if that is the same person, he has two distinct personalities. (I do still think one is, but I was wrong on the other.) So we're all guilty of calling a person a troll before determining trollishness. Considering I don't think insane equals troll, I'm hard pressed to think not feeding the people we think are trolls is a good idea.

And then again, what do we do with insane people when they come? (And this is not a place to start another nitpick session on defending the mentally disabled. There is a distinct difference between a mental disability and being completely insane. Albeit, this very much does have to do with we do have some that are too far from reality to get a handle on, and maybe they're not always up to completely insane.)

Are we trying to divide wheat from tares? And if that's it, don't we have enough of that already to the detriment of this forum?
I first thought that guy from yesterday was mentally ill or something, but when he spouted such venom I had had enough. Mentally ill or not, sorry, but if you say you are a christian you can't hide behind a mask of poor me I'm mentally ill and the way he spoke I don't think he was. I've been in a mental institution where the people could behave really well, because everyone in Holland has to act normal, even the mentally ill. Act normal please. If they can, anyone can or they must be as demon posessed as the demoniac, but he wasn't posting on forums, he was walking naked through the graves.
 

Magenta

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#25
troll
One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument

I don't think I have ever trolled, if I have, I don't recall it.
You make valid points M., but outside of treating everyone with respect, which is something all Christians should do, even giving respect to our enemies, I think the issue is the integrity of the site, and how do we allocate our time/space resources.
I agree, I do not think you have ever trolled. The problem sometimes becomes that one wants full rein to express their opinions while being offended at others expressing their opinions. If personal remarks could be left off completely, I think we could make a lot of headway as a group of apologists. I do witness some people making great efforts in this regard and still they get shot down. With others the approach may be more along personal lines overall. I tend to simply avoid people I find especially offensive for whatever reason. I am often able to see how the fault lies in me at the same time. The true trolls I generally ignore, although there have been times I have felt moved to engage them. I have engaged them and then had Christians trying to moderate and projecting things into the situation that are not even there. It is a funny business this online world we inhabit. Discretion and discernment are called for at all times.
 
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AuntieAnt

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#26
I've posted this here as BDF seems to be the most popular place for trolls.

But here are a few of the comments from trolls on other website forums.
I've bleeped out the bad language. Just posting this so people will see what kind
of people are out there, the more successful CC becomes, the worse it will get.

Some deliberately target CC.

Maybe it would be better to identify such people earlier and just not bother responding
although I must admit that sometimes I can't resist posting a "whaaaat" post.

Hope this does not cause offence by the way, it is just a bit of an eye opener if you
have not seen comments like these before. These people aren't bothered whether they
make sense or not, or what you say to them. They just want to create as much harm
and cause as many arguments as possible. They are not bothered about your well being
or the accuracy of their posts. They twist and distort the bible. It does not matter what
you say to them, they just laugh in the face of your comments.

Maybe something like this should be a sticky at the start of each forum to make everybody
aware of this problem.



Ephesians 6:12 NKJV
[12] For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against
powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of
wickedness in the heavenly places.




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I troll the # out of them but Christian chat rooms seem to be closing faster
than Radio Shack. There are # few left to troll and I see this as a good sign.
Since I published an article in August 2012several Christian chat rooms have
bitten the dust. I would go to these rooms and # with them. I would create
fights regarding doctrine but mostly I'd post scripture that they wish did not exist.
As usual they would say it was "out of context" (those ####) but why asked
would never explain why or how. Did I mention that I hate lying ######?

I have been IP banned from several sites and servers for my "trolling". To a
Christian, asking hard questions and posting scripture that supports doctrine
different than their's is trolling. Make me wish I had the skills of Anonymous and
while I am against censorship I would have no problem censoring censors.
Here the article I wrote on trolling chat rooms. I'd like to troll Muslims but I
would not do it without anonymity.



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Update! This currently is the most active Christian Chat Room.
Troll smart troll hard! Christian Chat Net - 24/7 Christian Chat with people
all over the world!


