Mental Health Medications and Christians

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SHOULD CHRISTIANS TAKE MENTAL HEALTH PHARMACEUTICALS?

  • YES, MENTAL HEALTH PHARMACEUTICALS HAVE A LEGITIMATE PURPOSE FOR SOME CHRISTIANS

    Votes: 22 95.7%
  • NO, MENTAL HEALTH PHARMACEUTICALS SHOULD NEVER BE USED BY CHRISTIANS

    Votes: 1 4.3%

  • Total voters
    23

JosephsDreams

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It was my generation that brought you youngsters into this world. We left you with a future brighter than any generation before or after us. I leave that discussion there.

I encourage everyone to eat a balanced healthy diet. I'll leave the seaweed, algae, and grass to the animals in the food chain that have developed the digestive systems to process that diet.

In the US there are laws about practicing medicine without a license. They are in place to protect the public from people who really have no idea what they are doing. I attended the funeral of a young Vet who committed suicide a few weeks ago. His medications made him feel drowsy. A good Samaritan like you told him that he didn't need the medication that had been prescribed for his PTSD. He told him to just give the problem to God and throw away the pills and follow a diet plan.

Again, to anyone reading this post, if you are in need of mental or any other health care, seek a qualified licensed healthcare professional, who will properly diagnose the problem, and prescribe the proper treatment of you condition. If you doubt that you are being prescribed the proper treatment, seek a second opinion.

If ignorance is bliss, your generation will have a blissful life. Most of my generation will enjoy the fruits of our youth, while watching you youngsters grow up making the same mistakes that we did. In a few years we will go home to enjoy the rewards of our salvation in Christ. Don't worry though. You're only a few years behind us.

I never did anything to you, and indeed have just tried to be a benefit here. And then you come here, and essentially call me a quack. That was ignorant. Maybe you are not ignorant, but that was a nasty, uncalled for comment. Maybe next time you won't be so quick to call or imply I am, or anyone else is a quack, just because you seem to not understand, or don't want to understand a different way. That was not nice, and uncalled for. That my issue with you.
 

mar09

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And we're back to this. Want to tell Angela how eating right stops her from having RA too? (I could keep going but I know this goes back to anecdotal evidence over Uncle Bob sooner or later. Probably sooner.)
But angela is more of the exception than the rule... Honestly, i have only seen abt 3 pp of this thread so i cannot say much either.
 

Angela53510

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Yes!! I finally catch up to the end of the thread. I had blood tests this morning, then collapsed all afternoon I was so sick with this sinus infection. And no, I gave up all milk years ago, I actually like almond milk better than cow's milk.

First, I was put on blue green algae for 2 years by an allergist in the 1990's. He did say he had never heard of a case of allergies in medical literature, or seen one in his huge medical practice. He was the top paid physician in BC a few years back. The blue green algae, I never got used to the taste or figured out a way to eat it that made it palatable. And that daring doctor who was trying out alternatives, was the one who put me on allergies shots, which likely triggered my RA.

The psalmist - a really good, easily useable source of B vitamins is Engivita Yeast. I put about a tablespoon in Orange juice every morning. I've run out of it a few times, and end up with B vitamin deficiencies, coming in the form of sores around my mouth. (not cold sores). When that happens, I get on top of finding a health food store and getting a few big packages. It is also really good on popcorn, although I don't eat that anymore.

As far as diet helping RA, it is absolutely true. I have two friends who are controlling their RA with diet. One is extremely active, travels all over the world. The other is a country girl, loves to hunt and fish. I tried the diet the second one did for months. I got no results.

Which brings me to the ignorance people have about RA. It is an auto-immune disease that attacks the brain, lungs, heart, kidneys and skin. Oh yes, the joints, which gives the most pain and causes deformities.

There are many different "families" of RA. That is why the biologics (read: cancer drugs) target different parts of the immune system. I've been on drugs that targeted TNF, B cells, T cells, interleukin 1 & 6, and Jakinase molecules. The only ones that have really worked for me have been the ones that targeted the TNF and interleukin 1. I am not on those drugs, currently because of side effects.

In my travels to various clinics, I have met people on most of the biologics. One woman told me Actemra gave her, her life back. Actemra was a total fail for me. I have met others who said Orencia was their magic bullet. Well, going into the 7th month, it is totally inadequate. I am trying to get back on the Interlukin 1 drug - Kineret. But it helps so few people, it might not even be manufactured any more, and the provincial health care doesn't cover it.

