Rapture= false teaching

[phil36]

The timing of the "rapture" or whatever you want to call it is not clear in the scripture to me. It's not that I haven't studied the scriptures, it's simply that there are scriptures that seem to support pre-trib and and some that seem to support post-trib and some that seem to support some other views as well. I think most things in the scripture (things that have any practical significance) are pretty clear, but eschatology is an exception -- it just seems so riddled (and maybe it's meant to be that way, to an extent). Anyway I'd rather not know than "know" the wrong thing!

I would agree with you on this one, Roboop.

Kind regards

Phil

 

[NoahsDad]

Walt,
No offence intended,
But I cant make head nor tails out of this chart.
It makes absolutly no sense to me what so ever. I've went so far as to print it out follow your key instructions and still No understanding as to what the Hound you are talking about or tryin to point out!
the verses you try to tie together have no bearing on one another in context,you gotta really twist them into a pretzil to even get them to tie together.
You got 8 thunders when there is Absolutly No mention of an 8th thunder. only 7!
Now I aint sayin that God wouldn't give anyone understanding on those 7 thunders or what they are sayin as close as its getin to the end,But I dont think you got it,Personally.
Not sayin this to offend ya ol buddy,I'm just tellin ya,It Dont Make No Sense What So Ever!
And How you got a Rapture squoze up in there is a total mystery to me.
Rev 1:20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.
Now if you want a key to understandin the Revelation to John,this is it.the 7 stars and 7 candlesticks,Now as far as the revelation to Walt?I dont recall readin no Walt in there.
Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
I dont see no Walt there.....
Rev 4:5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.
lam-pas'
From G2989; a "lamp" or flambeau: - lamp, light, torch.
luchnia
lookh-nee'-ah
From G3088; a lamp stand (literally or figuratively): - candlestick.
lam'-po
A primary verb; to beam, that is, radiate brilliancy (literally or figuratively): - give light, shine.
G3088
λύχνος
luchnos
lookh'-nos
From the base of G3022; a portable lamp or other illuminator (literally or figuratively): - candle, light.
G3022
λευκός
leukos
lyoo-kos'
From λύκη lukē ("light"); white: - white.

Notice how lamps and candle sticks go hand in hand.....One gives light the other holds up the thing that gives light.a lamp and a lamp Stand or AKA candle Stick.Theres No mystery to Revelation,Just confusion as to what most Denoms.' are saying it means.Maybe you aughta put this key to use and turn the lock to unlock the meaning for yourself nowHOLLA

 

[walt2000]

Some understand ,Some donnot undersand ,If you can,t if you do not see ,With all the clues I put down .Your not going to even If I retype the Bible. Sorry walt2000​

 

[ryan7477]

What part about those verses said that was going to happen before the tribulation? You see, this is a deception. The Bible says that will not happen untill after the great tribulation, its the greatest lie ever told for many shall have unknowingly partaken in the marriage with Satan and shall not be spiritually virgins.There shall be weeping and nashing of teeth when the true Christ detroys him with the brightness of His coming. The shame of the decieved shall be so great that when they realize their error they shall commit the ultimate sin of denying the Holy Spirit, and there shall be weeping and nashing of teeth. I'm afraid if you follow the first one to come then you have followed the fake Christ(the great deciever, Satan). The world is being prepared. Take heed please, friend.


Peace unto you in Jesus Christ

the great tribulation has come and passed its called the dark ages 1260 years of the roman catholic church murdering christians. message me for historic proof to match with bible prophecy

 

[ryan7477]

I do not know how it can be so dangerous to believe in the rapture when the belief in the rapture is to be always ready by keeping the faith in Jesus Christ. That is the good fight. And I do that by the grace of God as I rely on Him to live as His and abide in Him.

Jesus warned of false prophets coming into the Gentile churches thus leading to judgment falling on the House of God first... the reason for watching and being ready. It is afterwards that the despensation of the Gospel will go back to the Jews because of the falling away of the faith in the Gentiles churches that warranted this judgment whereas only a few will be found keeping that faith.

So for believers thinking that the rapture is some fairytake escape to get out of the great tribulation... no. The rapture is judgment on the House of God as the foolish virgins and the prodigal sons will be left behind where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, but He will finish the work He has begun in them as God the Father will scourge every child He receives.. even if it means going through the great tribulation. ( See Hebrews 12th chapter with 1 Corinthians 3:10-23 with Matthew 7:13-27 & Luke 13:24-30)

Then the evil that falls on all flesh is.. to take the mark of the beast to survive in the New World Order.. or... to live by faith in the Son of God to even die for Him if need be.

So the call is now.. to be ready... abide in Him as you trust Him to help you keep the faith in Jesus Christ in His righteousness which is your wedding garment.

Philippians 3:14I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

Galatians 3: 26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Romans 3:Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

1 Peter 4:16Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. 17For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

2 Timothy 4:1I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

His appearing is a singular event before the great tribulation as the coming of his kingdom is the secondary pre-post great tribulation event.... thus two judgmental event. How can Armegeddon include the House of God when they are to be judged first apart from this coming battle?


2Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. 3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 5But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry. 6For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand. 7I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith: 8Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

Note the appearing? Not a reference to his kingdom... cause the saints will be coming back with Him at the battle of Armegeddon.

Look at how God charged those seven churches in Revelation to be ready:

Revelation 2:21And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 22Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. 23And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.

See that? If they do not repent of their fornication, they are to be casted into the great tribulation.

Revelation 3:9Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. 10Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. 11Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

"...from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth" is the great tribulation.

What crown is that? The one given at His appearing.

2 Timothy 4:7I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith: 8Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

So the rapture is judgment on the House of God first at His appearing because of the falling away of the faith in which the Gentiles whom got the despensation of the Gospel because the Jews rejected Jesus as Their Messiah, but now, due to the falling away of the faith, the despensation of the Gospel will go back to the Jews, hence the 144,000 witnesses + for the great tribulation period.

May the Lord keep me in His grace by having me ready and abiding in Him for His appearing to His glory.

1 John 3: 3And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

Jude 1:24Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, 25To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
I am certain that if you are abiding in Christ in keeping the faith, you will not be complaining when He brings you Home for the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. I am sure anyone's speechlessness will be followed by outbursts of praise and singing.

the mark of the beast is sunday worship so...... i doubt a whole lot most are ready for the second coming of CHRIST also to preach a secret rapture is dangerous because it is not of GOD wich means its of satan light can not live with darkness thAT is why it is a big deal

 

[Zilla64007]

ryan7477, historicism was invented during the Protestant reformation... so was postmillennialism.
and from what I'm gathering, when you speak of sunday worship as the mark of the beast, I gather that you are most likely a Seventh Day Adventist

I personally used to be a historicist, until i stopped listening to others and started to read the Bible by itself.

 

[walt2000]

Revelations Of Seven Thunders Explaining Flash Card
Those lines and ovals ,as you call them are similarity's between the thunders.And the area around the Thunders are really self explanatory.

GET MY CHART AND LOOK.

7 the top horizontal line is Christ's victory,in yellow.
6 next horizontal line is in Red ,The no. of Man.
5 line next is Christ's protection,souls protected,Come up my people.Word
4 line from the top is the no. of Earth.
3 line is the trinity no.Father(God),Son Of (God),Holy spirit, Word of (God)
2 this line is the union With (God)
1 is the no. of unity,(God)
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7 promises to the church's on the Earth ,things Thu seen,with (God)

The first four 1,2,3,4, are the four spirits that roam the Earth.

7 th.Thunder vertically is mystery Babylon White horse winner on Earth.
6 th. Thunder vertically is man.on Earth
5.th. Thunder vertically is Babylon Fallen Preaching to the Earth.

4.th. Thunder vertically is The word on the Earth.
3 rd. Thunder vertically is witnesses on Earth.
2 nd. Thunder vertically is union with Christ on Earth.
1 st. Thunder vertically is White horse ,winner with Christ on Earth.

5,6,7 is the consequences of the word .The trinity on Earth

even a
Fundamentalist Should see that lay ed out.To not see that, is a disservice,two the author.
look how the victory lines up at the top.
look how the winepress's line up ,next down.
look at Earth Quakes and the Great river line up horizontally.
look at the promised White clothed protection line up horizontally.
look how come up my people lines up with come out my people.
look how the seals,1,2,3,4,5,6,7 line up with the trumpets,and vials line up with each other.
look how wormwood on water,blood on water,line up
look how burning mountain in sea ,and blood on sea ,line up.
look how the two Babylons line up with each other.
look how The Thunders start with a White Horse,and end with a White horse .

And that is just ten item's,there are gemartria connections yet to them all ..

Revelations Of Seven Thunders Explaining Flash Card
Those lines and ovals ,as you call them are similaritys between the thunders.And the area around the Thunders are really self explanatory.


The Number 7
The number 7 perhaps speaks of perfection or completeness. God's complete provision in His dealings with men.
Some examples:
7 days make a complete week
7 colors make a perfect spectrum
7 great land masses form a complete earth
7 notes make a perfect scale
7 great bodies of water form a complete ocean
There were the 7 days of creation as well as many other examples throughout the Scriptures:
Zech 3:9 For behold, the stone that I have laid before Joshua: upon the stone are seven eyes. Behold, I will engrave its inscription,' says the LORD of hosts, `And I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.
Rev 1:4 John, to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne,
To the Jew every 7th day was a Sabbath.
Every 7th year was a Sabbatical year.
After the 7th Sabbatical year was the year of Jubilee.
Every 7th month was holy and had 3 feasts.
There were 7 weeks between Passover and Pentecost.
The Passover feast lasted 7 days.
The feast of Tabernacles lasted 7 days.
At Passover 14 lambs (7 twice) were offered daily.
At Tabernacles 14 lambs (7 twice) and 70 bullocks were offered.
At Pentecost 7 lambs were offered.
The time of mourning the dead was fixed to 7 days.
and so on...
Seven continues to have symbolic prominence in the New Testament, with Jesus telling Peter that it is not enough that he forgive the brother who had sinned against him seven times, but "seventy times seven" (Matthew 18:21-22). Seven is also the number of Greek-speaking Christians appointed by the Twelve Apostles in Acts 6:3.
The New Testament concludes in a "great surge of sevens, with hep tads, explicit and implicit, tumbling forth from many verses."
In the Book of Revelation there were:
The 7 letters to the 7 Churches.
The 7 Seal Judgments
The 7 Trumpet Judgments
The 7 Bowl Judgments
The 7 Golden Lamp stands
The 7 Stars
The 7 Angels
The 7 Spirits of God
The Lamb with 7 Horns and 7 Eyes.
The 7 Lamps of Fire
The 7 Thunders
The Fiery Red Dragon with 7 heads and 7 Crowns.
The Leopard-Like Beast with 7 heads.
The Scarlet-Colored Beast with 7 heads.
The 7 Mountains The 7 Kings

