Discomfort around the other sex

[DuchessAimee]

I hope this doesn't derail the thread too much. It seems like this has become about spiritual warfare anyway. I don't want to use the word "skeptical" because I don't disbelieve you. I very much believe in your background and the knowledge that you have as a result of it. I will say that the first thought that came to my head is that I think the reason a lot of people tend to brush this kind of thing off or feel skeptical of it is that it is talked about in such hush-hush or cryptic terms, and being the curious mind that I am and someone who only ever wants to learn about things he doesn't understand, I'm just wondering if you can elaborate somewhat. Perhaps more detail is better off being explained in a PM, which I am open to. I am just curious about having a better picture of what you think is going on. The questions on my mind are:

1-Why did he recoil?
2-Why did she take her time with him? (And also, where did this point come from? Because he said that he was in her office for just a few minutes)
3-What about it was spiritual/demonic?
4-What do you mean when you say that people play with such powerful fire? (This is the type of cryptic statement I'm talking about.)
5-What makes it a big deal and a big set up?
6-What does it mean to "set someone up?"

I hope the numbering is okay. It's mostly for me to keep track.

1. He recoiled because of the Holy Spirit's (HS) warning and it was like bells going off. The bible says God doesn't like sharing space, etc with the demonic. And Crumpet's spirit was shouting "Danger Will Robinson!" Also, the office meet up was a set up of some sort. I've honestly been thinking a lot about it. This is the beginning of something. It may be short term, it may be long term. I don't know.

2. She took her time with him (whether it be an extra minute or whatever) because the spiritual battle that was going on dictated it. She likely had NO CLUE she was being used. Most worldly people are puppets that we used. Even more so, the enemy uses them like crazy. Humans are sooooo easy to manipulate. Psychologically yes, but ESPECIALLY spiritually. We are natural spiritual beings FIRST.

3. Just about everything was spiritual. My discernment tells me that this is the beginning of something for you Crumpet. And that's why I wanted to know how "new" you are. It will tell me a lot. I'm not going to judge you or pull you apart. I'm going to offer you some advice from someone who has worked for both spiritual sides.

To know for sure, I'd have to be in that woman's presence to know if she was anything other than a "muggle". I think she was used in that particular spiritual battle because she was handy. You, Crumpet, for you to be attacked like were tells me a lot too. Honestly, it's why I jumped on this thread to begin with. A paper hand off or signing or 3 minute interaction shouldn't have made your spirit want to bolt. It shouldn't have made you want to heave. The air shouldn't have been so charged that you thought you were going to fall over.

She's most likely into "small" things like horoscopes or taro or things like that. But it's a door nonetheless.

4. Powerful fire. The world and Christians alike play with fire, more so the world, but still... Christians, the church, have LOTS of witchcraft in their lives. Their language, in their practices, in their thought patterns. It's everywhere. I expect it in the world. But it shouldn't be in the church. I gave my testimony at church once and a lady came up to me. She asked if she should stop reading her horoscope in the paper. She told me that it was okay, that it wasn't any big deal. I looked at her and told her that she needed to stop reading her horoscope immediately. That it was a big deal. That she hadn't listened to me at all. She was offended and stormed off. That's what I'm talking about. We live in a spiritual world, we are spiritual beings. We feel immortal because we ARE immortal. It's like having a fire pit in your living room. You build a fire and hope it's going to be okay if you leave for work. Maybe it will and maybe it won't. Eventually that house is going to burn down.

5. It's a big deal because you're new Crumpet, and because of who you are. And because of who you're supposed to be. I'm going to leave this one cryptic. Specifically because of people on this site, and I'm not sure how much I should say. But I'll say this. Crumpet, if you continue to follow Christ, and you continue you put yourself out there, no hiding from people, no locking yourself away because it's easier and less painful, if you run after God the way you really want to, you'll look back on this one day and it will all click.