So many drugs to treat the various families of RA. My rheumatologist told me again yesterday, that I am the most severe case he has ever seen. And to be happy with what I have. I think he realizes I don't belong to that "family" of personalities! LOL I am going to keep looking at going back to Kineret, if I have to sleep in front of the legislature for a whole session to get it approved.

So there are all kinds of things that help different people. I simply am not someone that eating better, or differently works. I am a very careful eater, I eat all the right things. I also drink a huge amount of water daily. We had an old friend visit and for the first two days, he harped on me that I needed to drink more water. Then he stopped. About the 5th day, he said he couldn't believe how much water I consumed. And he learned about sipping water gradually as the day progressed. All filtered, of course!

I take a whack load of drugs. Every few years, I wean off a number of them. NOT the RA meds! But then I get worse, and I have to add them back. I got off the toxic prednisone last week. My rheumatologist wants me back on it! Well, as another cousin of mine who has RA says, "At least it works."

So the next time you start to lecture someone on how diet can cure their RA, be aware they might not be in that family, which is a much milder form of RA. For me, I eat healthy because it helps the rest of my body. No sense being sick in multiple ways.
 
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I had no idea ... I thought it was completely off the wall! thanks for letting me know ...

But your response to my innocent mistake was completely uncalled for ... To use your own recent words

"Really? You called a brother ignorant more than once and yet still demand anyone listen to you?" -Depleted
 
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No worries, laura.. I don't put any stock into those with no MD after their names. Especially those who can't give me assurances that what they're recommending won't harm me..
Hmmm, it just dawned on me, when I started my business, all that legalizing stuff gave me 1000 shares (on one piece of paper) for my business. The business died in 1999. Will you buy no stock from me either? All over an MD not being after my name? Yeesh! Nuts!
 
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Do you eat a lot of grains?
Yes, I eat a lot of organic bread. In the bible that it says that it is good for the heart.


Psalm 104:15 wine that gladdens human hearts, oil to make their faces shine,
and bread that sustains their hearts.

WHOLE GRAINS MAY HELP PREVENT HEART ATTACKS
Researchers analyzed the diet of nearly 55,000 Danish adults and then tracked their health outcomes for over 13 years. Those consuming the most whole grains per day had a 25-27% lower risk of having a heart attack than those eating the least amount of whole grains per day. In fact, increasing whole grain intake by 25g per day was linked with a 12-13% lower risk of a heart attack. Among the different types of whole grains, rye and oats appeared to be especially protective.
American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. 2016 Feb 17. Pii:acjn124271. (Helnæs A et al.) Health Studies on Whole Grains | The Whole Grains Council


The Healing Power Of Olive Oil


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Do you subscribe to the Weston Price diet?
The foods that I eat is organic and kosher. I consumes a lot of organic oils like red palm oil, avacados oil, extra virgin olive oil and coconut oil. These oil have you looking like you are still in your teens. But I adds a lot of herbs and spices that help removes parasites from the body and which that helps prevent infections and keeps everything in the body to work in harmony. Herbs and spices in ancient times were use to embalmed the dead bodies; to preserved the body, keep it from decaying..


[h=1]HERBS AND A PROTOCOL THAT ELIMINATES PARASITES FROM THE BODY[/h]
Herbs and a Protocol that Eliminates Parasites from the Body
 

blue_ladybug

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I ate chicken salad yesterday. *gasp* With mayonnaise. *oh the horror* :rolleyes:
 

JosephsDreams

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The foods that I eat is organic and kosher. I consumes a lot of organic oils like red palm oil, avacados oil, extra virgin olive oil and coconut oil. These oil have you looking like you are still in your teens. But I adds a lot of herbs and spices that help removes parasites from the body and which that helps prevent infections and keeps everything in the body to work in harmony. Herbs and spices in ancient times were use to embalmed the dead bodies; to preserved the body, keep it from decaying..


HERBS AND A PROTOCOL THAT ELIMINATES PARASITES FROM THE BODY


Herbs and a Protocol that Eliminates Parasites from the Body
Your using the bible as a guideline for diet, I think?
I don't agree with the grains, as they have been shown to slow down digestion and encourage stagnation. Neither palm oil, because it is adding to the destruction of the rain forests, and also as a food because it is high in saturated fats and low in polyunsaturated fat.
I think it is great your using the bible for inspiration and your mind is open to the benefits of a healthy diet.
But be careful with some of your interpretations, as I believe some of it sways from the Gen 1:29 original diet. Some of what came later was concessions God made to what man was already doing, but is not what God had intended, nor ideal to longevity and quality of life.
 

