Take The Ten Commandments

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JaumeJ

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I see someone is asking about righteous indignation.

I must remind all of the Scripture, "Be angry, but do not sin." This is a reference to righteous indignation. I have yet to condemn anyone in my mind , heart or soul, but I am not an idiot either. I believe Jesus Christ, and I see how His wteachings have been very much changed by denominational foundations in place of His Word..........

I am sorry some have never heard of this scripture, but righteous indignation is fitting for any who believe when they observe apostasy in progress. God bless that all know this, amen.


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Since we all seem to suffer from that one, my guess is "patience." (I will always blame it on patience, because I always feel I've got none. lol)
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JaumeJ said:
Here is a sparkling example which I have posted before. When the Holy Spirit entered into me I understood with the entry the message that everything is going to be jsut fine. It was not in words, but the understanding came as such. As for my not cutting and pasting a lot, recently my increasing blindness took a slight leap, and certain tasks have become difficult if not painful, therefore I rely on the Holy Spirit. Of course I always have since I received dJesus Christ as my salvation. Please, if you need chapter and verse numbers, keep in mind the Apostles and new believers taught each other the Good News without the benefit off what is become the New TEstament, yet they taught the entire known world about it until at least a century. God is the same with His children today as He always has been once they come to His dear feet in praise and worship. God bless you.

In the Psalm, later, I read how God speakes throughtout this world and all hear, there are not words etc.
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Again, I would rather share a few words with understanding by the Holy Spirit thatn to bore people ith endless cutting and pasting. The Internet is full of that, sometimes it is good, but of times it becomes very repititious and without direction or meaning.
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It was all just a suggestion. Do it your way.
 
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JaumeJ said:
My post, the OP, is stressing the wisdom of God's will. It is not being under the law, and it is not being under licentious grace.

As for my English, perhaps it is not perfect, but it is quite clear, with all its faults.

Just try the exercise in understanding the wisdom of God, and not the decisions of men without understanding this wisdom.
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Why did the JESUS give us only two commandments In the new testament.All the law and the prophets are summed up In one word "love".

Under grace,we establish the law.

Some say,that they are trying to keep the "10"commandments but then they say I am also under grace.

I don't think there Is any other way to see your post above except to see it as focusing on the believer understanding GOD's wisdom by the the "ten" commandments and under the "ten" the person would have to leave grace and embrace the law Instead of giving GOD the credit.

Only JESUS could keep the "10"commandments.
 
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seed_time_harvest said:
Why did the JESUS give us only two commandments In the new testament.All the law and the prophets are summed up In one word "love".

Under grace,we establish the law.

Some say,that they are trying to keep the "10"commandments but then they say I am also under grace.

I don't think there Is any other way to see your post above except to see it as focusing on the believer understanding GOD's wisdom by the the "ten" commandments and under the "ten" the person would have to leave grace and embrace the law Instead of giving GOD the credit.

Only JESUS could keep the "10"commandments.
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He didnt give 2 commandments to follow, He said those two were the most important and that all the laws, every last one of them, hinge on those two.
 
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Christ is LOVE...as are ALL of His Laws, that is why He gave us His boundaries , His Heart, His Spirit -
so that we may learn to love and respect, and edify and have Godly speech, Godly behavior, and
to learn how to walk in our brand new Faith...

....someone please tell us where it says NOT to keep the (10)???
PS.19:7. - The Law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul:
the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

the word 'hang' certainly doesn't mean 'negate or ignore' ...it simple means that the
Commandments are all a unit and body joined and fit together perfectly...
It's why most of us here don't worship another god,
like other countries who worship and obey the LAWS of their gods....

if Christ's (10) Commandments were not to be kept or are somehow secretly written but
we don't have to 'read' or memorize them, then what's Christ's point in giving them to us?
He has Commanded us to 'walk as He walked'....and He certainly did keep His own Commandments,
else the whole Christian Faith falls apart, for He was sinless.
as Paul says, 'Imitate me because I imitate Christ'....

just as a personal witness, when I didn't keep several of those (10) I suffered greatly,
for I was a slave to sin, but thanks be to God, that I am now a slave to the righteousness of God,
through Jesus Christ our Lord.....and when I do sin, my Advocate, who is sitting on the right hand of God,
as He has promised, He intercedes for me and gives me the strength to 'over-come' that particular
transgression of the Law and I am then able to be even a more Faithful servant, who keeps on learning
how to grow and grow in my Love and obedience to my Master.
I am not under the Law, but I am certainly not above it...
 
