The "Rapture"?

Ahwatukee · Apr 5, 2016

Hello Nikki84,

The answer to your question is found in the introduction of the great tribulation saints described in Rev.7:14. These will be those who become believers after the church has been removed and will probably include those who proclaimed to be in Christ before the gathering, but had gone back to willfully living according to the sinful nature and missed the boat. The fact that this group in white robes which is too large to count and are being introduced demonstrates that they are not the church, that the elder is asking John who they are demonstrates that they are not the church, that John doesn't know who they are demonstrates that they are not the church. Read starting from Rev.7:9-17.

Nikki84 · Apr 5, 2016

Ahwatukee said:

Hello Nikki84,

The answer to your question is found in the introduction of the great tribulation saints described in Rev.7:14. These will be those who become believers after the church has been removed and will probably include those who proclaimed to be in Christ before the gathering, but had gone back to willfully living according to the sinful nature and missed the boat. The fact that this group in white robes which is too large to count and are being introduced demonstrates that they are not the church, that the elder is asking John who they are demonstrates that they are not the church, that John doesn't know who they are demonstrates that they are not the church. Read starting from Rev.7:9-17.

Hi

You used the word probably and anything after that is just a guess. Interesting argument against OSAS though

Nikki84 · Apr 5, 2016

I'm gonna agree to disagree on this
Hi kaylagirl! I apologize if I have upset you in any way. Just because I profess to be Christian. does not mean I automatically believe in this new "rapture" doctrine. I know many Christians who do not believe this either

Nikki84 · Apr 5, 2016

Nikki84 said:

Some of my friends think that we will have to teach millions of dumbfounded Christians when their "rapture" doesn't happen. This is interesting since I'm not a teacher, but I can listen and wipe their tears and assure them Christ is still real

Elizabeth619 · Apr 5, 2016

I'm not a rapture believer. From intense studying I see where revelation is in reference to the first century. oldhermit sent me a study in my pm box a long time ago about Revelation, the antichrist, ect and it made total sense to me. I'd post it but won't without his permission.

eternally-gratefull · Apr 5, 2016

Nikki84 said:

I know this.

Posts like this will never convince a rapture believer the rapture is not true, if anything, it will cause even more division.

Most rapture people. myself included, will not need to be taught anything by you or anyone else. We will be to busy teaching the world about God so they can be saved. and probably be martyred along the way.

Lets focus on real issues, Not issues which no one can know for certain.

If the rapture does happen, then those left behind are going to be mad we were to busy fighting with each other, then trying to lead them to christ.

Elizabeth619 · Apr 5, 2016

eternally-gratefull said:

Considering the rapture has been predicted by certain dates for years and all have been proven wrong it seems to me there is a large misunderstanding about the rapture. People on here even believe false predictions. Then when proven wrong they try to justify it as if they are still right. The rapture is a largely misunderstood issue and too many on here
fall for it over and over again.

Nikki84 · Apr 5, 2016

eternally-gratefull said:

How are you going to lead anyone if you are flying away? That's my point I guess. If all the teachers are flown out of here, who is going to lead those left behind to Christ? Like I said before, makes no sense. Enjoy your Left Behind books

eternally-gratefull · Apr 5, 2016

Nikki84 said:

lol. Well if I am not here, then the HS would lead would he not?

This is what I mean by division. WHo said anything about flying away in my post?

um, The 144000, the 2 witnesses. They have to have a job to do don;t they? Not to mention people who were schooled in christianity, But never made a faith decision and were left being (if the rapture happens)

Your argument is weak.. Where is your faith in God?

Like I said before. You have no argument, Just want to slam others and cut them down, You did not even respond to my post in kind, You took what I said and distorted it..

ie, you have proven yourself to be one no one should listen to concerning this subject.

All you wanrt to do is cut people down, Not actually discuss things.

Now let me help.

This is my response to what would a rapture person if the rapture does not occur (we were wrong)

This is my response on what we should do now. so we have less people to teach later..

If that is to hard to understand, forgive me I thought it was prety simple

Nikki84 · Apr 5, 2016

eternally-gratefull said:

lol. Well if I am not here, then the HS would lead would he not?

This is what I mean by division. WHo said anything about flying away in my post?

um, The 144000, the 2 witnesses. They have to have a job to do don;t they? Not to mention people who were schooled in christianity, But never made a faith decision and were left being (if the rapture happens)

Your argument is weak.. Where is your faith in God?