JosephsDreams

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The foods that I eat is organic and kosher. I consumes a lot of organic oils like red palm oil, avacados oil, extra virgin olive oil and coconut oil. These oil have you looking like you are still in your teens. But I adds a lot of herbs and spices that help removes parasites from the body and which that helps prevent infections and keeps everything in the body to work in harmony. Herbs and spices in ancient times were use to embalmed the dead bodies; to preserved the body, keep it from decaying..


HERBS AND A PROTOCOL THAT ELIMINATES PARASITES FROM THE BODY


Herbs and a Protocol that Eliminates Parasites from the Body
Do you soak the grains before cooking them? Do you cook them or eat them raw?
 
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Your using the bible as a guideline for diet, I think?
I don't agree with the grains, as they have been shown to slow down digestion and encourage stagnation. Neither palm oil, because it is adding to the destruction of the rain forests, and also as a food because it is high in saturated fats and low in polyunsaturated fat.
I think it is great your using the bible for inspiration and your mind is open to the benefits of a healthy diet.
But be careful with some of your interpretations, as I believe some of it sways from the Gen 1:29 original diet. Some of what came later was concessions God made to what man was already doing, but is not what God had intended, nor ideal to longevity and quality of life.
Red palm oil that it is an healthy oil. Its melting point is around 77 degrees like coconut oil, and which the body's temperature stays around 98 degrees, which the oil stays in the oily state that will not cool down in the body and clog the arteries like lard; and which lard and some margarine and fats that has came off of the animals organs has a melting point that is around 107 degrees which it will not stay melted while in some parts of the body. And now lard can clog some arteries, unless you keep the body at a higher temp. Yeah I know that the harvesters are not organize at all, like most of our crops that we consumes are coming from well unorganized harvesters. They need to start growing their own plantation of this fruit instead of taking it from the wild that it is effecting other wildlife.

And bread were good enough for the people of the biblical times and that is mostly what they has ate to stay alive. There' s some grains of wheat that has been tampered with that was dump into the wheat fields in Oregon instead of disposal of them in the proper way. Baked bread still has a lot of health benefits like a lot of vitamin B's in them that keep the heart strong.
If you eat organic foods that your body's digestion system increases that you need something that will stay down in the belly. And you need to eat a lot as well.




 

mar09

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Red palm oil that it is an healthy oil. Its melting point is around 77 degrees like coconut oil, and which the body's temperature stays around 98 degrees, which the oil stays in the oily state that will not cool down in the body and clog the arteries like lard; and which lard and some margarine and fats that has came off of the animals organs has a melting point that is around 107 degrees which it will not stay melted while in some parts of the body. And now lard can clog some arteries, unless you keep the body at a higher temp. Yeah I know that the harvesters are not organize at all, like most of our crops that we consumes are coming from well unorganized harvesters. They need to start growing their own plantation of this fruit instead of taking it from the wild that it is effecting other wildlife.

And bread were good enough for the people of the biblical times and that is mostly what they has ate to stay alive. There' s some grains of wheat that has been tampered with that was dump into the wheat fields in Oregon instead of disposal of them in the proper way. Baked bread still has a lot of health benefits like a lot of vitamin B's in them that keep the heart strong.
If you eat organic foods that your body's digestion system increases that you need something that will stay down in the belly. And you need to eat a lot as well.




That?! We had the palms but as kids played w/ them...I only knew they are not edible like sugar palms are. Later some men bought the fruit wc weren't very much anyway, and we just gave them sometimes.
 
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I don't take crazy pills. I'll rather smoke cigarettes and drink coffee.
 

mar09

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BTW, since "someone," (My, Willie, it is fun to pretend I'm being upright without using your name), is mocking me that I've ignored, (and then I saw everyone quoting him), I will admit I did hold up two packages of cookies to decide which one to get and did tell that story. Then again, I forgot the gossip and "righteous-judgement" rate on here and didn't think I needed to add "sugar-free" to make sure I fit in prim and proper with the "in-crowd" on this forum.

