the two witnesses are God the Father and the Holy Spirit

PilgrimPassingThru · Apr 7, 2016

I like these also, where the LORD says,

Jerm 23:29 Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD

Jerm 5:14 Wherefore thus saith the LORD God of hosts, Because ye speak this word, behold, I will make my words in thy mouth fire, and this people wood, and it shall devour them.

And then we see here

Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

Slain means killed (even as it is done so here in this manner)

Hosea 6:5 Therefore have I hewed them by the prophets; I have slain them by the words of my mouth: and thy judgments are as the light that goeth forth.

PilgrimPassingThru · Apr 7, 2016

PilgrimPassingThru said:

The same could be shown similarly this way

Exodus 23:32 But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.

And so again, any one who is not against you is on our part, its of any trying to hurt them

Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

Which speaks to the "actual manner" they must be killed, being killed with the words of His mouth

Ahwatukee · Apr 7, 2016

badger58 said:

For one, there is no scripture to support that the two witnesses are God the Father and the Holy Spirit. Also, Jesus was not just supernaturally changed into a human being, but had to become a human by being born in order to be our kinsman redeemer.

"But after the three and a half days the breath[SUP] [/SUP] of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and terror struck those who saw them."

"And I will appoint my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.” They are “the two olive trees” and the two lampstands, and “they stand before the Lord of the earth.”[SUP][/SUP]

If God the Father and the Holy Spirit were the two witnesses, it would mean that God would be breathing life into himself. How could the two witnesses stand before the Lord of the earth and at the same time, be the Lord of the earth? Is God standing in front of himself? These two witnesses are obviously true men and could not possibly be God the Father and the Holy Spirit. The most likely candidates as the two witnesses are Enoch and Elijah who never died. God may have taken them for the very purpose of using them in the future as those two witnesses, where they are finally killed and then resurrected 3 1/2 days later, which by the way, makes them apart of the first resurrection.

badger58 · Apr 7, 2016

Magenta said:

Magenta,
Have you ever seen one of those picture within a picture deal. You see only one picture until you are told to look for another picture within that picture. Then it appears. That's the best analogy I can think of. Are you aware that Hebrew names mean something? In Hebrew Elijah means:MY GOD IS JEHOVAH. I believe its possible to understand this prophecy in this way. When asked by his deciples: Why do the scribes and the Pharisees say that Elijah comes before the messiah? Jesus said truly Elijah does come first. What if he was saying" My God Jehovah is coming before my second coming. Before he ascended to heaven, he said I go to myGod and your God, to my Father and your Father. There's alot more but consider that for now. Peace

phil112 · Apr 7, 2016

badger58 said:

Okay, I'll be perfectly honest. I only just now clicked on this thread, and when I saw the last post I had to read the first, since I knew it was the same poster.
Now let me get this straight: the OP posits a solution to a prophecy hidden from men for eons, but has no real clue how to explain something simple.
I ain't lyin', I find that highly amusing.

badger58 · Apr 7, 2016

phil112 said:

You will know them by there fruit.
Its very easy to discern the difference between Bereans and Pharisees. Unable to reason through through the scripture. You do reveal yourself. Do you not see. I'm only looking for Bereans.

badger58 · Apr 7, 2016

badger58 said:

Pharisees always use the same tactic, ridicule,insults and a closed mind. That is not how Bereans act.

badger58 · Apr 7, 2016

abcdef said:

God bless you brother,
Have you considered that in the vision given Zechariah, that the two olive trees are the source of the oil? When I first came soon this vision, I was praying that God would reveal the triune nature of the Godhead. I thought it would have to be hidden in the old testament. Jesus often went to the mount of olives to pray. He receives his power through The Father and the Holy Spirit. Mary asked how she was to give birth. Answer: The Holy Spirit would come apon her and the Most High would over shadow her.

wolfwint · Apr 8, 2016

Magenta said:

Well, Magneta, John the baptist denied himself to be Eliah (John 1,21) And if he would literal Eliah then he must be a reincarnation of Eliah (means both are one person/one soul). I am convinced to meat both Eliah and John the baptist in heaven. We read in Luke 1,17 that John will go before Jesus in the spirit and in the Power of Eliah. So it can be said in a picture sense that John was Eliah, but not in literal sense.
Also John cant be the fulfillment from Maleachi 3,23, because this day of the Lord has not come till now. But he will come after what we read about the two witness in revelation 11. For me in my weakness more understandable then all other theories about who are the 2 witnesses.

