Once saved, always saved

[BaxterBack]

Do you think that you can go back and un-crucify Jesus and take back God's gift of salvation? If you're answer is "yes" then you need to pick up a Bible and start reading. I suggest Ephesians 2:8.

 

[HeraldtheNews]

The only unforgiveable sin is rejecting God's free-offering or Mercy in Jesus-- Unfortunately, many people, especially those who are oppressed by malicious spirits, can become consumed with destroying themselves, like thornbirds. Self-hatred is a very serious offense since it is despising God's presence within us as Children of God.

A church sign says it in a frightening way: "God does not send people to Hell; He just honors their choice." Humanity has become consumed with destroying life in the womb, and we wonder why people are obsessed with attacking other people and other nations?
One presidential candidate seems obsessed with destroying America from the outside, while another seems obsessed with destroying America from the inside, and inside the womb. When it comes right down to it, most women oppose abortion and despise Planned Parenthood. And most men oppose unstable candidates that threaten their families. I hope Both sides give them all the boot.

 

[roaringkitten]

The Bible clearly teaches that "Faith without works is dead." i.e., the absence of a real, born-again conversion relationship. The opposite is obviously true then: "Works without faith is just as dead." The whole Bible revolves around the marriage relationship between a man and woman-- bride and groom; husband and wife; Jesus confirmed this at the town of Cana when Mary, who was likely in charge of organizing the town wedding possibly for a family member, asked her Son to intervene by turning water into true wine-- the richness of a true, loving relationship that represents the Holy Spirit. The Lord is forever faithful to His bride, the church (all true Christian believers who love God and one another spiritually). But, God considers people's free-will to be sacred. There are dire warnings in the Bible about people who knowingly (with a sound mind) turn their back on God or reject God's love and mercy offered as a free-gift and who instead want to make up our own Covenant rules, and try to save ourselves on our own terms. Doubting God's word and faithfulness is similar to blaspheming God, by making an idol out of ourselves. Having a heart of entitlement is also a form of blaspheming God's Spirit. The veil of this life, like the atmosphere around the earth-- the Garden of Eden-- and the Blood of Christ, covers all sin. But, if people insist on blaspheming their marriage to Heaven, it can become like a marriage where a man or woman is secretly violating their marriage covenant by betraying their spouse. WE can not make up our own rules in life-- that is idolatry and can degrade into blasphemy-- lying to God. Eventually people can end up separating themselves from God, or at least from every reward in Heaven. The Bible even states that divorce can become a "garment of violence." Since Jesus said that abusing a child can wind a person up at the bottom of the sea-- a reference to the Pharoah's army pursuing the Israelites-- Abusing a spouse, usually a man's offense against a woman, but not always, is grounds for immediate divorce. Adultery, a very serious offense in the military, is perpetrating violence against a marriage, which Jesus taught is grounds for divorce, and by implication, so is abusing a spouse or children. No woman is bound to a violent man. Except for civil or national defense or defense of vulnerable people, violence was and is foreign in the community of Christ.

Herald, you are a fine example of what I said in post #5. The blood of the Lamb is central to salvation, yet you afford it a quick passing thought. You say the blood of Christ covers all sin, yet you turn around and say a blood bought saint can be charged with sin. I expected the arguments in this room that deny eternal salvation would revolve around the usual passages of Scripture, and leave out the blood of Christ for the most part.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Herald, you are a fine example of what I said in post #5. The blood of the Lamb is central to salvation, yet you afford it a quick passing thought. You say the blood of Christ covers all sin, yet you turn around and say a blood bought saint can be charged with sin. I expected the arguments in this room that deny eternal salvation would revolve around the usual passages of Scripture, and leave out the blood of Christ for the most part.

And you proclaim a lawless grace in which Christians are immune from accountability for the sins which they commit as Christians. The law is an equal opportunity convicter of all transgressors.

If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. James 2:8-9​

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Herald, you are a fine example of what I said in post #5. The blood of the Lamb is central to salvation, yet you afford it a quick passing thought. You say the blood of Christ covers all sin, yet you turn around and say a blood bought saint can be charged with sin. I expected the arguments in this room that deny eternal salvation would revolve around the usual passages of Scripture, and leave out the blood of Christ for the most part.