Does anyone else get very tired of the "righteous-judgement" group on here? Honestly? I recently asked a question on the Natural Health section but somehow asking for suggestions about sweet vegetables turned into a discussion about herbs, sugar doesn't cause cancer, oils, and diabetes. Too many "experts" trying to second guess people before simply answer the question. I'd like to learn how to eat healthier, but I don't need the articles about health issues I already have. And I really don't need lessons on herbs. I have most of the herbs used in cooking growing out back. Even went so far as trying Stevia. It grew fine, (a boring looking plant though), but the sweetness ratio is so different from sugar I never figured out how to make something not too-sweet. That says something about how sweet it is, considering I love sweet. lol

Pretty much what happened here actually. "Mental Health" turned into another discussion on how to eat good and right.
-) I am responding to the part on righteous judgment part, ok. I do not know if u consider me part of that, hwever. But please do not think that I consider myself an expert each time I share or post something on natural heath forum. I often mention I am learning a lot when I can, when I post something. It just happens that u and I belong to perhaps the 1/3 older members here, so I allow myself to share some, faults too when I can, for the younger ppl to learn from, wc I sincerely hope are helpful. All are encouraged to research on particular matters, but sometimes I know it helps to hear from elders who have gone thru something than by trial and error always. Of course, some things are on an individual basis.. I mean lots of things are, and if I am not articulate or clear in saying these, I beg ur pardon, and again I have tried. Then again I want to say that many times even MDs are seen or considered s idols in many ppl's lives, w.o them knowing (as I did) so to be alert to that. We also have MDs in the family, and as I mentioned somewhere else eastern med or TCM practitioners have also been studying their craft perhaps far longer than orthodox western med, and do have some legit points, but of course many other questionable principles. But whatever, just because a poster or website is small and unknown as WebMD is, for example, does not mean it is wrong or not reliable. Who do u think will make a website on activated charcoal big and popular as the site mentioned or others less so? If they will earn cents on such a site, none.
 
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As a precursor to this discussion, I'm not a mental health expert and would not want anyone relying on my expertise regarding this topic.

The basic question is whether a Christian should use mental health pharmaceuticals or not.

My position is that there are some individuals with genuine chemical imbalances which can benefit from mental health pharmaceuticals, but that our society tends to overprescribe such pharmaceuticals and these drugs can have a detrimental effect on the Christianity of those who take the drugs.

I want to point to my personal experience. I started taking Paxil in about 2010 or so, due to social anxiety. I had just left a church I was involved with for years, and the experience was very disillusioning. I needed to get involved with another fellowship which taught sound doctrine, but felt out of place. I thought the drugs may help me to adapt to a new environment and to deal with the resulting anxiety.

Instead, I believe the drugs caused me to feel complacent about non-attendance, and about my Christian duties in general. I ended up backsliding for a number of years, getting involved in very obvious immoral behavior.

I don't blame my behavior on these anti-anxiety medications, but I do believe they engendered a false sense of peace, which replaced the peace I should have been receiving from the Holy Spirit. I also gained a lot of weight from these anti-anxiety medications, which caused further issues.

There are different attitudes in the Church regarding mental health drugs. My understanding is that John MacArthur teaches that they are never useful to the Christian. I have a friend who attended MacArthur's fellowship..my friend had a roommate with genuine mental health issues (having auditory and visual hallucinations) who was not encouraged to take medications and it caused great difficulty in his life. So, while I respect MacArthur's view on other topics, and while he has a genuine concern regarding mental health drugs, I do not agree with his black and white view on this topic.

My aunt is a very faithful Christian and also experienced auditory hallucinations and takes mental health drugs as a result. So, I am definitely sympathetic to both perspectives. Our physical bodies are subject to the effects of the Fall, and I believe that these sorts of illnesses are a manifestation of underlying physical frailties due to this, in some circumstances. However, I also believe that these illnesses can, in some cases, be caused by sinful thinking. It's a mixed bag.

Just wondering what everyone else thinks on this topic.

Note: I am not encouraging or discouraging the use of mental health pharmaceuticals, nor would I want anyone to feel guilty over their use if they have a genuine organic condition. I'm not qualified to judge that. I am only relating my own circumstance and thoughts.
It depends. God wants us to be sober-minded. If a person is not sober-minded, and the prescription will help them become sober-minded, then yes, of course. God put medicines in nature for a reason. But if a person is sober-minded, and the medicine will make them not sober-minded, then of course not.

There are two types of sober-mindedness. One physical, one spiritual. To not be physically sober minded is to be drunk or high.
 
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TrailofTruth

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I ran out of time to revise what I was saying...

To not be physically sober-minded is to be drunk or high. To not be spiritually sober-minded is to not use logic. If for example, smoking a cigarette was punishable by death, and you had someone right next to you with a sharp brick in hand, ready to kill you if you took a puff, would you? Maybe then people would give it a second thought, be more sober-minded. But since the threat of hell for sins is so far away, people charge right through their sinful pleasures- this is not sober-minded. Even as a four year old I would want the future me at 44 years old to be free of danger. But most people only think about the here and now, and live for pleasure instead of living for God.