What does the Bible say about homosexuality...

[4enlightment]

They wanted the men, while refusing two virgin girls..... WHY is that so hard for you to understand?

By not believing in the words that Jesus has told us is considered worst than a sodomite, then why does we associates with non-believers, like co-workers and neighbors and etc.. Should we ought to not make a cake for them or serve them in our establishments as well? Or should we not eat of their sacred raisin cakes?


Matthew 10:14 If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet. 15 Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.

Matthew 11:23 And you, Capernaum, will you be lifted to the heavens? No, you will go down to Hades. For if the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Sodom, it would have remained to this day.

Hosea 3:1 The Lord said to me, “Go, show your love to your wife again, though she is loved by another man and is an adulteress. Love her as the Lord loves the Israelites, though they turn to other gods and love the sacred raisin cakes.”

 

[Word_Swordsman]

By not believing in the words that Jesus has told us is considered worst than a sodomite, then why does we associates with non-believers, like co-workers and neighbors and etc.. Should we ought to not make a cake for them or serve them in our establishments as well? Or should we not eat of their sacred raisin cakes?


Matthew 10:14 If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet. 15 Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.

Matthew 11:23 And you, Capernaum, will you be lifted to the heavens? No, you will go down to Hades. For if the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Sodom, it would have remained to this day.

Hosea 3:1 The Lord said to me, “Go, show your love to your wife again, though she is loved by another man and is an adulteress. Love her as the Lord loves the Israelites, though they turn to other gods and love the sacred raisin cakes.”

The sin of Sodomites called for immediate physical death at the hands of angels, though there was no condemnation to hell for them. Later the Law reaffirmed that judgment on that sin, requiring the very blood of homosexuals, the sin listed by God as one of a short list of abominations before him.

Jesus made a clear distinction of the matter of spiritual death, which came to us by way of the one sin of Adam, but once the glory of God manifested unto salvation through Jesus the Christ, individual sins are not the basis for eternal death. Repentance and believing the gospel of Christ is what leads sinners to salvation. However, none of that erased physical and mental consequences of any sin. The same sins of old that called for execution by stoning still have potential to destroy lives, though usually more slowly through disease.

When people go out of their way to exhibit willingness to practice habits that have never been taken off the Abomination list, a whole host of problems in this life and the next are much more likely for an unrepentant sinner. The Bible warns frequently of certain judgment through falling into the holy hands of God whose wrath has been delayed. When we persist in ignoring commandments or morality, we are in a spiritual manner poking God in the eye. He is often merciful to allow years of opportunity to obey his holiness. Men having sex with men, women with women, can't possibly demonstrate they truly love the Lord. I doubt Jesus would have waited on the trail for two disciples to go off under a tree together, under the Law of Moses or later when through his death was excused from the Law of Moses, though always teaching a much higher standard of holiness possible through the Spirit in us.

I said all that to boil it down to this. Adultery was evil in his day, thought forgivable upon repentance ("Go, and sin no more"). Forgivable, but still subject to consequences, such as being stoned though forgiven or not. But his standard of holiness declared a man an adulterer for just look a second time at a woman with lust.
Align your thoughts about homosexuality with that principle.

 

[4enlightment]

The sin of Sodomites called for immediate physical death at the hands of angels, though there was no condemnation to hell for them. Later the Law reaffirmed that judgment on that sin, requiring the very blood of homosexuals, the sin listed by God as one of a short list of abominations before him.

Jesus made a clear distinction of the matter of spiritual death, which came to us by way of the one sin of Adam, but once the glory of God manifested unto salvation through Jesus the Christ, individual sins are not the basis for eternal death. Repentance and believing the gospel of Christ is what leads sinners to salvation. However, none of that erased physical and mental consequences of any sin. The same sins of old that called for execution by stoning still have potential to destroy lives, though usually more slowly through disease.

When people go out of their way to exhibit willingness to practice habits that have never been taken off the Abomination list, a whole host of problems in this life and the next are much more likely for an unrepentant sinner. The Bible warns frequently of certain judgment through falling into the holy hands of God whose wrath has been delayed. When we persist in ignoring commandments or morality, we are in a spiritual manner poking God in the eye. He is often merciful to allow years of opportunity to obey his holiness. Men having sex with men, women with women, can't possibly demonstrate they truly love the Lord. I doubt Jesus would have waited on the trail for two disciples to go off under a tree together, under the Law of Moses or later when through his death was excused from the Law of Moses, though always teaching a much higher standard of holiness possible through the Spirit in us.