The day of atonement and OT symbol of the blood of the lamb means nothing to these folks. They trample on the blood and sacrifice of Christ, While screaming sinner to everyone who is against their self righteous form of Christianity.

 

[Depleted]

I grew up hearing the phrase that once you are saved, you are always saved. You cannot loose your salvation is that statement true, please help me find scriptures that discuss this topic further.

John 3

John 6:35-40

It's true, but the real question keeps coming back to "are you really saved?"

And now you did it -- yet started another post for people to scold you about this endlessly.

 

[roaringkitten]

And you proclaim a lawless grace in which Christians are immune from accountability for the sins which they commit as Christians. The law is an equal opportunity convicter of all transgressors.

If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: Butif ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. James 2:8-9​

You proclaim salvation by works:

You must do the righteous work of abstaining from sin and doing the will of GOD in order to be saved.

When the Bible says:
" Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost" Titus 3:5

And your false charge is refuted by what I already posted on this thread. Lawless grace?

With the grace Paul was preaching, he was obviously accused of teaching that believers could live like the world.

"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?" Rom 6:1-2

The same rotten fruit is seen in those who falsely accuse the grace brethren here on CC of advocating living like the world because they believe in the blood's power to completely save. Don't listen to the accusers. Believers of grace always affirm:

"This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men." Titus 3:8

You are a perfect example of a false accuser on this forum, as you go around and label Christians here gnostic, false grace believers....etc when we clearly teach the importance of living for the Lord.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

And your false charge is refuted by what I already posted on this thread. Lawless grace?
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You admitted that you believe a Christian cannot be charged with sin - "you turn around and say a blood bought saint can be charged with sin".

That is lawlessness.

You may not like that truth, but trying to squirm around it is not going to change reality.

 

[roaringkitten]

You admitted that you believe a Christian cannot be charged with sin - "you turn around and say a blood bought saint can be charged with sin".

That is lawlessness.

You may not like that truth, but trying to squirm around it is not going to change reality.

"Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us." Rom 8:33-34

 

[Grace777x70]

Hebrews 8:8-9 (NASB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For finding fault with them, He says, "BEHOLD, DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL EFFECT A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH;

[SUP]9 [/SUP] NOT LIKE THE COVENANT WHICH I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS ON THE DAY WHEN I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT; FOR THEY DID NOT CONTINUE IN MY COVENANT, AND I DID NOT CARE FOR THEM, SAYS THE LORD.

Hebrews 8:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] "FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR INIQUITIES, AND I WILL REMEMBER THEIR SINS NO MORE."Romans 4:6-8 (KJV)

[SUP]6 [/SUP] Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

[SUP]7 [/SUP] Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

[SUP]8 [/SUP] Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

We need to walk in the knowledge of our sins forgiven and that we are the righteousness of God in Christ now. Awake to righteousness and sin not.

Wake up from your sleep about who you are in Christ because of His finished work for us and we will manifest outwardly who we are in the new creation in Christ, the inner man created in righteousness and holiness.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

"Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us." Rom 8:33-34

This is an example of how people take one or two verses and create a doctrine that disregards other scripture that qualifies it. The above benefit is found walking in Christ. Walk apart from the spirit and you come under condemnation of the law.

[There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus. Romans 8:1

... if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. Galatians 5:18

However, if you carry out the royal law according to the scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. But if you show partiality, you commit sin, [and thus] are convicted by the law as transgressors. James 2:8-9​

If you walk outside of Christ in disobedience, Christ himself will hold your sin against you and tell you to repent - "I hold against you..." (Revelation 2)

 

[Grace777x70]

Nowhere does it say " Jesus holds sin against people" in Revelation 2. People love to "add" things onto the scriptures to "create" their own works false doctrine.

It says that He has this against you ( Rev 2:4 ) and He was disciplining them in love - NOT holding their sins against them.

Our Loving Lord will always discipline us because we are sons and He does this discipline with words.

If you want to see how Jesus dealt with sin and His discipline of the disciples - look to what He did when He was here on this earth. Jesus is the exact representation of the true nature of the Father in all things including this so-called "holding sin against". This is false teaching.

Romans 4:7-8 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

Hebrews 8:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] "FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR INIQUITIES, AND I WILL REMEMBER THEIR SINS NO MORE."Romans 4:6-8 (KJV

 

[Grace777x70]

Romans 16:17-18 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

[SUP]18 [/SUP] For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Nowhere does it say " Jesus holds sin against people" in Revelation 2. People love to "add" things onto the scriptures to "create" their own works false doctrine.