KJV1611 · Apr 8, 2016

badger58 said:

Zechariah 4 says it's the word of the Lord... Old Testament New Testament.

InSpiritInTruth · Apr 8, 2016

God the Fathers 2 anointed witnesses are His Word and Spirit, which are in all his anointed saints. (Christ in us)

In Revelation 11:3-4 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

Many believe the 2 witnesses, 2 Olive trees, 2 candlesticks are 2 single individual men like Moses and Elijah. But when you understand the time of 1,260 days to be symbolic, then perhaps you’ll search it out. I will give you scriptural proof just who these 2 anointed witnesses are, if you can receive it.

Notice in Zechariah the two Olive trees feed the Oil to the two candlesticks, which in turn lighten His 7 lamps. Zechariah 4:12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?

And if we back up we’ll see the bigger picture of this, and even the answer to Zechariah’s question, who these 2 truly are?

Zechariah 4:1-6 “And the angel that talked with me came again, and waked me, as a man that is wakened out of his sleep. 2 And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof:3 And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof.4 So I answered and spake to the angel that talked with me, saying, What are these, my lord?5 Then the angel that talked with me answered and said unto me, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.
6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the Lord unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the Lord of hosts.”

The angel answered Zechariahs question as to who these were, but Zechariah missed it because he asks the angel again in verse 12, and the angel once again tells him these are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.

And these 2 anointed ones are Gods Word and Spirit, which feed the Oil (Spirit) to the 7 lamps.

But let’s take this mystery step by step …

First notice the two olive branches feed the oil to the 7 pipes, which light the 7 lamps. (Zech 4:2)
Then notice in Zech 4:10 the angel tells Zechariah that those 7 lamps are the 7 eyes of the Lord.

Zechariah 4:10 “For who hath despised the day of small things? for they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel with those seven; they are the eyes of the Lord, which run to and fro through the whole earth.”

But before I go any further let me say this for sure, there is no flesh and blood man, or men who is in control of, or even feeds the Oil (Holy Spirit) to the 7 eyes of the Lord.

Notice here the 7 lamps are shown as the 7 spirits of God (7 eyes of the Lord)
Revelation 4:5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.

Now here again we are shown the 7 eyes (same as the 7 lamps, which are the 7 spirits of God)

Zechariah 3:9 “For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the LORD of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.”

And again we see the angel talking about those 7 lamps (7 eyes / 7 spirits of God) whom the 2 anointed feed the Oil (Spirit) into.

Zechariah 4:10 “For who hath despised the day of small things? for they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel with those seven; they are the eyes of the LORD, which run to and fro through the whole earth.”

And then finally we see the One stone (Precious Stone/Rock) on which those 7 eyes (7 spirits of God) would be in Revelation 5:6 “And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.”

So you see it is the Lord's Word and Spirit (2 anointed ones) that feed the oil to lighten the 7 lamps ( 7 eyes / 7 spirits of God) And who bears witness in heaven? The Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit. And here we see the One stone that would bear witness of Himself (Word) along with the Fathers (Spirit) who would also bear witness of Him.

John 8:18 “I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.” And those who are born of Him, also have this same witness dwelling in themselves. 1 John 5:10 “He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: “

Jesus Christ is the true and faithful witness that dwells in all his anointed saints, and that is how the Father speaks to the world, by Christ in us, or God’s Word and Spirit in us. We see this in Isaiah 59:21 “As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the Lord; My spirit that is upon thee, and mywords which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the Lord, from henceforth and for ever.”

