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JosephsDreams

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Years ago, when I would speak at church's (obviously, my favorite audience, usually) about health, and what the bible (and science) said about it, I would use the example of Gods view of sin; That even one sin was detestable in Gods eyes, and that one sin brought us to the situation we are living in today. That Gods graciousness and love has given us a new life, apart from the death sin produces.
I would point out that while I understood we are living in a fallen world, one that is a far cry from what God designed for us, that we are short changing ourselves on longevity and quality of life.
I would say that yes, the environment has changed since the days of Adam and Eve, and yes, we are genetically inferior to the original design of Adam and Eve. And that sure, our sin nature and our sinful thoughts are having a negative impact on our health and longevity. And lastly, of course, that we are under the curse of death. No getting away from it. I point out the long lifespans of the patriarchs seem to indicate that before we were genetically compromised (which is what modern day man is), before the planets environment changed, before our diets took a rapid turn for the worse, that God had indeed designed us to live forever. In fact even today, science admits that because our cells continually replicate, they truly can not answer why we should ever die. Of course we Christians know the answer to that. And it seems God has not made many exceptions to that in over 5,500 years. Enoch and Elijah being the two that I am aware of that never died.
God speaks to use in many ways. The symbolism of the OT bible is one of them.
Most of OT symbolism is concerning Jesus, and of course the horrors of our sins. God makes it clear, one sin causes death. Only through Jesus do we have eternal life. On our own accord, there is no room for error. One sin. That's it.
Then I would go on to tell my audience that health wise God has designed us with either the same (which is my belief) tight parameters of perfection.
It was a perfect plan for relationship with God in a environment in which we could have been with Him forever.
That he made the sun in relation to the earth exactly where it is to sustain the only life we are aware of in the universe, that he designed a pre flood world that would have sustained us in immortality had we not sinned. The garden and its plants and higher levels of oxygen, the carbon dioxide gases exchange, the different atmospheric pressure, the firmament above the earth, the food He provided and told us to eat (Gen 1:29) and so on.
Up to this point, most Christians would be with me regarding my statements and biblical and personal comments.
Then I would say that regarding our health we need to look at the things that we have personal control over (not the environment, or who our mom and dad are), which is our diet and lifestyle, and thoughts.
I would say the reason a lot of Christians were not in better health is because they failed to see how God designed us with the parameters He did. It was a delicate balancing act. It goes beyond our understanding, but from what we can see and understand, the perfect balance He designed it as, His perfect sustainable plan for us, would be thrown off by just one changed variable. Well, in our case it was sin.
So we need to take it a step further and see that the same goes for our bodies. They are not like a blunt instrument in which we can hammer a chisel down in any angle with different amounts of force to split a rock.
They have a specific physical design, just as God designed us with a specific spiritual purpose. Go outside those spiritual and physical boundaries and your asking for trouble.
Spiritually so much trouble that God's son had to die a horrible death on the cross to redeem us. Physically so much trouble that we suffer and die before our "appointed" time.
The key I would say is to have a understanding that our bodies have a remarkable God given remedial capability to re set its course, to heal itself if given the chance. But the challenge I would tell them is what is their definition of, their understanding of prompting the body into this healing mode?
This is where the comparison to the strict parameters of sin enter. What many Christians think is a good diet or life style is far off the mark. Like with sin, and how it impairs our relationship with God, how it can put temporary distance from Him until we repent and come back to Him humbly, the same can be said for how we treat our bodies.
The comparison can be made that until we repent of the offences against our bodies, and come into right relationship with it, we will be putting distance between our bodies our body and ourselves from a health standpoint.
So what is right relationship with our bodies. That we love our bodies, and that our bodies approve of how we treat it?
It is like sin, do it once and repent, and you'll likely be on great terms with your body. You'll be healthy, and you and your body will get along great.
Make that offense against your body into a transgression, you'll always be out of relationship with it. And eventually, like the person who is continually rebelling against God, you'll get sick, and finally die.
So what makes a loving, right relationship with our bodies? The boundaries, like with God and sin, are fairly uncompromising. Like with God, there is little or no wiggle room. God is not going to turn away and say you did not sin when you did. He will forgive us, just as our bodies will, if we repent and turn away from it, but it is still a offense to the body.
This is the key.
A lot of Christians think they are "eating well", that they are doing enough with their diets that they believe they are in right relationship with their bodies, but they are not. With sin, as Christians, it is easy to define as to what we consider disobedience to God. We know when we did wrong.
With our bodies, most of us just don't know. We are like baby Christians. or maybe even the world, when it comes to the distance we are putting between us and our bodies in health.
With so much misinformation out there, with so much confusion, it is easy to see why.
The parameters to provoke a body into biological healing are much more narrower then many Christians (and the world) understand. This is the common error. This is why so many Christians (and the world) give up on diet and lifestyle.
They know it makes at least some difference, but like many of us in Christ, never reach that level that truly of sanctification, or consecration.
It is like sin, and transgression with our souls.
Sanctify your bodies.
The parameters are narrow, as is the way to heaven. Don't be deceived. Just like with God, you can't fool the body. It knows when your rebelling against it.
You can't reach a level of biological healing unless you define the parameters, and then you need to discipline yourself to keep within those parameters.
What is more precise, what is more of a wonder to behold? Our bodies, or a prescription drug? Anyone with a background in chemistry, or even some of you without, would you think of taking a prescription drug that was altered even 10% in the way of what it contained, what the ingredients were? No. of course not, chances are it would be altered enough that it would not do what it was designed to do, and it might even harm you.
The same with our wonderfully and miraculously designed bodies, meant to be honored by us because our creator gave us the responsibility and privilege to do so. Go even 10% outside what a ideal diet would be for your bodies, and you've got chaos and havoc.
Most Christians are 40% ton 80% outside those parameters.
Most Americans are never detoxing. Most Americans are in a constant state of intoxicating themselves. Most Americans are in a constant state of putting endogenous materials into their body, non stop. Most modern diets are largely heat-processed and as a result contain high levels of advanced glycation end products (AGEs). Dietary advanced glycation end products (dAGEs) are known to contribute to increased oxidant stress and inflammation, which are linked to the recent epidemics of diabetes and cardiovascular disease.Most Americans are in a constant state of fermentation, oxidation, putrefaction, and inflammation. Most disease starts in the stomach, and most Americans are playing a very good host to pathogens and bacteria in our guts that are a pathway to such condition's.
We have diseases of inflammation, of the heart, of bones, and skin, diseases of addictions and infirmities.
And some Christians think they have followed a diet that is biologically healing, but that is not the case. Not even close in some or most cases.
Build a cage, and then do whatever you want in that cage. But step outside of it, your asking for trouble.
The principals are all there, in the bible.
 
