Rapture= false teaching

[Ojo]

Thanks the world in Isaiah 13:11 does not include Britain or Kenya?

 

[valiant]

Thanks the world in Isaiah 13:11 does not include Britain or Kenya?

certainly not Britain probably not Kenya. it is the ancient near east that was in Isaiah's mind.

 

[Ojo]

I don't see it that way, but let us move to Revelation 20:8. Who are in the city of the saints or the camp of God's people - if not believers who were supposed to be raptured?

Secondly, in Isaiah 65:17 on the new heaven and new earth (I believe that those are the surviving saints). Where do they come from if not from the believers who were alive during the destruction of the earth by fire?

Remember they cannot be risen dead because Jesus says when the dead rise to life they will be like angels and will not marry? (Matt 22:30)

My main point is that the risen dead will be spirits in paradise. The surviving believers will be in the new earth.

 

[WorldWithoutEnd]

Well, let's look at some Greek words.

There is "ouranos" [#3772], this is celestial heaven itself which is used in Matthew 24:30 & 2 Corinthians 12:2.

There is "mesouranema" [#3321], this is mid-heaven, the visible skies above us used only three times and they are all in Revelation... 8:13; 14:6; 19:17

There is "aer" [#109], this is the air at the surface of the earth, the air that we breathe, and it also metaphorically represents the spiritual realm, this word is used in Acts 22:23; 1 Corinthians 9:26, 14:9; Ephesians 2:2; 1 Thessalonians 4:17 (yes the notorious "Rapture" verse).

This causes quite a dilemna, because Matthew 24:30 states Jesus is in the invisible celestial heaven.

Yet, in 1 Thessalonians 4:17, Jesus is either in the invisible spiritual realm or he is on the very surface of the earth. Does this describe a Rapture?

No!

Furthermore, the Greek word used for "meet" is "apantesis" [#529], which is used only three times in the New Testament, Matthew 25:6; Acts 28:15, and 1 Thessalonians 4:17.

Another new form of celebration, again almost unknown in pre-Hellenistic Greece, is the ritualised reception of kings, Roman magistrates, and foreign envoys in cities. There would be watchmen of the city looking for their king to come marching in which, the city gates would be opened wide and formal procession would meet the king partway and escort him back into their cities. And the streets would be lined with his patron citizens to greet him with celebrations, etc.

So, yes, the Rapture is a false doctrine because it contradicts the original Greek in every conceivable way. This is is not what the Greek is teaching. Paul was using the customs and cultures of his day to express the coming of Christ to deliver his church, the dead believers from Hades and the living believers from the Tribulation in A.D. 70.

Hellenistic Formal Receptions and Paul's Use of APANTESIS in 1 Thessalonians 4:17

 

[WorldWithoutEnd]

Christ said the gates of hell will not prevail against the church, this includes any Anti-Christ TOO. Matthew 16:18

Christ said his kingdom does not come with observation. Luke 17:20

Christ said his kingdom is within us, when he reigns in our hearts. Luke 17:21

Christ prayed his saints would never be taken and removed off the earth. John 17:15,20

Christ said his kingdom is not of this world. John 18:36

Paul wrote the church age is the world without end. Ephesians 3:21

Paul wrote Christ's blood represents the everlasting covenant. Hebrews 13:20

The Rapture is a deception being played on the church today that has insurmountable evidence against it both in the Scriptures and in the original Greek.

 

[tanach]

Watchman is right. When I saw this heading I thought it meant the Rapture teaching in the Bible being false. Unfortunately
the term has been distorted and now any mention of the subject is judged by Pre trib teachings.

 

[Hepsibah]

Rapture

Matthew 25:10
While they went to buy oil the bridegroom came and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding and the door was shut

Time: Midnight (Matthew 25:6)

Open Coming

Luke 12:35
You yourselves be like men who wait for their master when he will return from the wedding that when he comes and knocks they may open to him immediately

Time: second or third watch (Luke 12:38)

During Rapture The Lord comes at midnight as the Bridegroom to take the bride for wedding
Then The Lord returns from the wedding and openly comes to take the rest.

Those people left in the rapture will know that those prepared have gone to the wedding. They will now have to wait for the master to return from the wedding

 

[tanach]

BLC It would take several pages to answer your questions, so to give you an alternative to Pre Trib writings try getting hold of one or more of these titles. They explain the Pre wrath raptur position and site the scriptures to support them without all the wild speculation you might be used to.

Before Gods Wrath, the Bible's answer to the timing of the rapture by H L Nigro
Antichrist Before The Day of the Lord. What every Christian needs to know before the return of Christ by Alan Kurzweil
A Heresy Reconsidered by Jeremy Nascimento
The Hope of Christs Second Coming by Samual Prideau
All of these can be obtained through Amazon either as a Kindal Editiion or in Book Form

 

[prodigal]

[h=1]Matthew 13:24-30New King James Version (NKJV)[/h][h=3]The Parable of the Wheat and the Tares[/h]24 Another parable He put forth to them, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; 25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. 26 But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. 27 So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ 28 He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The servants said to him, ‘Do you want us then to go and gather them up?’ 29 But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.”’”