6. To set someone up spiritually is like setting someone up physically. Except the ramifications are... more intense. Men are easy to set up. It revolves around sex and power (money, usually). Even sex is currency. But it's mostly sex. Think about it. If a Christian man has a ministry, how does it usually fall? It's because of sex. That set up isn't his idea. That was done spiritually. Again, Satan is alive and kickin. Him and his cronies used people like me and soooooo many others who HATED you guys to do all kinds of stuff. Granted, there are/were much bigger players out there than me, but still, it's the same stuff just bigger. Most players don't even know they're being used. Anyway, Christians are set up to be destroyed, and God uses it for training, for good, for his glory.


Please ask anything you want. I shouldn't have been vague. If you need me to answer anything here, let me know.

 

[GrumpyCrumpet]

First of all, thank you for replying and answering the questions. I'll put myself out there a little and maybe it will give you some more insight which could lead to useful advice.

I've only been a dues-paying Christian for about a year, but have been studying Christianity as an academic pursuit for years prior to that. I started studying "faith" in general after I had a really powerful physical/spiritual experience where I had what could only be a spontaneous Kundalini awakening. It was like a switch got flipped and I started reading and researching, and was always pointed towards Christianity while doing it even though I wasn't consciously aware of it. I prayed for the first time, to God, when my Dad got really sick last Fall and was hospitalized, and to my shock, I got a discernible answer, and when I challenged that which spoke to me in the name of Jesus Christ, it did not recoil from me and instead became much more pronounced. My acceptance of Christ was very easy, but I am still very "young" in the faith and I am trying to find my way through the minefield that modern Christianity seems to be.

I regularly have very vivid, very religious themed dreams. I won't go into a lot of that right now because you know what people say - A man who talks to God is religious, but a man who hears God speak is a loon.

 

[yureason]

If I may, and I don't mean to be rude, but the last 2 posts, 41 and 42,
sound like alot of spiritual mumbojumbo and manipulation,
but not christian at all.

It seems very vague with secretive language,
like only the initiated would understand, very occultish.
Are you sure that what's going on here isn't just
playing a dangerous game
with two sides of the same counterfeit coin?

And again, I'm being sincere,
not trying to be sarcastic or insulting in any way.

 

[DuchessAimee]

Welcome to the family! Christianity is... well, I'll be honest. The people suck, but our God is awesome, mighty, magnificent, holy. I could go on and on. The people suck because of sin. The human soul is the one thing that can't evolve naturally. We NEED Christ. He's the only thing that causes us to change.


And for you freaked out readers, I'm talking about MICROEVOLUTION. Which does exist. It's the macro that's iffy.



Anyway!


Since you shared, so will I. I was a witch for about 12 years, and I come from around 16 generations of witchcraft. It's on both sides on of my family, but mostly on my dad's. Actually, it's a huge deal on my dad's side. My mom raised me in church, but while some would say I found witchcraft at a young age, I say that witchcraft found me at nine years old. I still remember the moment too. However, even more importantly, I remember when Jesus found me. Like you, it was very obvious because I asked him to be! I asked him to manifest something I couldn't, so he did. Weather. It started raining over the car I was in out of a clear blue desert sky. Here's the kicker... Over just my car. lol, it still makes me laugh!


God speaks to us how he chooses to. Don't let anyone tell you that God "doesn't operate" that way anymore. Scripture says that God doesn't change. My gifting is discernment among a few other things. As you grow in Christ, so will your spiritual gifts. It sounds as though you're learning that already.


Romans (my personal favorite) is doctrine 101. A lot of questions can be answered in that book. If you haven't read it, it's another suggestion.



I'm so glad God directed me to CC again. I took a long break, but this thread was totally worth coming back for.

 

[GrumpyCrumpet]

I love God to pieces, but I could take or leave most self-proclaimed Christians. There are some good ones, but there are a whole lot of doctrine-thumping hypocrites too. Not really different than any other group. I hope some day I'll understand what about humans is so lovable that Christ was willing to take on all their sins as a final sacrifice - I wouldn't help 99.999% of people in the world change a flat tire. I've never been in love, so I'm not really in a position to know, but I also can't see humanity as The Creator does. I am merely human with a human level of understanding.