These are those who have the testimony of Jesus Christ in them, for the testimony of Jesus Christ is the Spirit of prophecy.

InSpiritInTruth · Apr 8, 2016

Notice how the Lord destroys those who hurt his saints who have his witness in them.....

Revelation 11:5
And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

Here is the answer to this mystery.....

Jeremiah 5:14
Wherefore thus saith the Lord God of hosts, Because ye speak this word, behold, I will make my words in thy mouth fire, and this people wood, and it shall devour them.

The book of Revelation is very symbolic, and one needs to pay close attention to the wording because that is where you will find the clues you need in other parts of scripture to unlock the mystery. But it is only by the Holy Spirit one can receive this understanding. God's 2 witnesses are in all his saints, it is the bodies of the saints that are laying in the streets. Just as God's saints are referred to in scripture as the "holy city" and as Zion. Notice the wording....

Revelation 11:7-9 "And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. (war against the saints who have the testimony of Jesus Christ)[SUP]8 [/SUP]And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

[SUP]9 [/SUP]And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves."

Now compare to the wording here.....

Isaiah 51:16-23
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And I have put my words in thy mouth, and I have covered thee in the shadow of mine hand, that I may plant the heavens, and lay the foundations of the earth, and say unto Zion, Thou art my people.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Awake, awake, stand up, O Jerusalem, which hast drunk at the hand of the Lord the cup of his fury; thou hast drunken the dregs of the cup of trembling, and wrung them out.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]There is none to guide her among all the sons whom she hath brought forth; neither is there any that taketh her by the hand of all the sons that she hath brought up.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]These two things are come unto thee; who shall be sorry for thee? desolation, and destruction, and the famine, and the sword: by whom shall I comfort thee?
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Thy sons have fainted, they lie at the head of all the streets, as a wild bull in a net: they are full of the fury of the Lord, the rebuke of thy God.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Therefore hear now this, thou afflicted, and drunken, but not with wine:
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Thus saith thy Lord the Lord, and thy God that pleadeth the cause of his people, Behold, I have taken out of thine hand the cup of trembling, even the dregs of the cup of my fury; thou shalt no more drink it again:

[SUP]23 [/SUP]But I will put it into the hand of them that afflict thee; which have said to thy soul, Bow down, that we may go over: and thou hast laid thy body as the ground, and as the street, to them that went over."

Notice above God calls his people Zion, and Jerusalem (holy city), and they lie in the streets, and then God tells them to awake as in resurrection, like the bodies of the 2 witnesses in the streets. Now notice the wording again....

Revelation 11:11
And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

Compare....

Hosea 6:2
After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight."

Again compare....

Revelation 11:9 "And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

Psalm 79:2-3 "The dead bodies of thy servants have they given to be meat unto the fowls of the heaven, the flesh of thy saints unto the beasts of the earth.[SUP]3 [/SUP]Their blood have they shed like water round about Jerusalem; and there was none to bury them."

InSpiritInTruth · Apr 8, 2016

In the book of Revelation we are shown a mystery of the Lords 2 witnesses, which are God’s 2 anointed ones. Revelation 11:4 “These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.”

This mystery is also shown here in Zechariah 4:12-14“And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?[SUP]13 [/SUP]And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.[SUP]14 [/SUP]Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.”

The 2 anointed witnesses of God the Father are His Word and Spirit, just as God the Father anointed His Son with the Oil of gladness. Psalm 45:7 “Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.”

The golden Oil feeding the lamps to Light them is God’s Spirit, just as the anointing Oil of God’s Spirit illuminates our eyes of understanding. The Lord shows this symbolism in many different parts of scripture. So let’s explore…
Exodus 25:31 “And thou shalt make a candlestick of pure gold: of beaten work shall the candlestick be made: his shaft, and his branches, his bowls, his knops, and his flowers, shall be of the same.”

