Mental Health Medications and Christians

[JosephsDreams]

​Yet the fact remains that we still fall ill, regardless of our diet. Why? Because we live in satan's evil and fallen world, where he is lord and master over us. :/ Everything bad in this world is caused by sin and allowed by God. After all, God created sin.

God created sin? That is a whole 'nother theological discussion.
Satan is lord and master over us? Another discussion I don't want to get into here, I want to stay on point, but I don't agree with your theology. That statement sounds like a defeated Christian, which I doubt you are.
But briefly, if that is the case, then why did Jesus say we are in this world, but not of this world?
We do live in fallen world. But that does not negate any of what I said.
Why are you saying that because we live in a fallen world Gods natural laws don't apply to us?
Why are you doubting me when I say I was diagnosed with a chronic disease over 25 years ago, and wa declared cured by a doctor 22 years ago? And I have not had a hint of it since, btw.

 

[JosephsDreams]

So I'm supposed to take a huge leap of faith and go off my seizure meds? I don't think that's gonna happen anytime soon. If God wanted to set me "free", he would have by now. I mean, it's been 40 years and I'm still afflicted. However, one day soon I'll receive my painfree body and the wait will have been worth all the flippin' agony I go through on a daily basis.

I never said go off your seizure meds. Read my posts please. Don't go off them.

 

[Demi777]

God created sin? That is a whole 'nother theological discussion.
Satan is lord and master over us? Another discussion I don't want to get into here, I want to stay on point, but I don't agree with your theology. That statement sounds like a defeated Christian, which I doubt you are.
But briefly, if that is the case, then why did Jesus say we are in this world, but not of this world?
We do live in fallen world. But that does not negate any of what I said.
Why are you saying that because we live in a fallen world Gods natural laws don't apply to us?
Why are you doubting me when I say I was diagnosed with a chronic disease over 25 years ago, and wa declared cured by a doctor 22 years ago? And I have not had a hint of it since, btw.

Bless the Lord for your recovery
Satan may be the Ruler of this world but he aint God nor Lord. God bless you

 

[blue_ladybug]

God created sin? That is a whole 'nother theological discussion.
Satan is lord and master over us? Another discussion I don't want to get into here, I want to stay on point, but I don't agree with your theology. That statement sounds like a defeated Christian, which I doubt you are.
But briefly, if that is the case, then why did Jesus say we are in this world, but not of this world?
We do live in fallen world. But that does not negate any of what I said.
Why are you saying that because we live in a fallen world Gods natural laws don't apply to us?
Why are you doubting me when I say I was diagnosed with a chronic disease over 25 years ago, and wa declared cured by a doctor 22 years ago? And I have not had a hint of it since, btw.

I say he created sin because he allowed it into heaven, AND the garden of Eden. Lucifer couldn't have rebelled without God's okay, nor could the serpent satan enter the garden and tempt Eve, unless God allowed it.

I'm not saying that God's natural laws don't apply to us. I'm saying eating natural isn't always a cure, or even beneficial to some. And I'm not doubting you, that's why I asked how you are a testament. I'm glad you're cured. The same cannot be said for all the rest of us who are afflicted with one disease or another.

 

[blue_ladybug]

I never said go off your seizure meds. Read my posts please. Don't go off them.

​I have no intention of going off my seizure meds. I did that too often when I was a kid. I used to hide my meds because I hated taking them. That's another reason I'm brain damaged today.. lol

 

[JosephsDreams]

LB, lets just forget it. I have no agenda. Nothing to prove. If your content and at peace, God bless you. Who am I to put forth new paradigms?
I know what I know. I made a good living counseling people back in NYC, where i lived for many years, and a lot of people were helped. Naturally. Some went off their meds eventually, some decreased the dosage, some not much improvement. But the last group was a minority.
I also don't want to seem as if I am forcing anything on anyone. Like Jesus said, there are many things I can tell you, but you can not bear it at this time. And I am in the same boat with a lot of things, so don't think I have a elite attitude, if anything, I probably need more help here then a lot of people. Just maybe not of the nutritional kind.

 

[JosephsDreams]

At least you have a excuse for brain damage...

 

[4enlightment]

So I'm supposed to take a huge leap of faith and go off my seizure meds? I don't think that's gonna happen anytime soon. If God wanted to set me "free", he would have by now. I mean, it's been 40 years and I'm still afflicted. However, one day soon I'll receive my painfree body and the wait will have been worth all the flippin' agony I go through on a daily basis.

No, but I does know someone that had taken heart pill for a long time; that had started an organic diet and that at one visit to her doctor that he said that her heart has improved a lot that he is thinking about removing her from them pills. When she had found that out, that she headed straight to her kitchen and had clean it out from all of the old food that she held onto in case she sees no result, and had thrown them straight into the trash where they belong and replaced her kitchen with organic kosher foods only. And now she get around and go for long walks, like as if she were born again. Right now the state of Vermont had voted that their foods should be labeled if they are gmo or not; and that right there should make all companies to start to label theirs gmo products nationwide as well.