I said all that to boil it down to this. Adultery was evil in his day, thought forgivable upon repentance ("Go, and sin no more"). Forgivable, but still subject to consequences, such as being stoned though forgiven or not. But his standard of holiness declared a man an adulterer for just look a second time at a woman with lust.
Align your thoughts about homosexuality with that principle.

Matthew 18:22 Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.


The body was never meant for couples to pleasured themselves with, but no one cannot stop that except for Paul. But Paul said "since sexual immorality existed in us, then let a man have his own wife to suppresses his urges". Paul said that if a man decided to choose a virgin (But he did not said a divorced woman) has not committed a sin, but he whom doesn't takes a wife does better. It says that a divorced woman must not be married again except to return to her husband only; but only a widow is free to marry another man because she is released from the laws. But lucky Jesus had died for all of us and so that we are released from the laws. But if no one does not want to be under grace and judge others by the laws, then there should not be any wedding cakes being made for people that has been divorced from another. But if they comes into the bakery trying to have a wedding cake made for their new wedding, then the baker should chase them out of the store by throwing stones at them. The only reason why the laws allowed them to divorce, it is because they hearts were hard, that God did not want to destroy them all. But God wanted them to work things out in their relationship, but not to abandon it, and which abandon means to divorce, and God never abandon nor forsake anyone. But under grace, God sees are weaknesses and understand them. But He doesn't tell them to get out of that relationship that they should not be in, but He overlooked it, because a person need to be in a relationship that they can handle. But if they cannot handle the first, then they has the capability to handle being alone, having patience until their other has changed their life around.

 

[coby2]

Matthew 18:22 Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.


The body was never meant for couples to pleasured themselves with, but no one cannot stop that except for Paul. But Paul said "since sexual immorality existed in us, then let a man have his own wife to suppresses his urges". Paul said that if a man decided to choose a virgin (But he did not said a divorced woman) has not committed a sin, but he whom doesn't takes a wife does better. It says that a divorced woman must not be married again except to return to her husband only; but only a widow is free to marry another man because she is released from the laws. But lucky Jesus had died for all of us and so that we are released from the laws. But if no one does not want to be under grace and judge others by the laws, then there should not be any wedding cakes being made for people that has been divorced from another. But if they comes into the bakery trying to have a wedding cake made for their new wedding, then the baker should chase them out of the store by throwing stones at them. The only reason why the laws allowed them to divorce, it is because they hearts were hard, that God did not want to destroy them all. But God wanted them to work things out in their relationship, but not to abandon it, and which abandon means to divorce, and God never abandon nor forsake anyone. But under grace, God sees are weaknesses and understand them. But He doesn't tell them to get out of that relationship that they should not be in, but He overlooked it, because a person need to be in a relationship that they can handle. But if they cannot handle the first, then they has the capability to handle being alone, having patience until their other has changed their life around.

4enlightenment, I'm here at the office. There's nothing to do and now I'm almost bursting.
hahahahahahahahaha
ooooh
imagine that.. I see it right in front of me. Hello baker we want a pie.
Grabs some stones
hahahahaha
they run out of the store like an idiot

 

[Word_Swordsman]

Matthew 18:22 Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.

Lest anyone in the world take that seriously, I'll risk falling for a trolling.

Forgiveness is mandatory if one seeks forgiveness. That parable in Mat 18 doesn't teach, though, that unrepented sin is no longer judged, or that it's OK to go ahead and persistently sin on the assumption that God will forgive it because of grace. If that were the truth, then Jesus was in error in Matthew 11:20-22 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein most of his mighty works were done, because they repented not:
[SUP]21 [/SUP] Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment, than for you.

Any sin that will face a hard judgment by God is not something God winks at today, else it would be unjust to judge people later when supposedly forgiven today. He has not glossed over any sin, especially sins he hates enough to let angels come with judgment before the great Day of Judgment. We are the ones who must forgive now. However, Christians are taught in scripture not to hook up with sinners, accepting their sin lifestyles.

Paul made it clear not to associate with people who live contrary to holiness. Romans 16:17-20 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] For your obedience is come abroad unto all men. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.

Peter added that we would have to leave this world to totally escape contact with sinners, but that can't be used to say we ought then to be tolerant of the very folks to be avoided. He also wrote 2 Peter 2:20-22 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

I highly recommend studying that chapter to get the whole idea of what happens to people who are supposedly become Christian, yet return to the former sin lifestyle, or enter into another, presuming they will escape Judgment. Their judgment will be harsher than had they never heard of Jesus.

The body was never meant for couples to pleasured themselves with, but no one cannot stop that except for Paul.