 

[DuchessAimee]

I love God to pieces, but I could take or leave most self-proclaimed Christians. There are some good ones, but there are a whole lot of doctrine-thumping hypocrites too. Not really different than any other group. I hope some day I'll understand what about humans is so lovable that Christ was willing to take on all their sins as a final sacrifice - I wouldn't help 99.999% of people in the world change a flat tire. I've never been in love, so I'm not really in a position to know, but I also can't see humanity as The Creator does. I am merely human with a human level of understanding.

Yep, I totally get that. I'm not a fan of people either. However, there are many times, and I'm sure there will be many more, where God will make my Grinch heart expand to love a few more people. According to Myers-Briggs personality profile, I'm an INTJ. We're the evil masterminds, the one's with no soul. Think of who I was before Jesus. His love does things to you.

 

[yureason]

Soo, there's at least 8 ppl on this thread now,
but it seems to be a private convo between 2 witches?
You're slamming the body of Christ for being hypochrites,
while setting yourselves up as superior in spirituality,
discernment and secret insight. Hmmmm. Say it ain't so.

 

[DuchessAimee]

Soo, there's at least 8 ppl on this thread now,
but it seems to be a private convo between 2 witches?
You're slamming the body of Christ for being hypochrites,
while setting yourselves up as superior in spirituality,
discernment and secret insight. Hmmmm. Say it ain't so.

With all due respect, you have no idea what you're talking about. Furthermore, we've both been saved by the blood of the Lamb. You're reading and believing what you want to because of fear and lack of education.

So yeah, I'm sayin it ain't so.

 

[DuchessAimee]

But ya know, I can't speak for Crumpet, but I don't care whether you think I'm saved or not. God knows where I stand with him. That's what matters. However, this is why neither one of us wanted to share a part of our testimonies. People like you come on here and say we're not saved. You're part of the church I have a problem with, and it grieves me.

 

[GrumpyCrumpet]

But ya know, I can't speak for Crumpet, but I don't care whether you think I'm saved or not. God knows where I stand with him. That's what matters. However, this is why neither one of us wanted to share a part of our testimonies. People like you come on here and say we're not saved. You're part of the church I have a problem with, and it grieves me.

Ah, there's got to be somebody in every thread that has to be the turd in the punchbowl. If whats-his-name wants to think ill of me, then that's his problem. I will say to him "bless your heart" and give it not another thought.

 

[yureason]

I love God to pieces, but I could take or leave most self-proclaimed Christians. There are some good ones, but there are a whole lot of doctrine-thumping hypocrites too. Not really different than any other group. I hope some day I'll understand what about humans is so lovable that Christ was willing to take on all their sins as a final sacrifice - I wouldn't help 99.999% of people in the world change a flat tire.I've never been in love, so I'm not really in a position to know, but I also can't see humanity as The Creator does. I am merely human with a human level of understanding.

You set yourself up as being apart from and superior to humans and wouldn't help 99% of people,
and you have the nerve to call anyone else a turd?!
Jesus must be so proud. I guess mirrors really DON'T work.

Yep, I totally get that. I'm not a fan of people either. However, there are many times, and I'm sure there will be many more, where God will make my Grinch heart expand to love a few more people. According to Myers-Briggs personality profile, I'm an INTJ. We're the evil masterminds, the one's with no soul. Think of who I was before Jesus. His love does things to you.

You showed alot of it my way when you stepped right over me, and then wrote the following.....

But ya know, I can't speak for Crumpet, but I don't care whether you think I'm saved or not. God knows where I stand with him. That's what matters. However, this is why neither one of us wanted to share a part of our testimonies. People like you come on here and say we're not saved. You're part of the church I have a problem with, and it grieves me.

People like me?!
Why don't you address them?
I never said you weren't saved,
if someone else did, take it up with them,
but you don't need to imply lies about me.

As far as you having a problem with the church,
you're a fine example. You claim you and your
family are from a long line of witchcraft, who knows
what kind of damage was done, and perhaps is still
being done, and suddenly you're an expert judge of
other christians?