The above chat room is full of very ignorant # and arrogant know it alls. Calvinisim
really sends them for a loop. Salvation by grace is another topic that gets them riled
up. Most Christians are the John 3:16 variety. They believe that simply believing
that Jesus is God get you a free pass to heaven in spite of what an # you have
been in your life but of course the Bible contradicts that.



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Christians ### and they are #### annoying. They are also as dishonest as a Mitt
Romney political ad. The fun thing about Christians is when it comes to the Bible
they don't #### so it is really easy to #### with them.


If these smug pious hypocrites ##### with their evil lying and hypocrisy then pay
them a visit and ask them some tough questions. The best place to #### with
them are in Christian chat rooms.



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Trolling religious people is a way to keep our sanity when bible dehumanizes,
humiliates, degrades us for being atheists = merely for not believing in god
(who's allegedly all loving and all forgiving) Lots of our friends and even families
worship THIS VERY BOOK and praise the author, calling him "divine" and "benevolent".
These of us who happen to be not straight, bible calls "ABOMINATIONS" and says
we deserve to be killed - again THIS is the book christians consider holy and use
as their moral compass - accusing US of having no values and no morals.
THAT IS WHY WE TROLL.
These troll comments actually break my heart. Especially the ignorant comments about God's love. I'm not at all surprised there's a network of trolls looking for avenues to vent their hatred of religious fanatics. But seriously, there is such a misrepresentation of Christ Jesus in the world, so many confusing contradictions of doctrine spewed across the internet on a daily basis, it's heartbreaking. Can we really blame them for their disgust of religion?

Think about this: if the trolls are out there watching Christians, shouldn't we be even more aware of putting our pride aside and trusting God to reveal himself in us rather than advertise ourselves and our opinions? If they're watching, we ought to let them see Christ Jesus and not ourselves.

Just the fact that they are watching tells me they are seeking. May they find Jesus and not us.

We shouldn't argue with trolls or even preach at them. We shouldn't mock them or goad them. We should treat them the way we ourselves want to be treated. And if they cross the line and become abusive or vulgar, just report them and put them on ignore. Ya know? Drama free.
 

JosephsDreams

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#27
"Mental illness refers to a wide range of mental health conditions — disorders that affect your mood, thinking and behavior. Examples of mental illness include depression, anxiety disorders, schizophrenia, eating disorders and addictive behaviors."
By the Mayo Clinic staff.

Who isn't mentally ill in this fallen world? The only one who wasn't was Jesus.

But can a mentally ill Christian be violent or hostile or aggressive? I mean consistently.
One of the fruits of the spirits is self control, not to mention gentleness and peace.

Can we discern by the "you will know them by their fruits" who is a wheat and who is a tare? I think so, or why would the bible say that?

So can a mentally ill person, be a Christian? Doesn't God renew our minds?


 

jsr1221

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Jul 7, 2013
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#28
I've posted this here as BDF seems to be the most popular place for trolls.

But here are a few of the comments from trolls on other website forums.
I've bleeped out the bad language. Just posting this so people will see what kind
of people are out there, the more successful CC becomes, the worse it will get.

Some deliberately target CC.

Maybe it would be better to identify such people earlier and just not bother responding
although I must admit that sometimes I can't resist posting a "whaaaat" post.

Hope this does not cause offence by the way, it is just a bit of an eye opener if you
have not seen comments like these before. These people aren't bothered whether they
make sense or not, or what you say to them. They just want to create as much harm
and cause as many arguments as possible. They are not bothered about your well being
or the accuracy of their posts. They twist and distort the bible. It does not matter what
you say to them, they just laugh in the face of your comments.

Maybe something like this should be a sticky at the start of each forum to make everybody
aware of this problem.



Ephesians 6:12 NKJV
[12] For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against
powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of
wickedness in the heavenly places.




------


I troll the # out of them but Christian chat rooms seem to be closing faster
than Radio Shack. There are # few left to troll and I see this as a good sign.
Since I published an article in August 2012several Christian chat rooms have
bitten the dust. I would go to these rooms and # with them. I would create
fights regarding doctrine but mostly I'd post scripture that they wish did not exist.
As usual they would say it was "out of context" (those ####) but why asked
would never explain why or how. Did I mention that I hate lying ######?

