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Oh, happy day!
Pointing out how Jesus would have us treat each other,
(true brothers and sisters in Christ, that is) is NEGATIVE?!
Ookaay.
Don't be so naïve, about this site, unless you're part of the infiltration.
It's exactly BECAUSE some people have been waking up and being more effective for the cause of Christ, that the enemy has stepped up it's attacks and is employing more seductive tactics.
The problem is then instead of uniting against the enemy, some ppl are compromising with it, and fighting with each other instead, doing the devils work and giving it victory.
Jesus said to His believers, 'They've persecuted me, they'll persecute you', so I consider persecution for Jesus' sake a badge of honor, but it shouldn't come from those who claim to be christians.
But when you start seeing more and more posts in arabic, and quotes from a demonic book rather than God's Word, the bible, and ppl compromising with those that try to twist God's Truth, and arguing with those that try to stand for Jesus, you should know the site is under seige on a larger scale.
Pointing out how Jesus would have us treat each other,
(true brothers and sisters in Christ, that is) is NEGATIVE?!
Ookaay.
Don't be so naïve, about this site, unless you're part of the infiltration.
It's exactly BECAUSE some people have been waking up and being more effective for the cause of Christ, that the enemy has stepped up it's attacks and is employing more seductive tactics.
The problem is then instead of uniting against the enemy, some ppl are compromising with it, and fighting with each other instead, doing the devils work and giving it victory.
Jesus said to His believers, 'They've persecuted me, they'll persecute you', so I consider persecution for Jesus' sake a badge of honor, but it shouldn't come from those who claim to be christians.
But when you start seeing more and more posts in arabic, and quotes from a demonic book rather than God's Word, the bible, and ppl compromising with those that try to twist God's Truth, and arguing with those that try to stand for Jesus, you should know the site is under seige on a larger scale.
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So, you think that this ^ is this:
I think I see now. I meant that your tone was negative--bordering conspiracy theories.
You know, I see this stuff and I think:
I think the a bigger problem is ignorance and bigotry--just because you see a post in Arabic does not mean 'demonic ideas' are being promoted.
God's Word is much more than paper, ink, and glue.
I think I see now. I meant that your tone was negative--bordering conspiracy theories.
You know, I see this stuff and I think:
I think the a bigger problem is ignorance and bigotry--just because you see a post in Arabic does not mean 'demonic ideas' are being promoted.
God's Word is much more than paper, ink, and glue.
The whole thing is not about embarrassment. This is exactly my point in the other post. Your just jumping to conclusions. It is amazing how well you think you know me. The embarrassment is just a symptom of my action. Just like someones disease is often a symptom of their lifestyle, environment and genetics. But you think that is what is all about for me.
As Christians, even among Christians, when we do something that may have been something God would not approve of, we diminish our testimony. Its all about Christ, not me. Your assuming I ma thinking as the world does, but it is not my personal embarrassment. Their are baby Christians here, I ma sure, and non believers that love to see us do this among ourselves. John 17. But God can take something that was meant for evil and turn to good, praise Him.
Second, you might want to lynch me in public, and imply I am a hypocrite, but again, you seem to be lacking in grace. So you saying that because of the that post, I can not say that I can not speak about us in unity? The devil loves to make Christians powerless for the kingdom, to hold their sins over their heads. Guilt, condemnation. The tools of our adversary. Thank you Jesus for what you did for us.
Third, thank you for pointing out my issues to me. Like I don't already know them at 56. I hope it is in love, because frankly Lynn, while I can't assume it isn't, it doesn't seem to me it is. But I can be wrong, and I want to have pessimism, not cynicism, which I believe is yet another tool of satan (that little red line appears every time I spell his name, but I refuse to capitalize the s.
Fourth, I did not, I never did float rumors around by anyone. This is like the third time in a week you said aomething about my actions that is just untrue. Please get your facts straight. What you just did is float a rumor that I float rumors. Whatever flaws I may have had/still have, gossip is not/never was, one of them.