Now concerning the Branch (His shaft) and the True Vine, and also the Root of the Olive Tree which supplies the Life blood (Oil to Light) to the 7 spirits.

Concerning the BRANCH…..
Zechariah 6:12 “And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the Lord of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The Branch; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the Lord:”

Concerning the Vine…
John 15:1 “I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
John 15:4 “Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.”

And now for the Life source (ROOT) of the good Olive tree……
Romans 11:16-24 “For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.[SUP]17 [/SUP]And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;[SUP]18 [/SUP]Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.[SUP]20 [/SUP]Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:[SUP]21 [/SUP]For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.[SUP]22 [/SUP]Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.”
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.[SUP]24 [/SUP]For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?”

Now back to the metaphor of the candlesticks, and notice who is in the midst of the 7, like Oil is in the midst of the golden shaft feeding the lamps Light.

Revelation 1:12….”And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;[SUP]13 [/SUP]And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.”……….[SUP]20 [/SUP]The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.” (churches like branches on the Vine)

The 7 stars=angels=spirits of God are also fueled by the golden oil of God’s Spirit, as is written in Hebrews 1:7 “And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.”

Continued next....

InSpiritInTruth · Apr 8, 2016

A shadow of the 7 lamps is also shown here…

Exodus 25:37 “And thou shalt make the seven lamps thereof: and they shall light the lamps thereof, that they may give light over against it.”

Keep in mind Aaron was also a similitude of our High Priest Jesus Christ…
Numbers 8:2 “Speak unto Aaron and say unto him, When thou lightest the lamps, the seven lamps shall give light over against the candlestick.”

The golden oil of God’s Spirit is in the midst of the golden pipes to feed the light to the 7 lamps, just as Jesus is the Light of the world.

Revelation 2:1 “Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;

Candle sticks can be removed or put out from the Life of the Oil extinguishing the Light in it, this is known as quenching the Spirit. Just like branches can be removed from the Life blood of the Vine, and wither and die. Again examples of this….

Revelation 2:5 “Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.”

And again in Romans 11:19-22 [SUP]“[/SUP]Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.[SUP]20 [/SUP]Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:[SUP]21 [/SUP]For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.[SUP]22 [/SUP]Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.”

Same shown here…..

John 15:5 [SUP]“[/SUP]I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. [SUP]6 [/SUP]If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.”

InSpiritInTruth · Apr 8, 2016

We are told in Daniel that the little horn called “it”= spirit of a lie would cast the truth to the ground and also make war with the saints, and that many of the saints would be overcome and even killed until the time of the end. This war is not only physical against the saints but is also the spiritual war that is also spoken of in scripture. This is also shown in the flood of persecution and of lies that would come out of the mouth of the Serpent trying to overtake the seed of the woman (Jerusalem) or saints.

Now let’s compare prophecy…..

Revelation 11:7 “And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.”

Notice this is the same language used when the spirit of a lie=little horn=tail of the Red Dragon= spirit of antichrist working in a host would make war on the saints, and also prevail, wear out, overcome, and even kill many of the saints….

Daniel 7:21
I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;"

"And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High,”

Red Dragon gives him his power….
[SUP]
24 [/SUP]And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.= saints being killed

[SUP]33 [/SUP]And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days. (notice many days)
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.[SUP]35 [/SUP]And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed."

Now what I want you to notice in the above and also in the prophecy in Isaiah below is how God said he would pour out his fury on his people Jerusalem for a time, which speaks of the “days of vengeance”Jesus said would start right after the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple= abomination of desolation= starting point of tribulation of “those days” which is to the Jews first as written. But notice the words in red in verse 33 and compare to Isaiah below in verse 19.