 

[JosephsDreams]

No, but I does know someone that had taken heart pill for a long time; that had started an organic diet and that at one visit to her doctor that he said that her heart has improved a lot that he is thinking about removing her from them pills. When she had found that out, that she headed straight to her kitchen and had clean it out from all of the old food that she held onto in case she sees no result, and had thrown them straight into the trash where they belong and replaced her kitchen with organic kosher foods only. And now she get around and go for long walks, like as if she were born again. Right now the state of Vermont had voted that their foods should be labeled if they are gmo or not; and that right there should make all companies to start to label theirs gmo products nationwide as well.

Its a lot more then just a organic diet, although that is a factor.
I live in VT, btw.
I know you mean well, EN, we are on the same wave length, I think, but your post about organic can be misleading to some people here who know nothing, or little about how this really works.
I say that respectfully.

 

[JosephsDreams]

I have to go and pick up my girls. It been fun, and real. And really fun.

 

[blue_ladybug]

LB, lets just forget it. I have no agenda. Nothing to prove. If your content and at peace, God bless you. Who am I to put forth new paradigms?
I know what I know. I made a good living counseling people back in NYC, where i lived for many years, and a lot of people were helped. Naturally. Some went off their meds eventually, some decreased the dosage, some not much improvement. But the last group was a minority.
I also don't want to seem as if I am forcing anything on anyone. Like Jesus said, there are many things I can tell you, but you can not bear it at this time. And I am in the same boat with a lot of things, so don't think I have a elite attitude, if anything, I probably need more help here then a lot of people. Just maybe not of the nutritional kind.

I never said you had an agenda, OR anything to prove. You were healed, that's great. People you've counseled were healed, good for them. However, I'm of the belief that God, for reasons known only to him, does NOT heal EVERYONE. If he did, we would be immortal. If a probiotic, algae diet works for you, then keep it up. As for me, I'll keep having faith that God can and might heal me, but in the interim, I'll keep taking my meds..

 

[skylove7]

BlueLady Bug
You are so cute!
You have been there done that!
Just like my old classmate I ran into last Saturday!

You...crawled
But now you fly!
I love you!

 

[blue_ladybug]

At least you have a excuse for brain damage...

...............

 

[skylove7]

You be strong BlueLady Bug!

Life is pain but it's mortal

The devil is going to pay for this!

Someone asked me once why?

I said...
" because the devil has to gather his evil hearts too
Til the end

We all have a choice!
I choose to be good!
Lol


No I am not an angel...
Jesus suffered to forgive...
Not expecting angels lol
He just wants love lol

 

[KohenMatt]

Ok wait just a cotton pickin' minute!! A seizure disorder is NOT a mental illness. It is a neurological disorder and can be caused by many things. In my case, I was held back at birth because the doctor wasn't there yet and the nurses wanted to wait for him, before delivering me. Therefore, I had a loss of oxygen to my brain, which created the epilepsy that I have to this very day. Was I born with brain damage? Yes I was. Am I mentally ill because I have seizures? Absolutely not.

I agree with you completely. That's why I gave this disclaimer in my 1st post.

If a seizure disorder falls under the term of "mental health", I developed a seizure disorder about 10 years ago, and then had 3 grand mal seizures about 4-5 years ago.

 

[KohenMatt]

God had given us dietary laws that we suppose to have followed in order to prevent any health problems that everything can go smoothly with you and our children while we are on this earth.

Deuteronomy 5:33 Walk in obedience to all that the Lord your God has commanded you, so that you may live and prosper and prolong your days in the land that you will possess.

Personally, I follow the dietary laws in the Old Testament. I had a good friend who kept them most of his life and lived as healthy a life as I've seen and ate as healthy as I've ever seen. He died of throat cancer while he was still lifestyle and wasn't taking any medication. I don't say that in any way to judge or criticize him. I completely respected his decision to do that.

That may be true, in a PERFECT world with no sin. However, we are in an evil, fallen world, where even the plants and fruits God gave us can kill us.

Bingo. I completely agree.

God cursed the ground because of man's sin. (Genesis 3:17) the food that comes from it is no longer 100% successful in keeping us healthy.

 

[KohenMatt]

I am not suggesting we won't one day fall sick and die. Just that most of us are living a lower quality of life then we need to, and are being cut down before our time.

This is a much better approach and attitude towards sickness and health than has been presented thus far.

 

[KohenMatt]

No, but I does know someone that had taken heart pill for a long time; that had started an organic diet and that at one visit to her doctor that he said that her heart has improved a lot that he is thinking about removing her from them pills. When she had found that out, that she headed straight to her kitchen and had clean it out from all of the old food that she held onto in case she sees no result, and had thrown them straight into the trash where they belong and replaced her kitchen with organic kosher foods only. And now she get around and go for long walks, like as if she were born again. Right now the state of Vermont had voted that their foods should be labeled if they are gmo or not; and that right there should make all companies to start to label theirs gmo products nationwide as well.