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mar09

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An interesting reread, only a bit long, and JD, u can use the space bars for easier reading-). I wanted to highlight portions, but that means i will read the whole thing agian, so just selected this, and it pertains not only to americans. Maybe why the chinese claim that all diseases start from the gut.

Most Americans are in a constant state of fermentation, oxidation, putrefaction, and inflammation. Most disease starts in the stomach, and most Americans are playing a very good host to pathogens and bacteria in our guts that are a pathway to such condition's.
We have diseases of inflammation, of the heart, of bones, and skin, diseases of addictions and infirmities.
And some Christians think they have followed a diet that is biologically healing, but that is not the case. Not even close in some or most cases.
 

blue_ladybug

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Mar, can you please just post the link to this/these article(s)? It's easier and quicker than copy paste and you won't get in trouble for reposting the article without the author's consent. :)
 

mar09

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Mar, can you please just post the link to this/these article(s)? It's easier and quicker than copy paste and you won't get in trouble for reposting the article without the author's consent. :)
I was referring to jd's post #1.
 

Magenta

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Years ago, when I would speak at churches (obviously, my favorite audience, usually) about health, and what the bible (and science) said about it, I would use the example of God's view of sin; That even one sin was detestable in Gods eyes, and that one sin brought us to the situation we are living in today. That God's graciousness and love has given us a new life, apart from the death sin produces.

I would point out that while I understood we are living in a fallen world, one that is a far cry from what God designed for us, that we are short changing ourselves on longevity and quality of life.

I would say that yes, the environment has changed since the days of Adam and Eve, and yes, we are genetically inferior to the original design of Adam and Eve. And that sure, our sin nature and our sinful thoughts are having a negative impact on our health and longevity. And lastly, of course, that we are under the curse of death. No getting away from it.