I am not being defensive. What I said about you I think is true. I think you want to be, or sure have seemed to imply, that your judge, jury, and executioner. You said you would put me on the "pay no mind list", then you bash me in 2 or 3 posts after that. What are you trying to accomplish besides show you can't ignore me?
I get it, you don't like what I wrote. A lot of people didn't. I got it. But your the only one continually pointing it out over and over again. That's why I said, just leave me alone. You seem to be lacking in grace. It is enough, your being judgmental now. I wouldn't want to be a child of yours if you rise your kids the same way.
Last, you don't know me. I am making no excuses. In Christ we are new creations. But I suspect you are asking me to a standard you can't keep yourself.
It reminds me of when I became a vegan, I was still eating fast food french fries. It was my only stronghold in context of what I was trying to do. So my wife, who had left me by that time, had a issue with alcohol and would sometimes attend AA meetings. So I said let me go to a OA meeting. The woman heading the meeting was like around 280 lbs. I immediately thought that this stuff doesn't work, look at her. But then she told a brief history, and she was going to OA for about 2 years, and had LOST 140 pds. So I realized, God was showing me something, some people have a further distance to travel then others. And God knows this. Thank God for his mercy and grace and wisdom.
As Christians, even among Christians, when we do something that may have been something God would not approve of, we diminish our testimony. Its all about Christ, not me. Your assuming I ma thinking as the world does, but it is not my personal embarrassment. Their are baby Christians here, I ma sure, and non believers that love to see us do this among ourselves. John 17. But God can take something that was meant for evil and turn to good, praise Him.
Second, you might want to lynch me in public, and imply I am a hypocrite, but again, you seem to be lacking in grace. So you saying that because of the that post, I can not say that I can not speak about us in unity? The devil loves to make Christians powerless for the kingdom, to hold their sins over their heads. Guilt, condemnation. The tools of our adversary. Thank you Jesus for what you did for us.
Third, thank you for pointing out my issues to me. Like I don't already know them at 56. I hope it is in love, because frankly Lynn, while I can't assume it isn't, it doesn't seem to me it is. But I can be wrong, and I want to have pessimism, not cynicism, which I believe is yet another tool of satan (that little red line appears every time I spell his name, but I refuse to capitalize the s.
Fourth, I did not, I never did float rumors around by anyone. This is like the third time in a week you said aomething about my actions that is just untrue. Please get your facts straight. What you just did is float a rumor that I float rumors. Whatever flaws I may have had/still have, gossip is not/never was, one of them.
I am not being defensive. What I said about you I think is true. I think you want to be, or sure have seemed to imply, that your judge, jury, and executioner. You said you would put me on the "pay no mind list", then you bash me in 2 or 3 posts after that. What are you trying to accomplish besides show you can't ignore me?
I get it, you don't like what I wrote. A lot of people didn't. I got it. But your the only one continually pointing it out over and over again. That's why I said, just leave me alone. You seem to be lacking in grace. It is enough, your being judgmental now. I wouldn't want to be a child of yours if you rise your kids the same way.
Last, you don't know me. I am making no excuses. In Christ we are new creations. But I suspect you are asking me to a standard you can't keep yourself.
It reminds me of when I became a vegan, I was still eating fast food french fries. It was my only stronghold in context of what I was trying to do. So my wife, who had left me by that time, had a issue with alcohol and would sometimes attend AA meetings. So I said let me go to a OA meeting. The woman heading the meeting was like around 280 lbs. I immediately thought that this stuff doesn't work, look at her. But then she told a brief history, and she was going to OA for about 2 years, and had LOST 140 pds. So I realized, God was showing me something, some people have a further distance to travel then others. And God knows this. Thank God for his mercy and grace and wisdom.
You'll go back. I kind of go in phases around here. Lol. I haven't been in on the political discussions in the news thread much. I get sort of bored with same ole rehashed ad nauseam arguments around there. People need to step outa their box once in a while. I may even start arguing from the side I don't agree with just to keep it interesting. Lol
And this is cyber space. Now I can see how in TRW their are wars over religion. The problem comes when people think they are so right they can begin to verbally or physically abuse others. Our God does not condone that. In fact most religions don't Islam, which I firmly believe is tool of and from satan, is another story.