There is a difference between anecdotal stories and medical case studies. No one can put 100% support behind anecdotal stories. Can those situations be real? Absolutely. But they are by no means 100% factual and indicative of all cases.

 

[4enlightment]

Its a lot more then just a organic diet, although that is a factor.
I live in VT, btw.
I know you mean well, EN, we are on the same wave length, I think, but your post about organic can be misleading to some people here who know nothing, or little about how this really works.
I say that respectfully.

What I am telling her is that the meds for her seizures might does work, but what causing the seizures is still in the body. And if you replace it with foods that the body doesn't rejects means that the body will not be deficient anymore that the eliminating process will be working properly eliminating what caused her to have these seizures. Then she will not need to take meds anymore. Her problem had existed from when she were a child and which what has caused the seizures had entered into the body from when she had consumed as a child or through what her mother had consumed while she was carrying her. If her drinking water had lead from the pipes that the fluoride in the water caused lead to come out from the pipes that she was still consuming and taking her meds might make it look as if it were an incurable problem. But maybe she had moved from the lead pipes during the time when gmo were put onto the market that made it look even more worst or that she had a poor diet with no nutritional value at all. I know that a well balance meal will help everything to work in harmony because there is no lack of nutrients.

People are not understanding that gmo's is not a natural affect of nature, that it should be considered as foreign substance that doesn't belong in the body. They are creating Chimera at places that they call animal pharm. They are suppose to be use for medical research to create organs and other parts of the body. But they are not telling the public about these organs that they are creating from these animals that the animals that they has implanted these organs from these chimeras, that the animal s bodies are rejecting them. And so they are giving these animals antibiotic resistance drugs (To bring down the animals defense system as an AID patients) to prevent the animals body from rejecting these organs. And so if anyone get an organ from these animals will also have to live on these meds for the rest of their life and be put on special diet that has no nutritional value at all. But the gmo foods that are rejecting and building up an defense against it as well, because that is why the majority of the people , overweight or not, are malnutrition. The reason why, is that the body is digesting it, but not absorbing it. And so it is storing it until it is eliminated.

And the mad cow disease is cause from feeding cows beef and it own poop. But now they have resolved that by feeding cows chicken instead with chicken poop with the rest of their foods. And now we are eating, if it is not organic or grass fed, sick animals as well.

It is a combination of everything that causing all of these disorders, and so the best thing to do is to go organic.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Ok wait just a cotton pickin' minute!! A seizure disorder is NOT a mental illness. It is a neurological disorder and can be caused by many things. In my case, I was held back at birth because the doctor wasn't there yet and the nurses wanted to wait for him, before delivering me. Therefore, I had a loss of oxygen to my brain, which created the epilepsy that I have to this very day. Was I born with brain damage? Yes I was. Am I mentally ill because I have seizures? Absolutely not.

What I am telling her is that the meds for her seizures might does work, but what causing the seizures is still in the body. And if you replace it with foods that the body doesn't rejects means that the body will not be deficient anymore that the eliminating process will be working properly eliminating what caused her to have these seizures. Then she will not need to take meds anymore. Her problem had existed from when she were a child and which what has caused the seizures had entered into the body from when she had consumed as a child or through what her mother had consumed while she was carrying her. If her drinking water had lead from the pipes that the fluoride in the water caused lead to come out from the pipes that she was still consuming and taking her meds might make it look as if it were an incurable problem. But maybe she had moved from the lead pipes during the time when gmo were put onto the market that made it look even more worst or that she had a poor diet with no nutritional value at all. I know that a well balance meal will help everything to work in harmony because there is no lack of nutrients.

People are not understanding that gmo's is not a natural affect of nature, that it should be considered as foreign substance that doesn't belong in the body. They are creating Chimera at places that they call animal pharm. They are suppose to be use for medical research to create organs and other parts of the body. But they are not telling the public about these organs that they are creating from these animals that the animals that they has implanted these organs from these chimeras, that the animal s bodies are rejecting them. And so they are giving these animals antibiotic resistance drugs (To bring down the animals defense system as an AID patients) to prevent the animals body from rejecting these organs. And so if anyone get an organ from these animals will also have to live on these meds for the rest of their life and be put on special diet that has no nutritional value at all. But the gmo foods that are rejecting and building up an defense against it as well, because that is why the majority of the people , overweight or not, are malnutrition. The reason why, is that the body is digesting it, but not absorbing it. And so it is storing it until it is eliminated.

And the mad cow disease is cause from feeding cows beef and it own poop. But now they have resolved that by feeding cows chicken instead with chicken poop with the rest of their foods. And now we are eating, if it is not organic or grass fed, sick animals as well.

It is a combination of everything that causing all of these disorders, and so the best thing to do is to go organic.

Ok, so re-read my above post, and you'll see what's wrong with me and why and how it came about. You cannot reverse brain damage. Not with food, not with drugs. I don't care if organic food is better, it's not gonna reverse my brain damage.. Only GOD can reverse it, but for whatever reason, he prefers not to. So I embrace my brain damage, because it makes me unique. Y'all are always wondering why I'm so weird, now ya know.. lol