I point out the long lifespans of the patriarchs seem to indicate that before we were genetically compromised (which is what modern day man is), before the planet's environment changed, before our diets took a rapid turn for the worse, that God had indeed designed us to live forever. We were designed to live forever only in Jesus Christ.

In fact even today, science admits that because our cells continually replicate, they truly can not answer why we should ever die. Of course we Christians know the answer to that. And it seems God has not made many exceptions to that in over 5,500 years. Enoch and Elijah being the two that I am aware of that never died. Cells replicate their damage.

God speaks to use in many ways. The symbolism of the OT bible is one of them.

Most of OT symbolism is concerning Jesus, and of course the horrors of our sins. God makes it clear, one sin causes death. Only through Jesus do we have eternal life. Amen! On our own accord, there is no room for error. One sin. That's it.

Then I would go on to tell my audience that health wise God has designed us with either the same (which is my belief) tight parameters of perfection.

It was a perfect plan for relationship with God in an environment in which we could have been with Him forever.

That he made the sun in relation to the earth exactly where it is to sustain the only life we are aware of in the universe, that he designed a pre flood world that would have sustained us in immortality had we not sinned. The garden and its plants and higher levels of oxygen, the carbon dioxide gases exchange, the different atmospheric pressure, the firmament above the earth, the food He provided and told us to eat (Gen 1:29) and so on.

Up to this point, most Christians would be with me regarding my statements and biblical and personal comments.

Then I would say that regarding our health we need to look at the things that we have personal control over (not the environment, or who our mom and dad are), which is our diet and lifestyle, and thoughts.

I would say the reason a lot of Christians were not in better health is because they failed to see how God designed us with the parameters He did. It was a delicate balancing act. It goes beyond our understanding, but from what we can see and understand, the perfect balance He designed it as, His perfect sustainable plan for us, would be thrown off by just one changed variable. Well, in our case it was sin.

So we need to take it a step further and see that the same goes for our bodies. They are not like a blunt instrument in which we can hammer a chisel down in any angle with different amounts of force to split a rock.

They have a specific physical design, just as God designed us with a specific spiritual purpose. Go outside those spiritual and physical boundaries and you're asking for trouble.

Spiritually so much trouble that God's son had to die a horrible death on the cross to redeem us. Physically so much trouble that we suffer and die before our "appointed" time.

The key I would say is to have a understanding that our bodies have a remarkable God given remedial capability to re set its course, to heal itself if given the chance. But the challenge I would tell them is what is their definition of, their understanding of prompting the body into this healing mode?

This is where the comparison to the strict parameters of sin enter. What many Christians think is a good diet or lifestyle is far off the mark. Like with sin, and how it impairs our relationship with God, how it can put temporary distance from Him until we repent and come back to Him humbly, the same can be said for how we treat our bodies.

The comparison can be made that until we repent of the offences against our bodies, and come into right relationship with it, we will be putting distance between our bodies our body and ourselves from a health standpoint.

So what is right relationship with our bodies. That we love our bodies, and that our bodies approve of how we treat it?

It is like sin, do it once and repent, and you'll likely be on great terms with your body. You'll be healthy, and you and your body will get along great.

Make that offense against your body into a transgression, you'll always be out of relationship with it. And eventually, like the person who is continually rebelling against God, you'll get sick, and finally die.

So what makes a loving, right relationship with our bodies? The boundaries, like with God and sin, are fairly uncompromising. Like with God, there is little or no wiggle room. God is not going to turn away and say you did not sin when you did. He will forgive us, just as our bodies will, if we repent and turn away from it, but it is still a offense to the body.

This is the key.

A lot of Christians think they are "eating well", that they are doing enough with their diets that they believe they are in right relationship with their bodies, but they are not. With sin, as Christians, it is easy to define as to what we consider disobedience to God. We know when we did wrong.

With our bodies, most of us just don't know. We are like baby Christians. or maybe even the world, when it comes to the distance we are putting between us and our bodies in health.

With so much misinformation out there, with so much confusion, it is easy to see why.

The parameters to provoke a body into biological healing are much more narrower than many Christians (and the world) understand. This is the common error. This is why so many Christians (and the world) give up on diet and lifestyle.