God commanded Adam and Eve to procreate, fill the world with people. There is yet no alternate way to do that without a man and woman "pleasuring" themselves together. To date people are still being born that are fully designed for that. I can imagine a lifetime eunuch with severe neurorpathy such that pain can't be felt, would accept your comment. The only restriction God has put on it is the requirement of biblical marriage between one man and one woman. To "pleasure" two bodies together outside the only marriage God accepts is fornication or adultery.

But Paul said "since sexual immorality existed in us, then let a man have his own wife to suppresses his urges". Paul said that if a man decided to choose a virgin (But he did not said a divorced woman) has not committed a sin, but he whom doesn't takes a wife does better.

That's a terrible misquote regardless of Bible version. Let's drop the joking on this subject, put the record straight for the sake of the world of gullible folks. 1 Corinthians 7:1-2 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

It's OK for a man not to have contact with a woman, as not all are suited to marriage or raising children. That doesn't serve as approval to choose another man for "pleasuring together". If a man chooses to live as an eunuch, he is not sinning in that.
Homosexuality is in the sin class of fornication and adultery, to be avoided, specifically commanded of Christians in
Acts 15:28-29 (KJV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
[SUP]29 [/SUP] That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

It says that a divorced woman must not be married again except to return to her husband only; but only a widow is free to marry another man because she is released from the laws. But lucky Jesus had died for all of us and so that we are released from the laws. /QUOTE]

Not one human is "released" from the "spirit of" the Law's moral code. The whole idea is to enter Christ, be forgiven, then live free of slavery to sin. You are not approved to take up the dead man of sin upon your back, carrying his putrid slime around in proud display. That dead man is supposed to remain buried. In Matthew 5, the central core of the gospel is revealed that God has amplified the moral code higher than Moses dared teach. I note that it was ignored that I posted earlier about how God regards lusting after a woman not our wife is equal to actually committing adultery with her. The same principle must be applied to a man lusting for another man, yet never actually physically "pleasuring" together. Even a eunuch can be found violating all that "in his heart". The same goes for women towards women.

But if no one does not want to be under grace and judge others by the laws, then there should not be any wedding cakes being made for people that has been divorced from another. But if they comes into the bakery trying to have a wedding cake made for their new wedding, then the baker should chase them out of the store by throwing stones at them. The only reason why the laws allowed them to divorce, it is because they hearts were hard, that God did not want to destroy them all. But God wanted them to work things out in their relationship, but not to abandon it, and which abandon means to divorce, and God never abandon nor forsake anyone. But under grace, God sees are weaknesses and understand them. But He doesn't tell them to get out of that relationship that they should not be in, but He overlooked it, because a person need to be in a relationship that they can handle. But if they cannot handle the first, then they has the capability to handle being alone, having patience until their other has changed their life around.

The grace of God has to do with helping people escape slavery to sin, not wallow in it up to the Judgment.

 

[4enlightment]

Lest anyone in the world take that seriously, I'll risk falling for a trolling.

Forgiveness is mandatory if one seeks forgiveness. That parable in Mat 18 doesn't teach, though, that unrepented sin is no longer judged, or that it's OK to go ahead and persistently sin on the assumption that God will forgive it because of grace. If that were the truth, then Jesus was in error in Matthew 11:20-22 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein most of his mighty works were done, because they repented not:
[SUP]21 [/SUP] Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment, than for you.

Any sin that will face a hard judgment by God is not something God winks at today, else it would be unjust to judge people later when supposedly forgiven today. He has not glossed over any sin, especially sins he hates enough to let angels come with judgment before the great Day of Judgment. We are the ones who must forgive now. However, Christians are taught in scripture not to hook up with sinners, accepting their sin lifestyles.

Paul made it clear not to associate with people who live contrary to holiness. Romans 16:17-20 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] For your obedience is come abroad unto all men. I am glad therefore on your behalf: but yet I would have you wise unto that which is good, and simple concerning evil.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.

Peter added that we would have to leave this world to totally escape contact with sinners, but that can't be used to say we ought then to be tolerant of the very folks to be avoided. He also wrote 2 Peter 2:20-22 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

I highly recommend studying that chapter to get the whole idea of what happens to people who are supposedly become Christian, yet return to the former sin lifestyle, or enter into another, presuming they will escape Judgment. Their judgment will be harsher than had they never heard of Jesus.



God commanded Adam and Eve to procreate, fill the world with people. There is yet no alternate way to do that without a man and woman "pleasuring" themselves together. To date people are still being born that are fully designed for that. I can imagine a lifetime eunuch with severe neurorpathy such that pain can't be felt, would accept your comment. The only restriction God has put on it is the requirement of biblical marriage between one man and one woman. To "pleasure" two bodies together outside the only marriage God accepts is fornication or adultery.