All I did was ask an honest question as politely as I could,
yous chose to ignore it and have a private chat, not helping
other christians with it,
(not that you're interested in helping others).

The body of Christ is made up of all kinds of ppl
many of us struggling along and doing the best
we can in a fallen world, at all different stages of growth.
Maybe you might want to take the broomstick out of
your own eye before condemning a splinter in others?
Bless your heart?

 

[CatHerder]

Soo, there's at least 8 ppl on this thread now,
but it seems to be a private convo between 2 witches?
You're slamming the body of Christ for being hypochrites,
while setting yourselves up as superior in spirituality,
discernment and secret insight. Hmmmm. Say it ain't so.

This is an open thread, hardly a "private convo." Anyone who registered can join in at anytime. If no one else contributed to this thread for a while, it is hardly the fault of these two.

And it's pretty harsh to call them witches. They are new creations, redeemed by the blood of the lamb. Would you call a believer who has been delivered from alcoholism, drug addiction, or sexual immorality a drunkard? A junkie? A slut?
Why would you treat someone who has been delivered from witchcraft any differently?Especially since this sin is scattered all over the Bible, we should take it a bit more seriously, and how the attached philosophies are translated into our postmodern world. The Bible warns of its dangers, so we shouldn't just poo-poo it as mumbo jumbo.

Perhaps there are other explanations for the account in the OP. But I would not dismiss what Aimee said because we may not understand it. She can be very discerning. A couple of years ago here in CC, she and I (I have been delivered from New Age beliefs and some of the "lighter" practices she has mentioned) were the only ones to challenge a member who was pomoting some very subtle but ungodly concepts. I won't get into everything this member was saying, but not everyone agreed with us...until he became more overt in his statements and got himself banned.

 

[Jak795]

But ya know, I can't speak for Crumpet, but I don't care whether you think I'm saved or not. God knows where I stand with him. That's what matters. However, this is why neither one of us wanted to share a part of our testimonies. People like you come on here and say we're not saved. You're part of the church I have a problem with, and it grieves me.

Yeah, there is going to be one judgmental user here that think he/she speaks on behalf of God. I wouldn't let it get to you. People have spoken ill about me in church, I just shrug it off and move on. My pastor even said "Who cares what they think. You being right with the Lord matters."

 

[Jak795]

I love God to pieces, but I could take or leave most self-proclaimed Christians. There are some good ones, but there are a whole lot of doctrine-thumping hypocrites too. Not really different than any other group. I hope some day I'll understand what about humans is so lovable that Christ was willing to take on all their sins as a final sacrifice - I wouldn't help 99.999% of people in the world change a flat tire. I've never been in love, so I'm not really in a position to know, but I also can't see humanity as The Creator does. I am merely human with a human level of understanding.

Your picture is awesome.

 

[yureason]

Right. THEY judged ME!
And said about christianity, 'The people suck'.
And spouted superiority over the body of Christ.
And called themselves witches first.
And ignored my first question, and kept having
their private two-way convo. Sure...join in...we'll ignore you.
Blatant., man. You defend this?
I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ as my God and Saviour.
If that doesn't make me a brother in Christ,
I don't know what does, but the treatment here
makes me wonder what spirit is behind their judgementalism.

 

[DuchessAimee]

Right. THEY judged ME!
And said about christianity, 'The people suck'.
And spouted superiority over the body of Christ.
And called themselves witches first.
And ignored my first question, and kept having
their private two-way convo. Sure...join in...we'll ignore you.
Blatant., man. You defend this?
I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ as my God and Saviour.
If that doesn't make me a brother in Christ,
I don't know what does, but the treatment here
makes me wonder what spirit is behind their judgementalism.

Look, I can understand why you've decided to become offended. But if you go back to you original comment you basically told me my life's experience and what the bible says about witchcraft as nonsense. You're obviously conservative and your experience is null. And that's God's choice for you. However, I instead of assuming what you've been taught ( self and otherwise) is correct, how about reading the bible? Do some research on it.