They know it makes at least some difference, but like many of us in Christ, never reach that level that truly of sanctification, or consecration.

It is like sin, and transgression with our souls.

Sanctify your bodies.

The parameters are narrow, as is the way to heaven. Don't be deceived. Just like with God, you can't fool the body. It knows when you're rebelling against it.

You can't reach a level of biological healing unless you define (properly understand) the parameters, and then you need to discipline yourself to keep within those parameters.

What is more precise, what is more of a wonder to behold? Our bodies, or a prescription drug? Anyone with a background in chemistry, or even some of you without, would you think of taking a prescription drug that was altered even 10% in the way of what it contained, what the ingredients were? No. of course not, chances are it would be altered enough that it would not do what it was designed to do, and it might even harm you.

The same with our wonderfully and miraculously designed bodies, meant to be honored by us because our creator gave us the responsibility and privilege to do so. Go even 10% outside what a ideal diet would be for your bodies, and you've got chaos and havoc.

Most Christians are 40% to 80% outside those parameters.

Most Americans are never detoxing. Most Americans are in a constant state of intoxicating themselves. Most Americans are in a constant state of putting endogenous materials into their body, non stop. Most m
odern diets are largely heat-processed and as a result contain high levels of advanced glycation end products (AGEs). Dietary advanced glycation end products (dAGEs) are known to contribute to increased oxidant stress and inflammation, which are linked to the recent epidemics of diabetes and cardiovascular disease. Most Americans are in a constant state of fermentation, oxidation, putrefaction, and inflammation. Most disease starts in the stomach, and most Americans are playing a very good host to pathogens and bacteria in our guts that are a pathway to such conditions.

We have diseases of inflammation, of the heart, of bones, and skin, diseases of addictions and infirmities.

And some Christians think they have followed a diet that is biologically healing, but that is not the case. Not even close in some or most cases.

Build a cage, and then do whatever you want in that cage. But step outside of it, you're asking for trouble.

The principals are all there, in the bible.
Reposted with breaks, and a few comments :)

Good news here! The city of Victoria, capital of British Columbia, has voted against GEs (genetically engineered). Their resolutions are as follows:

They oppose the cultivation of GE crops, plants, and trees in the city of Victoria in the absence of scientific testing on the long-term impact of these crops on human and environmental health;

They call upon the Federal and Provincial governments to implement a regime of mandatory labeling of all GMO (genetically modified organisms) for sale in BC and Canada;

They call upon the Federal and Provincial governments to impose a moratorium on bringing further GMOs to market for sale until a regime of independent and transparent scientific assessment and GMO management is introduced.


They shall forward copies of this resolution to the premiere, prime minister, local members of the legislative assembly, and members of parliament, and member municipalities of the Capital Region.

:)







 

Magenta

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Jane Goodall said, "One day we shall look back on this dark era of agriculture and shake our heads. How could we have ever believed it was a good idea to grow our foods with poisons?"

GMOs are now mostly banned in Europe, and all labelled except in a few cases. Sixty four countries label GMOs (not Canada, though, for the government has been bought out by evil corp who has denied us our right to choose what we eat) and several ban GMOs. None of the promises of big agriculture have come to fruition in the more than twenty years that foods have been modified, ostensibly to feed the starving masses. Six points against GMOs:

1. Typically monocrops, they are the antithesis of biodiversity.

2. Most are modified not to enhance yield or nutritional values, but to express or resist a pesticide or herbicide, some of which are killing off our bees, needed for pollination of crops.

3. Declared by WHO to be probable carcinogens.

4. They cross pollinate, contaminating other crops.

5. They involve patents on life.

6. They are tested and declared safe by the same companies that profit from them.

Despite the millions Big Biotec, Big Food, and Big Ag have spent to stifle GMO labeling, despite the US Dark Act that recently passed, despite the billions in subsidies and lobbying money and corporate science to convince us otherwise, the organics food industry is over 40 billion dollars in the USA and remains one of the fastest growing sectors in food.

Organics does not permit the use of genetically modified organisms. Moreover, the "Non GMO Verified" label is the fastest growing label in the natural food industry. People want to know what they are eating and they do not want genetically engineering in their food.