That's a terrible misquote regardless of Bible version. Let's drop the joking on this subject, put the record straight for the sake of the world of gullible folks. 1 Corinthians 7:1-2 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

It's OK for a man not to have contact with a woman, as not all are suited to marriage or raising children. That doesn't serve as approval to choose another man for "pleasuring together". If a man chooses to live as an eunuch, he is not sinning in that.
Homosexuality is in the sin class of fornication and adultery, to be avoided, specifically commanded of Christians in
Acts 15:28-29 (KJV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
[SUP]29 [/SUP] That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

It says that a divorced woman must not be married again except to return to her husband only; but only a widow is free to marry another man because she is released from the laws. But lucky Jesus had died for all of us and so that we are released from the laws. /QUOTE]

Not one human is "released" from the "spirit of" the Law's moral code. The whole idea is to enter Christ, be forgiven, then live free of slavery to sin. You are not approved to take up the dead man of sin upon your back, carrying his putrid slime around in proud display. That dead man is supposed to remain buried. In Matthew 5, the central core of the gospel is revealed that God has amplified the moral code higher than Moses dared teach. I note that it was ignored that I posted earlier about how God regards lusting after a woman not our wife is equal to actually committing adultery with her. The same principle must be applied to a man lusting for another man, yet never actually physically "pleasuring" together. Even a eunuch can be found violating all that "in his heart". The same goes for women towards women.



The grace of God has to do with helping people escape slavery to sin, not wallow in it up to the Judgment.

Proverbs 23:7 For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he: Eat and drink, saith he to thee; but his heart is not with thee.

Matthew 5:28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.


Whatever a person thinks, he is actually has done it eventhough he is has not committed it in the natural. But if there were nothing to prevents him from doing it, like the laws, he would of had done it. And that type of a person that is a slave to the laws, that they depends on them in order to make the right decisions.

 

[Word_Swordsman]

Proverbs 23:7 For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he: Eat and drink, saith he to thee; but his heart is not with thee.

Matthew 5:28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.


Whatever a person thinks, he is actually has done it eventhough he is has not committed it in the natural. But if there were nothing to prevents him from doing it, like the laws, he would of had done it. And that type of a person that is a slave to the laws, that they depends on them in order to make the right decisions.

To that I answer through 2 Corinthians 10:1-6 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Now I Paul myself beseech you by the meekness and gentleness of Christ, who in presence am base among you, but being absent am bold toward you:
[SUP]2 [/SUP] But I beseech you, that I may not be bold when I am present with that confidence, wherewith I think to be bold against some, which think of us as if we walked according to the flesh.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
[SUP]4 [/SUP] (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
[SUP]6 [/SUP] And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.

Verse 2 is a claim by Paul that he lays aside meekness among disciples to be bold toward some believing Christians live according to the flesh (not of the Spirit). That was those folk's opinion.

Verse 3 counters their illogic, that of course all living humans walk "in" the flesh, including Christians who have not died. However, we are not warring against flesh and blood people, so fleshly weapons favored by the worldly sinners walking "according" to the flesh are not ours to use. Ours are useful for conquering evil strongholds, through the truth of the word of God, prayer, staying without guile, etc.

Armed with the mighty spiritual weapons, we should employ them toward even instantly vanquishing vain imaginations that can set us up to take a sinful second look at any temptation, thereby threatening our very soul even though not doing anything physical. Our every though ought to be pleasing to the Lord, and ought to demonstrate love for neighbors who hear our words, see our deeds.

So, if we are supposed to do such things, then having a passing thought that is instantly rejected, cast out of our mind,
can't be accounted as having performed a thought we refuse to contemplate, far short of doing the deed of it.

All that is to say also that if a person is still slave to the Law, he is not in the Spirit, and could not cast down evil thoughts, all the while incapable of keeping all the Law.

I don't know all the laws of the USA. However, I've never been charged with committing a crime. How so? I learned a long time ago that knowing the basis of law, which includes the Mosaic moral code, helps quickly recognize an action might be illegal, so I won't carry it through. For instance, if there are no speed limit signs, I travel a reasonable speed for conditions, knowing many communities post a standard "in city" limit that applies in the absence of signs. Think ahead, listen for the Spirit to nudge toward doing right. Knowing the Law's moral code will speed anyone well down the road of holy living, having heard the Law is our schoolmaster unto Christ. Then, when the Law sets up a warfare in the flesh, when I ask the Lord about my part, he will respond with an even higher standard than what the Law teaches. That knowledge then reminds me to cast down "stinkin' thinkin'" since I am now walking in and according to the Spirit, not according to the flesh, though walking around in the flesh, and finding it impossible to totally avoid contact with many still walking in and according to the flesh.