Joseph is not in the wrong. The bible discussion forum is called the discussion forum for a reason this is not a debate forum it was never meant to have a blood bath forum in which many who are new to faith or do not yet have thick skin are scared away.
We say there are many posts like this but things will continue on and there isn't anything that can be done about it but this is not true in the least bit. We have self control we are in control of our own words and how we use them we can accept this is just the way things are or we can choose do something about it. Imagine a pebble hitting a pool of water notice how it creates ripples that start out small but gradually grow and increase in both size and radius. Now imagine that pebble is a single soul who chose to take action and the ripples are the effect of that persons action affect lives and hearts all around them.
this is a good analogy for the bible discussion forum, if I recall God is the God of the impossible ripples can be made to change the way the bible discussion forum is but it requires that someone takes action to do so. it isn't that we cannot stop that place from being a place where people simply wish to prove themselves right and call each other names it's simply that we are not willing to anything about it because we seem to have accepted we cannot.
I am sure many of you have heard me say in that place that I intent to still the waters not fan the flame that I do not intent to go into debates to prove myself right but to learn and grow, the reason I say this and do this is because i have not given up I have not accepted that the bdf is the way it is and that we cannot do anything about it. I believe in the impossible I believe that God can and will change that place if there is only a few whose hearts are willing.
There is nothing wrong with debates even heated debates have their purposes however if one goes into that place with wrong motives in their hearts then they will only get caught up in the fire that burns ppl and causes them to flee cc. If we cannot debate in a mature and Christlike manner then I don't think we should be debating at all. If the heart of God is all but non existent in debates then that debate has lost it's value
We say there are many posts like this but things will continue on and there isn't anything that can be done about it but this is not true in the least bit. We have self control we are in control of our own words and how we use them we can accept this is just the way things are or we can choose do something about it. Imagine a pebble hitting a pool of water notice how it creates ripples that start out small but gradually grow and increase in both size and radius. Now imagine that pebble is a single soul who chose to take action and the ripples are the effect of that persons action affect lives and hearts all around them.
this is a good analogy for the bible discussion forum, if I recall God is the God of the impossible ripples can be made to change the way the bible discussion forum is but it requires that someone takes action to do so. it isn't that we cannot stop that place from being a place where people simply wish to prove themselves right and call each other names it's simply that we are not willing to anything about it because we seem to have accepted we cannot.
I am sure many of you have heard me say in that place that I intent to still the waters not fan the flame that I do not intent to go into debates to prove myself right but to learn and grow, the reason I say this and do this is because i have not given up I have not accepted that the bdf is the way it is and that we cannot do anything about it. I believe in the impossible I believe that God can and will change that place if there is only a few whose hearts are willing.
There is nothing wrong with debates even heated debates have their purposes however if one goes into that place with wrong motives in their hearts then they will only get caught up in the fire that burns ppl and causes them to flee cc. If we cannot debate in a mature and Christlike manner then I don't think we should be debating at all. If the heart of God is all but non existent in debates then that debate has lost it's value
Yes I am all to aware of this sometimes people follow certain people around the forums and go for the kill.
I dealt with bullies most of my life and I learned that all they want is for you to talk back to retaliate to respond back in a hateful way much like how trolls seek the very same thing from us when they come here. But fi you either do not respond to them or you simply respond in a calm and Christlike manner then they are not being fed the fire they so deeply crave and lose their fight.
Like I have said before a humble heart has more power in it than heart that proves themselves right I think it would be wise for us to consider why this is
I dealt with bullies most of my life and I learned that all they want is for you to talk back to retaliate to respond back in a hateful way much like how trolls seek the very same thing from us when they come here. But fi you either do not respond to them or you simply respond in a calm and Christlike manner then they are not being fed the fire they so deeply crave and lose their fight.