In British Columbia, there are 16 regions and 61 municipalities who have adopted a GE Free resolution.

Mostly from an article in Common Ground Magazine, issue #301, September 2016
 

Magenta

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The Dark Act(Deny Americans the Right-to-Know)

On June 23, 2016, Senators Pat Roberts (R-Kan.) and Debbie Stabenow (D-Mich.) introduced a compromise bill that would create a mandatory, national labeling standard for GMO foods. This bill was passed by the Senate on July 7th and the House of Representatives on July 14th.

Although this bill is the first mandatory legislation introduced in Congress it falls short of what consumers expect — a simple at-a-glance disclosure on the package. As written, this compromise might not even apply to ingredients derived from GMO soybeans and GMO sugar beets.

In 2014, Vermont became the first state to require mandatory GMO labeling. Connecticut and Maine have also passed GMO labeling laws that will go into effect once neighboring states pass similar laws and other states are currently looking to pass GMO labeling legislation.

In response to these state efforts, Representatives Mike Pompeo (R-Kan.) and G. K. Butterfield (D-N.C.) introduced federal legislation developed by food companies that we in the consumer rights community have dubbed the “Deny Americans the Right-to-Know” Act (DARK Act). This anti-GMO labeling bill passed the House of Representatives in 2015 and Senator Roberts introduced similar legislation in 2016 that was DEFEATED on March 16th. This is not the end of the fight and we need to continue pressing for mandatory GMO labeling on the package.

Senate Republicans will continue to push their agenda of a voluntary standard and we need to keep the pressure on our elected officials that more than 90% of Americans support mandatory GMO labeling, not voluntary.

There is an alternative to the DARK Act. Senator Merkley (D-OR) has introduced a bill that allows the industry different options to comply with a mandatory, on package, solution that will give consumers the information they want. Just Label It supports this bill and encourages constituents to reach out to their Senators and ask them to support this legislation.

The most recent Senate version of the “Deny Americans the Right to Know” (DARK) Act, that was defeated, would have:

  • 1) Preempted states from requiring the labeling of GMO foods.
  • 2) Continued the current, broken voluntary labeling system by permitting companies to use 1-800 numbers, URLs, QR codes and even social media to provide consumers with GMO information.
  • 3) Allowed USDA to determine what GMO information is provided through the voluntary labeling system.
  • 4) Permitted the USDA to require the use of 1-800 numbers, URLs, QR codes or other off-pack disclosure five
    years after enactment.
  • 5) Made it harder for companies like Campbell’s Soup to voluntarily disclose the presence of GMOs.
Americans want the Right to Know:

Americans want an on package disclosure for GMO foods:


Dispelling GMO Labeling Myths:


  • GMO labeling will not increase food prices. Companies frequently change labels to highlight new innovations or to make new claims.
  • Voluntary labeling will not work. Companies have been allowed to make voluntary non-GMO disclosures since 2001, but consumers are more confused than ever.
  • There is no “patchwork quilt.” Current state GMO labeling laws are virtually identical, so there will be no “patchwork quilt” of different state laws. The responsible solution to concerns over a possible future patchwork would be the establishment of a uniform, national mandatory labeling standard.
  • GMO crops do not feed the world. Conventional and GMO corn and soybean yields have increased at the same rate. What’s more, farmersproduce only 4 percent of rice, wheat, fruits, and vegetables, and most U.S. corn and soybeans are used for animal feed and ethanol, not food.
  • GMO crops have increased herbicide applications. Widespread adoption of GMO crops has increased annual applications of glyphosate – a probable human carcinogen – from 16 million pounds to more than 280 million pounds.
  • GMO crops have led to more toxic herbicides. As weeds have become resistant to glyphosate, farmers have turned to more toxic weed killers linked to cancer, Parkinson’s disease, and reproductive problems. GMO Labeling In Congress | Just Label It
 

mar09

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Magenta, i remember posting something on canola oil way back?? I dont remember replies however, but since then i have put away a bottle of canola we got, and used that to oil a rusty gate, for one.

If u search for canola oil, at least half of the first sites that come up say something not good of it, incl. snopes.com, if we believe that. This site has a vid of how it is made:

https://authoritynutrition.com/canola-oil-good-or-bad/
 
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