interrupt. Revelations.
Some understand ,Some do'not understand ,If you can,t if you do not see ,With all the clues I put down .Your not going to even If I retype the Bible. Sorry walt2000​

 

[walt2000]

the great tribulation has come and passed its called the dark ages 1260 years of the roman catholic church murdering christians. message me for historic proof to match with bible prophecy[/quote

]That is the start of Thunder no. Three.
Three is The Trinity no. in Germatria.
1260 days =Half of seven Years next is
42 months or 1260 = half of seven
2 halfs of 7 = Christian plus Jew
7 in germatria perfect no.

SEVEN: Spiritual perfection and fullness or completion. It is the number of Covenant and of the Holy Spirit.

• 7 is the second perfect number.
• In Hebrew 7 is shevah (shebah) from the root shava (shaba or sheba), to be full.
• God rested on the seventh day (Saturday) after creation [Genesis 2:2]
• To swear an oath in Hebrew is “to seven oneself”
• There are seven gifts of the Holy Spirit (CCC#1831; Isaiah 11:1)
• The sacred Menorah has 7 branches, six on each side of a central shaft, and 7 cup shaped lamps for the olive oil
• There were 7 classes of furniture in the Tabernacle: Bronze Altar, Bronze Laver, Golden Menorah, Golden Table of the Bread of the Presence, Golden Altar of Incense, Ark of the Covenant, and the Seat of Atonement
• The Tabernacle was built in 6 days and dedicated on the 7th [Exodus 40:17]
• It took Solomon 7 years to build the Temple in Jerusalem. [ 1 Kings 6:37-38]
• There are 7 holy annual feast days in the Sinai Covenant [Leviticus 23:1-44]
• The Feast of Passover is the 1st month of the liturgical year but the 7th month of the civil year. [Exodus 12:1-2]
• The Feast of Tabernacles completes the cycle of Holy Days on the 7th month of the liturgical year.[Leviticus 23:33-43]
• There are multiple sevens in the Book of Revelation including
  • seven Spirits of God [ Revelation 4:5]
  • seven Seals [ Revelation 5:1]
  • seven Angels with Seven Chalices [ Revelation 15:5-7]
• mammals and birds have a gestation of multiples of 7:

walt2000

 

[walt2000]

Rev.11/4 These are two olive trees and the two lamp stands that stand before the Lord of the Earth.walt2000​

 

[walt2000]

Rev.6/5 not hurt the oil and wine( Do not hurt Oil = Jew ---Do not hurt wine= Christian ) Promised protection.walt2000​

 

[Zilla64007]

and where exactly does it say in Revelation, let alone the Bible, that oil represents a Jew and wine represents a Christian?...

 

[walt2000]

Ask a Catholic ,or a Jew of oil and wine in the mass.​

 

[walt2000]

or better jet ask a Rabi,or a Priest.walt2000​

 

[walt2000]

wormwood in the water
wormwood ( poison )
in the water( word )
Poisoned word.walt2000​

 

[walt2000]

The Dragon vomits on the woman with child.
And what did the Earth do ?​

 

[walt2000]

Rev.6/5 not hurt the oil and wine( Do not hurt Oil = Jew ---Do not hurt wine= Christian ) Promised protection.walt2000​

 

[miktre]

Rev.6/5 not hurt the oil and wine( Do not hurt Oil = Jew ---Do not hurt wine= Christian ) Promised protection.walt2000​

Why don't you start your own thread instead of hijacking this one.

 

[walt2000]

Rev.6/5 not hurt the oil and wine( Do not hurt Oil = Jew ---Do not hurt wine= Christian ) Promised protection.
Rev.12/16 the earth helped by opening it's mouth and swallowing the(vomit ) river that the dragon had spewed out of his mouth.walt2000​

 

[walt2000]

The Earth( Excepts ) Swallows the Vomit .??? ​

 

[walt2000]

Blood on the waters (martyrs ) word
Blood on Sea ' (nations )​