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It is not under grace we estabish the law. If you go back to Romans it says faith establishes the law. Faith is a gift from God, and it leads to grace by which we are saved by the Blood of Yeshua.

Remember, it is the Father Who draws all to Jesus Christ.......God bless you, and remember it is also written in Romans that the law is Holy.... It is good when used lawfully, under the auspices of the teaching of our Lord, Jesus.

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Why did the JESUS give us only two commandments In the new testament.All the law and the prophets are summed up In one word "love".

Under grace,we establish the law.

Some say,that they are trying to keep the "10"commandments but then they say I am also under grace.

I don't think there Is any other way to see your post above except to see it as focusing on the believer understanding GOD's wisdom by the the "ten" commandments and under the "ten" the person would have to leave grace and embrace the law Instead of giving GOD the credit.

Only JESUS could keep the "10"commandments.
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JaumeJ

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You are absolutely right here, and He also teaches upon those two laws hangs all of the law. If all of the law is there, depending on the two laws of love, then the law is there, not disappeared..

I believe in my heart and soul all know this who love Jesus, but many have been bewitched by various false teachings into thinking all the law is no longer.

Listen to Jesus Christ when He deals with the law in His gospel, the only gospel. He explains what and how it is used laawful. We are saved by grace, not by the law, but the law is not destroyed.

If you do not believe me, ask Jesus!

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He didnt give 2 commandments to follow, He said those two were the most important and that all the laws, every last one of them, hinge on those two.
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JaumeJ said:
It is not under grace we estabish the law. If you go back to Romans it says faith establishes the law. Faith is a gift from God, and it leads to grace by which we are saved by the Blood of Yeshua.

Remember, it is the Father Who draws all to Jesus Christ.......God bless you, and remember it is also written in Romans that the law is Holy.... It is good when used lawfully, under the auspices of the teaching of our Lord, Jesus.
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Can we establish the law under the law or under grace?
 
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Jesus fulfilled all the law. Now we believe in Him and His life in us which is love fulfills the law. A Christian would never have to ever read the 10 commandments and he would live out the law by Christ's life inside of him.

The purpose of the law has been fulfilled. The 10 commandments are called the ministry of death. 2 Cor 3:7

The purpose of the law was :

1) To reveal our sinful state. Rom 3:20

2) To inflame sin Rom 7:8

3) To minister death in us Rom 7:10-11

4) To lead us to Christ Gal 3:24

The law is good! But the purpose of the law was not for righteousness or salvation at all, it was to manifest sin in our lives, so that the purpose of grace which is in Jesus is to manifest salvation. Grace does not set aside the law, but completely satisfied it.

Col 2:13-15 is where in says that Christ "disarmed" satan having cancelled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us and He nailed it to the cross. Satan uses the law against us. Satan comes and says to you - you broke the law - you are condemned now according to the law. BUT our Lord took that punishment for breaking that law for us.

When Christ takes away the condemnation of the law which satan uses against when he accuses us - he is being "disarmed". If disarmed means anything - it means he did have a weapon but now he doesn't because of our Lord. How great is our salvation in Him!
 
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If one can obey the law by their own willpower, they don't see their need for grace.

It's either self-righteousness or God's gift of Righteousness in Jesus Christ.

It cannot be both.
 
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jaybird88 said:
He didnt give 2 commandments to follow, He said those two were the most important and that all the laws, every last one of them, hinge on those two.
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Hopefully you agree with what I meant,nevertheless thanks for the correction.
 
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Paul teaches us that faith establishes the law. What is established is.

How does faith establishe the law? What did Jesus teach us?

He told the Pharisees that they neglect the most important pints of teh law, mercy, justice and faith.