It says that He has this against you ( Rev 2:4 ) and He was disciplining them in love - NOT holding their sins against them.

My, my how you seem to resist the truth at every turn.

But I have a few [things] against you: that you have there those who hold fast to the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, to eat food sacrificed to idols and to commit sexual immorality. So likewise you also have those who hold fast to the teaching of the Nicolaitans. Therefore repent! But if you do not, I am coming to you quickly, and I will make war with them with the sword from my mouth. Revelation 2:14-16​

Have
G2192 ἔχω echo (ekh'-o) v.
1. to hold (such as possession, ability, contiuity, relation, or condition)

 

[Grace777x70]

He is not saying He is holding sin against a believer in Him. He is disciplining them with His word.

He is against what they were teaching just like He is against those that teach the blood of Jesus does not take away sin.

John 1:29 (KJV)
[SUP]29 [/SUP] The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.


Jesus is definitely going to make war against those that do not choose to follow Him - when He visits them in the Day of the Lord. It's not going to be pretty for those Nicolaitans who are not in Christ. Rev 2:15-16

Revelation 2:15-16 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] 'So you also have some who in the same way hold the teaching of the Nicolaitans.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] 'Therefore repent; or else I am coming to you quickly, and I will make war against them with the sword of My mouth.

 

[Grandpa]

If Salvation is gained or maintained by your good works then of course it is a very fragile, shaky thing.

As soon as you don't work hard enough or continue on the right path you've lost it. You must go back and re-earn your salvation.

If Salvation is given as a gift of God then God would have to take back His Gift for Salvation to be lost.

The Bible says that God doesn't take back His Gifts.

Therefore, if you believe the Bible and the Promises of God, Salvation cannot be lost.

 

[roaringkitten]

If Salvation is gained or maintained by your good works then of course it is a very fragile, shaky thing.

As soon as you don't work hard enough or continue on the right path you've lost it. You must go back and re-earn your salvation.

If Salvation is given as a gift of God then God would have to take back His Gift for Salvation to be lost.

The Bible says that God doesn't take back His Gifts.

Therefore, if you believe the Bible and the Promises of God, Salvation cannot be lost.

Amen!

"For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance." Rom 11:29

One of many gifts of God:

"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Rom 6:23

The gift of God, eternal life, cannot be taken away. It's plainly taught in the Scriptures, and backed up by the blood of the Lamb. So many are wrestling the Scriptures to their own destruction, like the ones we see in this verse:

"As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction." 2 Pet 3:16

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

If Salvation is gained or maintained by your good works then of course it is a very fragile, shaky thing.

As soon as you don't work hard enough or continue on the right path you've lost it. You must go back and re-earn your salvation.

Nobody here talks, or even thinks like this, except those who bring it up all of the time as a mischaracterization of the issue. Salvation is secure as long as we continue in it.

 

[Grandpa]

Originally Posted by GrandpaIf Salvation is gained or maintained by your good works then of course it is a very fragile, shaky thing.

As soon as you don't work hard enough or continue on the right path you've lost it. You must go back and re-earn your salvation.

Nobody here talks, or even thinks like this, except those who bring it up all of the time as a mischaracterization of the issue. Salvation is secure as long as we continue in it.

Isn't that how I characterized it?

The mischaracterization is your own...

 

[Grace777x70]

Whenever you hear - "salvation is secure...but or as long as you do something else"...run! That is not the gospel of the grace of Christ.

Philippians 1:6 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.

2 John 1:1-3 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] The elder to the chosen lady and her children, whom I love in truth; and not only I, but also all who know the truth,

[SUP]2 [/SUP] for the sake of the truth which abides in us and will be with us forever:

[SUP]3 [/SUP] Grace, mercy and peace will be with us, from God the Father and from Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.
John 14:16-17 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]
"I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;

[SUP]17 [/SUP] that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you ( Remains, continues ) and will be in you.


We rejoice when people get a revelation of the grace of our Lord Jesus and what He has already done for us with His life and blood and this we pray for all those here in CC. We have a great salvation in our Lord Jesus Christ and a good, loving Father.