Like I said before. You have no argument, Just want to slam others and cut them down, You did not even respond to my post in kind, You took what I said and distorted it..

ie, you have proven yourself to be one no one should listen to concerning this subject.

All you wanrt to do is cut people down, Not actually discuss things.

Now let me help.

This is my response to what would a rapture person if the rapture does not occur (we were wrong)

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This is my response on what we should do now. so we have less people to teach later..

If that is to hard to understand, forgive me I thought it was prety simple

And you should not think you're gonna ride in and save this thread with your arrogance

JesusIsAll · Apr 5, 2016

kaylagrl said:

Kaylagrl, you may find this interesting, the first part of the blog post involving some old translations and the Greek for what is "taken" in the KJV: Link to Blog Post. A few months ago, a preacher I've always had great respect for, Greg Laurie, also did an exegesis on this, finding it interesting some trustworthy scholars are finding the same things. It's too much to go into, but what is traditionally made of the verses in a number of commentaries has flawed assumptions, on closer scrutiny. Bless you!

Nikki84 · Apr 5, 2016

eternally-gratefull said:

lol. Well if I am not here, then the HS would lead would he not?

This is what I mean by division. WHo said anything about flying away in my post?

um, The 144000, the 2 witnesses. They have to have a job to do don;t they? Not to mention people who were schooled in christianity, But never made a faith decision and were left being (if the rapture happens)

Your argument is weak.. Where is your faith in God?

Like I said before. You have no argument, Just want to slam others and cut them down, You did not even respond to my post in kind, You took what I said and distorted it..

ie, you have proven yourself to be one no one should listen to concerning this subject.

All you wanrt to do is cut people down, Not actually discuss things.

Now let me help.

This is my response to what would a rapture person if the rapture does not occur (we were wrong)

This is my response on what we should do now. so we have less people to teach later..

If that is to hard to understand, forgive me I thought it was prety simple

You are free to swallow hook, line and sinker the delusional ramblings of a sick woman

popeye · Apr 5, 2016

Nikki84 said:

Hardly any post tribs use that false narrative anymore.

Especially after you guys get a little education that she was post trib.

Try a bible.

That art of taking the debate to dead people is so tired and lame

Nikki84 · Apr 5, 2016

This was a discussion til E.G. attacked me. Sorry if my debate style upsets you. I'm not a pro nor pretend to be

popeye · Apr 5, 2016

Nikki84 said:

Jesus was what,delusional with his escape verses?

"...when you see the armies encircling Jerusalem,flee...."

I am sure someone jumped up and told Jesus how he REASONED incorrectly,instead of obeying in faith.

You guys may have a faith issue or something.

Really bizarre how you twist so many verses.

kaylagrl · Apr 5, 2016

Elizabeth619 said:

All predictions on when the rapture, or taking away, are false. ALL! Only God knows the time,the Bible clearly states this. But it makes a good read in a book and makes people money. If you know the Bible you know that no one but God knows the time.

Nikki84 · Apr 5, 2016

popeye said:

ummmmm, ok. Outta here. I'm being raptured from this thread

popeye · Apr 5, 2016

Nikki84 said:

I try,hopefully accurately,to debate idea/concept vs idea/concept.

I have noticed over the years post trib adherents answer verses with extra biblical rabbit trails.

You guys go personal on a regular basis.

I can present a postrib rapture as well as anyone,until the snag of the "impossibility".
Once that dynamic occurs in scriptural exegesis,then I drop that avenue.

Post trib rapture is impossible on several levels.

popeye · Apr 5, 2016

Nikki84 said:

No honest postrib can SCRIPTURALLY trade punches with me.

My "job",as is yours,is to make my opponent go against the word.

I can do that quite easily.

kaylagrl · Apr 5, 2016

JesusIsAll said:

Kaylagrl, you may find this interesting, the first part of the blog post involving some old translations and the Greek for what is "taken" in the KJV: Link to Blog Post. A few months ago, a preacher I've always had great respect for, Greg Laurie, also did an exegesis on this, finding it interesting some trustworthy scholars are finding the same things. It's too much to go into, but what is traditionally made of the verses in a number of commentaries has flawed assumptions, on closer scrutiny. Bless you!

So would you believe we are going to go through the tribulation,or not?

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