Isaiah 51:16-23 "AndI have put my words in thy mouth, and I have covered thee in the shadow of mine hand, that I may plant the heavens, and lay the foundations of the earth, and say unto Zion, Thou art my people.[SUP]17 [/SUP]Awake, awake, stand up, O Jerusalem, which hast drunk at the hand of the Lord the cup of his fury; thou hast drunken the dregs of the cup of trembling, and wrung them out.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]There is none to guide her among all the sons whom she hath brought forth; neither is there any that taketh her by the hand of all the sons that she hath brought up.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]These two things are come unto thee; who shall be sorry for thee? desolation, and destruction, and the famine, and the sword: by whom shall I comfort thee?
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Thy sons have fainted, they lie at the head of all the streets, as a wild bull in a net: they are full of the fury of the Lord, the rebuke of thy God.”

[SUP]22 [/SUP]Thus saith thy Lord the Lord, and thy God that pleadeth the cause of his people, Behold, I have taken out of thine hand the cup of trembling, even the dregs of the cup of my fury; thou shalt no more drink it again:[SUP]23 [/SUP]But I will put it into the hand of them that afflict thee; which have said to thy soul, Bow down, that we may go over: and thou hast laid thy body as the ground, and as the street, to them that went over."

And then above we again see the sign of God’s saints dead bodies laid in the street, and also shown below…

Revelation 11:8
And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

badger58 · Apr 8, 2016

wolfwint said:

When the time came for the Christ to appear, God did not look on the earth for a good man to draft. He Knew from the foundation of the world, that only God was qualified for the office. The two witnesses are going to be on display for the entire world to see, think about that. More media than Jesus, a bigger stage to act on, more power displayed. It's hard for me to understand how two human beings or what other theory that people have. Does not make sense to me. To me, it seems logical to see Moses and Aaron as a type, a movie on the small screen. Every thing is stepped up, it on a much grander scale. Satan has his final dream team. God is going to one up him. The two witnesses will melt mountains topple governments, dry up rivers and oceans. Lead a second exodus, and all the while preach the gospel to a rebellious world for 3 1/2 years. Same amount of time Jesus preached.

InSpiritInTruth · Apr 8, 2016

Now more confirmation of when the war on the saints started, who have the testimony of Jesus Christ. This started right after the man child Jesus was caught up to heaven, and the woman (Jerusalem) fled into the wilderness.

Revelation 12:15 “And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.”

Revelation 12:17 “And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 13:7“And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.”

Again same with the 2 witnesses…
Revelation 11:7 “And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.”

So you a host given to the Prince of this world to make war against the saints by reason of transgression, and there is also a war against the Truth, as God’s Word is Truth…

Daniel 8:12 “And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.” =lies would prosper for a time.”

But in the end the Lamb would overcome them…..

Revelation 17:13-14 "These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful."

And unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

notuptome · Apr 8, 2016

Some other guy in another thread has the two witnesses and the Eastern Roman Catholic church and the Western Greek Orthodox church or something like that so go figure. Never a shortage of speculation according to mans wisdom. Of course that is foolishness to God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

badger58 · Apr 8, 2016

notuptome said:

I understand why the Pharisees could not receive new wine in old wine skins. How they rejected the Lord because of jealousy. It's clear that the twelve deciples had a different spirit. The internet is the ultimate market place for idea's, some good, some bad.what is the chaff to the wheat? We must strive to have the mind of Christ. If our heart is in the right place,our Father will keep us. Let the word of God be true and every man a liar. The sheep know the shepherds voice. Peace

KJV1611 · Apr 8, 2016

badger58 said:

I understand why the Pharisees could not receive new wine in old wine skins. How they rejected the Lord because of jealousy. It's clear that the twelve deciples had a different spirit. The internet is the ultimate market place for idea's, some good, some bad.what is the chaff to the west? We must strive to have the mind of Christ. If our heart is in the right place,our Father will keep us. Let the word of God be true and every man a liar. The sheep know the shepherds voice. Peace

We don't have to strive to have the mind of Christ, we get that when we're born again.

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