I have been IP banned from several sites and servers for my "trolling". To a
Christian, asking hard questions and posting scripture that supports doctrine
different than their's is trolling. Make me wish I had the skills of Anonymous and
while I am against censorship I would have no problem censoring censors.
Here the article I wrote on trolling chat rooms. I'd like to troll Muslims but I
would not do it without anonymity.



--------



Update! This currently is the most active Christian Chat Room.
Troll smart troll hard! Christian Chat Net - 24/7 Christian Chat with people
all over the world!


The above chat room is full of very ignorant # and arrogant know it alls. Calvinisim
really sends them for a loop. Salvation by grace is another topic that gets them riled
up. Most Christians are the John 3:16 variety. They believe that simply believing
that Jesus is God get you a free pass to heaven in spite of what an # you have
been in your life but of course the Bible contradicts that.



---------


Christians ### and they are #### annoying. They are also as dishonest as a Mitt
Romney political ad. The fun thing about Christians is when it comes to the Bible
they don't #### so it is really easy to #### with them.


If these smug pious hypocrites ##### with their evil lying and hypocrisy then pay
them a visit and ask them some tough questions. The best place to #### with
them are in Christian chat rooms.



---------


Trolling religious people is a way to keep our sanity when bible dehumanizes,
humiliates, degrades us for being atheists = merely for not believing in god
(who's allegedly all loving and all forgiving) Lots of our friends and even families
worship THIS VERY BOOK and praise the author, calling him "divine" and "benevolent".
These of us who happen to be not straight, bible calls "ABOMINATIONS" and says
we deserve to be killed - again THIS is the book christians consider holy and use
as their moral compass - accusing US of having no values and no morals.
THAT IS WHY WE TROLL.
The troll kinda does have a point about the arroagance and ignorance of folks on this site, though. Just saying.
 

blue_ladybug

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#29
According to Mitspa and Siberian_Khatru, I'm a troll. :( lol
 
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AuntieAnt

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#30
"Mental illness refers to a wide range of mental health conditions — disorders that affect your mood, thinking and behavior. Examples of mental illness include depression, anxiety disorders, schizophrenia, eating disorders and addictive behaviors."
By the Mayo Clinic staff.

Who isn't mentally ill in this fallen world? The only one who wasn't was Jesus.

But can a mentally ill Christian be violent or hostile or aggressive? I mean consistently.
One of the fruits of the spirits is self control, not to mention gentleness and peace.

Can we discern by the "you will know them by their fruits" who is a wheat and who is a tare? I think so, or why would the bible say that?

So can a mentally ill person, be a Christian? Doesn't God renew our minds?


arrow10 - Copy.jpg Excellent point, Joseph!
 

Blain

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#31
LOL. I don't think of you as a toll, even though I have seen you say what I would call deliberately provocative things to people on occasion. Mostly you speak from the heart and plumb a depth some may have never seen or aspired to. :)
If I say anything provocative I do so with the intent to make ppl really ponder and search deep withing their hearts, but sadly I also may easily be seen as trying to start commotion. I made a thread once don't remember what it was but I never responded to it and it was a thread about a sensitive subject that causes war in the forums even though I can't remember what that specific topic was. a mod contacted me and told me how he removed it because I was intentionally trying to start war I was horrified that this is how it appeared. in my deepest of hearts I do not try to start war I try to still the waters but I sometimes say things that are better not said
 

JosephsDreams

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#32
I agree, I do not think you have ever trolled. The problem sometimes becomes that one wants full rein to express their opinions while being offended at others expressing their opinions. If personal remarks could be left off completely, I think we could make a lot of headway as a group of apologists. I do witness some people making great efforts in this regard and still they get shot down. With others the approach may be more along personal lines overall. I tend to simply avoid people I find especially offensive for whatever reason. I am often able to see how the fault lies in me at the same time. The true trolls I generally ignore, although there have been times I have felt moved to engage them. I have engaged them and then had Christians trying to moderate and projecting things into the situation that are not even there. It is a funny business this online world we inhabit. Discretion and discernment are called for at all times.
We lose a lot in the way of communication because of not seeing the body language and facial expressions, nor hearing voice intonation and speech rhythm's. Even with that people zoom past each other like two trains in the night in what we are attempting to communicate.
So yeah, discretion and discernment are called for. That is where the Spirit is a huge help.
 