Like I have said before a humble heart has more power in it than heart that proves themselves right I think it would be wise for us to consider why this is
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I'm not so sure I'm anti-clique or pro-clique. I get there are groups of friends that stick together. I would hope we'd all do that for each other. I even like people in the inner-circle, but I don't like when their sway is so overwhelming the rules are set by them. Two people I liked were banned within the last few weeks that I think would have added value to many of us simply because they were "negative."
Negative, in one case, meant depressed because an addiction held claim. (The first step in getting past an addiction is to admit you have a problem. He admitted it on this site and got banned for his honesty. How safe does that make this place?)
The other one was merely normal enough not to put on the Sunday gotomeeting clothes that is taught so well in churches anymore that people think it is the only thing to be seen from the outside or inside. (He made a small joke with a big message and yet another person, who was already banned last year for the same kind of thing she did to him, turned it into something so much bigger than it was. And the only way she could have as much knowledge as she did was if people really were gossiping about him behind his back. And the weird part is his small joke could have been taken one of two ways. The same thing happened a few days ago between TinTin and I, but please notice -- everyone knows TinTin well enough to know he wouldn't have gone there. But me? I simply couldn't figure out how else to take it until he explained it. Had TinTin been new and the inner-circle thought the same way I did, he would have been banned. So we learned "old timers can say questionable things and have the time to explain themselves. New folks can say stuff and even an alter-ego for a banned member can say the right thing to get him banned. How safe is this site?)
According to what I see here, the only people truly safe on here are people willing to go along with everyone else is mean-spirited, and put on your big boy pants or go away. Accept what is going on or leave.
I do have a couple of things going for me:
1. I wear men's pants, so already have my big boy pants on, even if I am a girl. lol (Well, in the winter time. For some reason they have bibfront shorts for women, so I can wear girls' clothes half the year.)
2. I am responsible for my actions. That means simply because you tell me I "should" doesn't really mean I'm going to. I'll listen more, if you tell me I "should," but only if you have a handle on doing the same thing you think I "should." Otherwise, it's not much different than me telling another smoker to stop smoking. That's pretty laughable.
So, just because you think you're responsible for other people's action, doesn't mean you are or they'll listen. The only thing that sets that possibility up is if the rules are "put your big boy pants on or leave" enforced by "and if you don't, we'll gossip about you and then work together to get you banned."
THAT's what this site has been, except I don't play the game.
I came back because my husband needed a lot of prayers. I will forever be thankful for those who have been praying for him ever since. Most the people who pray for him don't go on BDF, or don't go on often. And when they go on, they go on for their purposes, not to play more games.
I admit I've been on there often lately simply because it takes my mind off real life sometimes. (A sad statement right there. Shouldn't discussing the Bible be about real life? And yet, look at the topics. 95% have nothing to do with real life.) I learned the last time not to take it too seriously, but probably because I've been wearing my big boy pants for so long, I don't even remember what my Sunday gotomeeting clothes look like anymore. It's like an ice hockey game -- lots of fighting with a break here and there for the real purpose of the forum. The rules are clearly set. "Don't care, because if something is important to you, then everyone will come down on you to try to get you to conform."
Strangest thing ever -- JosephDreams conformed yet still didn't like it there. Part of the reason I have hope for you, JD.
But, B1? I'm so not an angel or a hero. Christian? Yeah, but that's Christ that did that for me. Not something I can boast about.
Christ is who we should unite with.
Negative, in one case, meant depressed because an addiction held claim. (The first step in getting past an addiction is to admit you have a problem. He admitted it on this site and got banned for his honesty. How safe does that make this place?)
The other one was merely normal enough not to put on the Sunday gotomeeting clothes that is taught so well in churches anymore that people think it is the only thing to be seen from the outside or inside. (He made a small joke with a big message and yet another person, who was already banned last year for the same kind of thing she did to him, turned it into something so much bigger than it was. And the only way she could have as much knowledge as she did was if people really were gossiping about him behind his back. And the weird part is his small joke could have been taken one of two ways. The same thing happened a few days ago between TinTin and I, but please notice -- everyone knows TinTin well enough to know he wouldn't have gone there. But me? I simply couldn't figure out how else to take it until he explained it. Had TinTin been new and the inner-circle thought the same way I did, he would have been banned. So we learned "old timers can say questionable things and have the time to explain themselves. New folks can say stuff and even an alter-ego for a banned member can say the right thing to get him banned. How safe is this site?)