I'm saying this in a nonaggressive way. I'm coming to you in a kind way. In a non BDF way. Please, in the future, do not come to me or my cohorts with a spirit of hostility, assumption, or division again.


I didn't respond to your original comment because I knew where you were going with it. I knew the explosion pattern before you did. I attempted to stop the damage. Silly me.

Once again, I cannot and will not speak for Crumpet. He's able to do that for himself. But he didn't call himself a witch. EVER. This tells me you're looking for things to fight about, you're misreading purposefully, and actually darlin, you're proving my points.


If you want to have an actual debate with scripture, and not the BDF nonsense that you've pulled, great. And again, my tone of voice isn't inflammatory. But I'll tell you right now, you'll lose, because my past aside, the bible has a lot to say about magic, witchcraft, demons, spiritual warfare, etc.

I suggest we end things here because we both know you don't want to talk about scripture. You want to talk about how offended you are, and you'd rather assume instead of understand. So instead of being upset and jealous you weren't "in the know", let's just drop it.


This ought to go over well.

 

[GrumpyCrumpet]

Amy, thank you for your input. I appreciate your perspective and it has been helpful to me to make sense of what was a very confusing situation. I'd be happy to speak with you further about this, but this thread has run it's course and I don't know about you, but I'm not keen to engage the 50-year old troll in debate, so I'm going to call this thread concluded.

 

[Grace-Like-Rain]

Right. THEY judged ME!
And said about christianity, 'The people suck'.
And spouted superiority over the body of Christ.
And called themselves witches first.
And ignored my first question, and kept having
their private two-way convo. Sure...join in...we'll ignore you.
Blatant., man. You defend this?
I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ as my God and Saviour.
If that doesn't make me a brother in Christ,
I don't know what does, but the treatment here
makes me wonder what spirit is behind their judgementalism.

I know Aimee personally, and can attest to her honest character and her deep love for Jesus Christ. In Aimee, we are given a unique gift, because she has been called out of that wicked lifestyle, and can show us the dangers of things we know nothing about. Things we didn't know even existed. Personally, I am more comfortable believing they don't exist, but they do. The Bible speaks of it. Aimee has LIVED it. So her accounts are pretty stinkin' scary, but at the same time, we need to pay attention. I'm still uncomfortable, but also grateful that she would speak about these things in a world where she knows most won't accept what she's even implying.

It REALLY takes us out of our comfort zone to hear someone speak so plainly about dark spiritual matters. I know it does for me. We don't know how to respond. We don't know what to say, or what to believe. But we do need to be careful, because I can promise you that there's a lot more going on in this world spiritually than any of us are aware of. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places. (Eph 6:12)

 

[Stephen63]

W o o o w..... while millions of christians are being destroyed for lack of knowledge, it seems like the only gift everybody has or wants is discernment..... *sheesh*



 

[yureason]

Your assumption that I was offended is not true.
Your boasting about discernment is misguided at best.
I never made light of scripture nor the deviltry involved,
my initial question was prompted by your dialogue in posts 41-42,
which had little scripture but alot of hidden language mumbojumbo
bordering on the occult and displaying an air of superior spirituality.

I understand your paranoia based on the past you claim,
but after first ignoring me, you then didn't address my concerns as much as
where you 'could see into the future' based on your past experiences.

That's a shame, but you still trashed most of the body of Christ and set yourself up as an arrogant judge, and if that is based on your interaction with other christians, that is also a shame but I understand it, but the broadbrushed judgement and skepticism that is rampant these days almost always lands on the wrong person...we all really need to do a better job of curbing that, for Jesus' sake.

Father in heaven, please forgive all of us that take a first-response
negative posture against our brothers and sisters on this site.
Help us all to do a better job of encouraging each other
into a closer relationship with you and each other as we see
your day approaching.
And Lord, if there are those here that are deliberately
causing strife, and have no other agenda but to cause
divisions among us, and build themselves up while
putting others down, help us, as believers in Jesus,
to all have greater discernment, but seasoned
with grace and love in Jesus' name. Amen.