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#33
Nice parable but I don't think it's about banning and not feeding trolls. I used to go to another forum where, not sure if it's true, but I read that the owner was a troll himself and the dream God gave me about him and how they treated those trolls vs christians, banning christians who talked about deliverance, evangelisation, helping people in need (only psychiatry was allowed, otherwise you got a warning), I got banned while sharing my testimony to atheists, hmmmm. Well anyways if you let them the christians will leave. There was a whole exodus there. It's like: leave Babylon. It was toxic. I told them you'd ban Jesus Himself. The others could just say what they wanted.
First, Yay! You're back!

Second, didn't you just prove it is like the parable -- who are the tare and who are the wheat? You even went to a forum that was anti-wheat, therefore you got kicked off.
 
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AuntieAnt

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#34
According to Mitspa and Siberian_Khatru, I'm a troll. :( lol
Yeah but you're so awesome and beautiful and entertaining, we make an exception for you. 011508-blue-jelly-icon-animals-animal-ladybug9-sc24.png LOLOLOL!!
 
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​I don't like the chat rooms here. You go in, and if you ask a question, get completely ignore like they don't see or hear you. IMO, the chat rooms here are just as cliquish and snobby as some of the forums are..
IMHO "Chat" rooms are close to being totally useless. It is mainly mindless chatter, with no substance. Knee-jerk responses. (Not that there is all that much real thought put into replies in many of the "written" forums.)

There are about six to ten people here whose posts I really appreciate because they honestly do seem to try to think before they post. But, I saw almost none of that in the Chat sections.
 

Magenta

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#37
If I say anything provocative I do so with the intent to make ppl really ponder and search deep withing their hearts, but sadly I also may easily be seen as trying to start commotion. I made a thread once don't remember what it was but I never responded to it and it was a thread about a sensitive subject that causes war in the forums even though I can't remember what that specific topic was. a mod contacted me and told me how he removed it because I was intentionally trying to start war I was horrified that this is how it appeared. in my deepest of hearts I do not try to start war I try to still the waters but I sometimes say things that are better not said
I understand your intention because that is often mine as well even if it is misunderstood at times. I try really hard to understand others but know I do not always succeed, which saddens me, but I must accept that I cannot know everything, either, and the most important person for me to know and understand, second only to Jesus of course, is myself. Shakespeare said

This above all: to thine own self be true,
And it must follow, as the night the day,
Thou canst not then be false to any man.
 

JosephsDreams

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#38
Well, people are more prone to less insight when speaking then when writing. In fact the law holds written thoughts to a higher standard of evidence then verbal expressions, so...oh heck, why am I trying to make excuses for the chat rooms. I went on one for all of 3 minutes before I opted out.
They s..k !
 
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AuntieAnt

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#39
IMHO "Chat" rooms are close to being totally useless. It is mainly mindless chatter, with no substance. Knee-jerk responses. (Not that there is all that much real thought put into replies in many of the "written" forums.)

There are about six to ten people here whose posts I really appreciate because they honestly do seem to try to think before they post. But, I saw almost none of that in the Chat sections.
There was one time I had a remarkable time in the chat room and that was when they had a singles chat party one night last year (under my previous user name). Maybe a dozen people showed up. There was music interjected and lots of fun talk about food and funny things and it was very lighthearted and refreshing.

All the other times I went into the chat rooms were exactly how you described, Willie. Mindless chatter and knee jerk responses. And also a bunch of folks debating doctrine. I never witnessed agreement on the word of God. Never. So to me that's not chat - that's arguing.

I ain't never going in again. :p
 

hornetguy

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#40
because everyone in Holland has to act normal
?? is that one of Holland's laws, Coby? Be as crazy as you want, but ACT NORMAL! :D

Just pokin' a little fun at you.. I think we could actually use a law like that over here... maybe Trump will do an executive order....

(runnin' for the door again....)

was that trollish behavior? ;)