According to what I see here, the only people truly safe on here are people willing to go along with everyone else is mean-spirited, and put on your big boy pants or go away. Accept what is going on or leave.
I do have a couple of things going for me:
1. I wear men's pants, so already have my big boy pants on, even if I am a girl. lol (Well, in the winter time. For some reason they have bibfront shorts for women, so I can wear girls' clothes half the year.)
2. I am responsible for my actions. That means simply because you tell me I "should" doesn't really mean I'm going to. I'll listen more, if you tell me I "should," but only if you have a handle on doing the same thing you think I "should." Otherwise, it's not much different than me telling another smoker to stop smoking. That's pretty laughable.
So, just because you think you're responsible for other people's action, doesn't mean you are or they'll listen. The only thing that sets that possibility up is if the rules are "put your big boy pants on or leave" enforced by "and if you don't, we'll gossip about you and then work together to get you banned."
THAT's what this site has been, except I don't play the game.
I came back because my husband needed a lot of prayers. I will forever be thankful for those who have been praying for him ever since. Most the people who pray for him don't go on BDF, or don't go on often. And when they go on, they go on for their purposes, not to play more games.
I admit I've been on there often lately simply because it takes my mind off real life sometimes. (A sad statement right there. Shouldn't discussing the Bible be about real life? And yet, look at the topics. 95% have nothing to do with real life.) I learned the last time not to take it too seriously, but probably because I've been wearing my big boy pants for so long, I don't even remember what my Sunday gotomeeting clothes look like anymore. It's like an ice hockey game -- lots of fighting with a break here and there for the real purpose of the forum. The rules are clearly set. "Don't care, because if something is important to you, then everyone will come down on you to try to get you to conform."
Strangest thing ever -- JosephDreams conformed yet still didn't like it there. Part of the reason I have hope for you, JD.
But, B1? I'm so not an angel or a hero. Christian? Yeah, but that's Christ that did that for me. Not something I can boast about.
Christ is who we should unite with.
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I was on this site from April 2015 to about September. And then returned in December. You're still fairly new. (And I'm always amazed how quickly I become accustomed to new folks so they do feel like old folks so quickly. lol) So, I've been here roughly a year. Can't say I've noticed any change on this site since I first started. The number that leave is slightly less than the number that show up, and I think, on average, if someone makes it past her/his first week, she/he lasts about 5 months. As for that extra incoming? They're trolls determined to think they are the ones who can turn us from God through their spiffy arguments. They usually go before they ever get to something-different in their worn-out arguments.
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So, you think that this ^ is this:
I think I see now. I meant that your tone was negative--bordering conspiracy theories.
You know, I see this stuff and I think:
I think the a bigger problem is ignorance and bigotry--just because you see a post in Arabic does not mean 'demonic ideas' are being promoted.
God's Word is much more than paper, ink, and glue.
I think I see now. I meant that your tone was negative--bordering conspiracy theories.
You know, I see this stuff and I think:
I think the a bigger problem is ignorance and bigotry--just because you see a post in Arabic does not mean 'demonic ideas' are being promoted.
God's Word is much more than paper, ink, and glue.
One post before you went back to tried-and-true.
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Where you not only lied about Billyd and Blue Ladybug, but also told them all about who they are falsely.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/134273-mental-health-medications-christians-3.html
You started at post #49, (just to put this is context), but your charges against Ladybug were in #53.
And Billy told you what was wrong with what you were doing on post #92. Which, dagnabit, is the cause of you lying about Billy. (Post #96) And not just about him but about everyone born in his "generation," (whatever that means to you.) BTW, Jim Fixx was older than Billyd, just to clarify. Franco Columbu is Billy's age. Jack Lalanne was older. Just to show you how much you lied to discredit Billyd. But mostly? The guy who calls someone older than him "ignorant" is not "mean-spirited?" Is not a perfect example of what is wrong with BDF?