Now we know by Christ's example how He showed mercy to all. A good example is the woman caught in the act of adultery with enough witnesses to convict her to be stoned to death..........Jesus argued her case with His famous, let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Now the law says she should die, but here is mercy being demonstrated.

Justice is self explanatory, but what about faith? We have faith in Jesus Christ, and if so, and we have learned from Him we know how to understand the law, and how and which truly apply.

The Son of Man came to forgive, not to condemn. He also desires mercy and not sacrifice.

Jesus was not secretive about the law, no, He was quite direct, though so many today have doctrimes of men to cov er up what He teaches.

The law is established by faith in Jesus Christ's Word and all His teachings, but if they are not recognized, then the law is unattainable to understand by the majority. This is to be expected considering all the prophesies concerning the latter days.........

God bless all who live in grace not discounting the law according to Christ's teachings.



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Can we establish the law under the law or under grace?
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It's really a shame that Christians still do not understand the power of the cross and are willing to live under the bondage of the law. It grieves my heart.
 
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I have seen no one in this thread who is "under the bondage of law."

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It's really a shame that Christians still do not understand the power of the cross and are willing to live under the bondage of the law. It grieves my heart.
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These below are the new commandments for us to follow now in the New Covenant. The cross changed everything and all the law and prophets and psalms all pointed to Jesus as the fulfillment of all things.

We don't go backwards to the law. We go forward in Christ and all that he has done because He has fulfilled all the law. We walk in Him now.

It is so important to be established in His love for us because from knowing His love - we can then love from His life in us now and fulfill His commandment.

John 13:34 (NASB)
[SUP]34 [/SUP] "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another.

This is what our Father commands us to do now in the New Covenant sealed in Christ's blood.

1 John 3:23 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.
 
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1 Timothy 1:8-9 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully,

[SUP]9 [/SUP] realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers

Believers in Christ are the righteous ones now. The law is not of faith.

Galatians 3:12 (KJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.


Philippians 3:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith,

 
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JaumeJ said:
I have seen no one in this thread who is "under the bondage of law."
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My brother, then you are blind and are a blind guide. The law only exposes sin and has no remedy for it. The only remedy for sin is the Jesus Christ and Him crucified. If by faith I accept the work of the cross then I am no longer under law, If I try to obtain to the law then it is my righteousness, which is a filthy rag. Yet, If I accept the work of the cross, The Holy Spirit is given legal right to produce in me fruit worthy of the Kingdom. It is not by might nor by power but by My Spirit saith the Lord. No work of the flesh is accepted only by faith in what Jesus did at the cross can one be justified and called a Saint.
 
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11TIM.2:15. - Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed,
rightly dividing the word of truth.

ACTS 17:11. - These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word
with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

11TIM.2:15. - Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed,
rightly dividing the word of truth.

ROMANS 15:4. - For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning,
that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

check any concordance and see how many times it says, 'have you never read'...

our country's prisons are chocked-full of convicts who claim to be 'christain' -
but obviously their fruits bear witness otherwise of their walk -
as it is written,
'the carnal mind is enmity against the Law of God, it is not subject to it,
neither indeed can be.'



maybe if they had read and applied our Father's (10) Commandments,
 
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Maybe that is the reason they are in prison...they did read and try to apply the 10 commandments and failed as they would. The law was brought in to inflame sin and increase people sinning as Paul said.

Romans 5:20-21 (NASB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] The Law came in so that the transgression would increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] so that, as sin reigned in death, even so grace would reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.


We should be preaching the gospel of the grace of Christ to people as that will keep them out of prison.
 
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Grace777x70 said:
Maybe that is the reason they are in prison...they did read and try to apply the 10 commandments and failed as they would. The law was brought in to inflame sin and increase people sinning as Paul said.

Romans 5:20-21 (NASB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] The Law came in so that the transgression would increase; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] so that, as sin reigned in death, even so grace would reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.


We should be preaching the gospel of the grace of Christ to people as that will keep them out of prison.
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who would have ever in their life think that reading, obeying, and hearing the Word of God
would create evil???:confused:
 
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