This IS the post where you show your true face!
The next page or two was you back peddling, never an apology, once more asking for forgiveness, until Blue Ladybug came back and clarified that she can't afford your diet in post #118. Funny thing. She did the same thing I tried to do here -- she gave you the benefit of a doubt.
So what did you do? The same thing you're doing here -- back pedal, lie, lay the blame on others for being "over sensitive," and then lie about why they aren't doing what you told them to do, while being "over sensitive."
The best way for me to forgive someone is try not to remember what he or she did in vivid details, so I can take them as a whole person, and pray for God to give me the strength to forgive.
You asked me to find out where you lied about others and tried to start more rumors? I just did. And in doing so, I now agree with you. You really don't belong on this site. All you do is tell what's wrong with everyone else by, of all things, from something a troll said, his or her age, or medical condition! And then complain because I noticed, or Blue noticed, or Willie noticed, or anyone noticed.
Have a life. I even pray God gives you a good life one day -- one where he is the center. But, feel free to leave. Because you've caused too much hurt of others with clearly no intention of repairing the damage, so my hope for you was a false hope for now. God willing, that changes for you.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/134273-mental-health-medications-christians-3.html
You started at post #49, (just to put this is context), but your charges against Ladybug were in #53.
And Billy told you what was wrong with what you were doing on post #92. Which, dagnabit, is the cause of you lying about Billy. (Post #96) And not just about him but about everyone born in his "generation," (whatever that means to you.) BTW, Jim Fixx was older than Billyd, just to clarify. Franco Columbu is Billy's age. Jack Lalanne was older. Just to show you how much you lied to discredit Billyd. But mostly? The guy who calls someone older than him "ignorant" is not "mean-spirited?" Is not a perfect example of what is wrong with BDF?
This IS the post where you show your true face!
The next page or two was you back peddling, never an apology, once more asking for forgiveness, until Blue Ladybug came back and clarified that she can't afford your diet in post #118. Funny thing. She did the same thing I tried to do here -- she gave you the benefit of a doubt.
So what did you do? The same thing you're doing here -- back pedal, lie, lay the blame on others for being "over sensitive," and then lie about why they aren't doing what you told them to do, while being "over sensitive."
The best way for me to forgive someone is try not to remember what he or she did in vivid details, so I can take them as a whole person, and pray for God to give me the strength to forgive.
You asked me to find out where you lied about others and tried to start more rumors? I just did. And in doing so, I now agree with you. You really don't belong on this site. All you do is tell what's wrong with everyone else by, of all things, from something a troll said, his or her age, or medical condition! And then complain because I noticed, or Blue noticed, or Willie noticed, or anyone noticed.
Have a life. I even pray God gives you a good life one day -- one where he is the center. But, feel free to leave. Because you've caused too much hurt of others with clearly no intention of repairing the damage, so my hope for you was a false hope for now. God willing, that changes for you.
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Went back to what?
Apparently you missed my point.
My point was to show how the guy's post(s) were perceived (by me) as having a very negative undertone.
Does God call his people to have a spirit of timidity and fear or a spirit of confidence and assurance?
For God has not given us a spirit of fear and timidity, but of power, love, and self-discipline. (2 Tim 1:7)
Furthermore, if anyone sees something within someone else's challenged post that someone else has not seen--why not point it out clearly instead of cryptically speaking about it?
Apparently you missed my point.
My point was to show how the guy's post(s) were perceived (by me) as having a very negative undertone.
Does God call his people to have a spirit of timidity and fear or a spirit of confidence and assurance?
For God has not given us a spirit of fear and timidity, but of power, love, and self-discipline. (2 Tim 1:7)
Furthermore, if anyone sees something within someone else's challenged post that someone else has not seen--why not point it out clearly instead of cryptically speaking about it?
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