Catholic Church the European Union and the deception

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PetriFB

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Jean Monnet was a devout Roman Catholic and one of the founding fathers of the European Union. Monnet rejected the idea that Europe should consist of independent nations. He believed in the Catholic conception and vision that Europe should become a federal superstate that would be a fusion of all ancient nations.


I know that many readers think that I write conspiracy theory based on imagination. This is not a conspiracy theory, because　all people can 　see and observe　the connection of the Roman Catholic Church and the European Union, if they are looking this thing from the right viewpoints, which are based on verifiable facts. If you study the things fairly, honestly and an open mind, so you can see the handprints of Catholic Church how it tries to create Catholic Empire to Europe through European Union.


More info and verified facts: Pope Catholic Church Europe Union Mary tower of the Babel
 
Spherical

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PetriFB said:
Jean Monnet was a devout Roman Catholic and one of the founding fathers of the European Union. Monnet rejected the idea that Europe should consist of independent nations. He believed in the Catholic conception and vision that Europe should become a federal superstate that would be a fusion of all ancient nations.


I know that many readers think that I write conspiracy theory based on imagination. This is not a conspiracy theory, because　all people can 　see and observe　the connection of the Roman Catholic Church and the European Union, if they are looking this thing from the right viewpoints, which are based on verifiable facts. If you study the things fairly, honestly and an open mind, so you can see the handprints of Catholic Church how it tries to create Catholic Empire to Europe through European Union.


More info and verified facts: Pope Catholic Church Europe Union Mary tower of the Babel
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The Vatican 2 higher-ups are trying to create an Illuminati-Freemasonic empire, which is in no way Catholic.
 
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Spherical said:
The Vatican 2 higher-ups are trying to create an Illuminati-Freemasonic empire, which is in no way Catholic.
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A vast majority of Europeans are already Catholics. There are a lot of things wrong with the EU but the Illuminati are not at the top of most peoples lists. We are having a referendum about our Membership in June I hope we vote to leave and get our Sovereignty back. Obama is coming here this week to lecture us all as to why we should stay in. Its not going down well here. Its like us sending David Cameron to tell the US who to vote in as President.
 
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PetriFB said:
Jean Monnet was a devout Roman Catholic and one of the founding fathers of the European Union. Monnet rejected the idea that Europe should consist of independent nations. He believed in the Catholic conception and vision that Europe should become a federal superstate that would be a fusion of all ancient nations.


I know that many readers think that I write conspiracy theory based on imagination. This is not a conspiracy theory, because　all people can 　see and observe　the connection of the Roman Catholic Church and the European Union, if they are looking this thing from the right viewpoints, which are based on verifiable facts. If you study the things fairly, honestly and an open mind, so you can see the handprints of Catholic Church how it tries to create Catholic Empire to Europe through European Union.


More info and verified facts: Pope Catholic Church Europe Union Mary tower of the Babel
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If that was true they are making a lousy job of it.
 
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PetriFB said:
Jean Monnet was a devout Roman Catholic and one of the founding fathers of the European Union. Monnet rejected the idea that Europe should consist of independent nations. He believed in the Catholic conception and vision that Europe should become a federal superstate that would be a fusion of all ancient nations.


I know that many readers think that I write conspiracy theory based on imagination. This is not a conspiracy theory, because　all people can 　see and observe　the connection of the Roman Catholic Church and the European Union, if they are looking this thing from the right viewpoints, which are based on verifiable facts. If you study the things fairly, honestly and an open mind, so you can see the handprints of Catholic Church how it tries to create Catholic Empire to Europe through European Union.


More info and verified facts: Pope Catholic Church Europe Union Mary tower of the Babel
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FranC

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PetriFB said:
Jean Monnet was a devout Roman Catholic and one of the founding fathers of the European Union. Monnet rejected the idea that Europe should consist of independent nations. He believed in the Catholic conception and vision that Europe should become a federal superstate that would be a fusion of all ancient nations.


I know that many readers think that I write conspiracy theory based on imagination. This is not a conspiracy theory, because　all people can 　see and observe　the connection of the Roman Catholic Church and the European Union, if they are looking this thing from the right viewpoints, which are based on verifiable facts. If you study the things fairly, honestly and an open mind, so you can see the handprints of Catholic Church how it tries to create Catholic Empire to Europe through European Union.


More info and verified facts: Pope Catholic Church Europe Union Mary tower of the Babel
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Hi Petri
It doesn't take a conspiracy minded person to note many things. I know a lot of people who know that the EU has something up its sleeve that is secretive and mysterious. It's obvious we're being made to become poor and downtrodden. The reason is a mystery to me, as well as to other "normal" non-conspiracy types.

This Pope is certainly for a one-world religion. Everything he does is going in that direction. This week alone he invited back into the church the Society of Pope Pius X that had abandoned the Catholic church after Vatican II - with the understanding that they could practice as Pre-Vatican II. just to show that this pope will do anything to unify.

As for the Catholic church desiring to control the European Union. This is a rather funny idea on your part. It might have been true at the time of Monnet, but it certainly is no longer true today. Pope John Paul and Pope Benedict tried in vain to affect votes in Brussels in favor of Catholic ideals but they were turned down.

To say nothing of the fact that Catholicism is no longer a strong power in either Italy or the EU. Churches are closing everywhere, there's a shortage of priests, and secularism reigns supreme.

Wouldn't Catholicism have to be powerful to make your assertions attainable?

I can see no connection between the EU and the Catholic church except, perhaps, in wishful thinking.

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it should be the vatican and the EU. not the Catholic church. you think your every day Catholic has any idea what goes on in the vatican. its no different than the non catholic Christians and our non catholic Christian leaders at the top of every denomination which many are high ranking freemasons.
 
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jaybird88 said:
it should be the vatican and the EU. not the Catholic church. you think your every day Catholic has any idea what goes on in the vatican. its no different than the non catholic Christians and our non catholic Christian leaders at the top of every denomination which many are high ranking freemasons.
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I happen to be here doing paperwork.
The average, everyday Catholic doesn't know what's going on generally.

But, what to you is the difference between the Vatican and the CC?

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I happen to be here doing paperwork.
The average, everyday Catholic doesn't know what's going on generally.

But, what to you is the difference between the Vatican and the CC?

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the avg Catholic wants to serve the Lord the best they can, the vatican wants to manipulate and control people a specific direction. same as non catholic church, same as countries, kingdoms and empires are run. the few want to control the many. its always been this way, things never change.
 
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jaybird88 said:
the avg Catholic wants to serve the Lord the best they can, the vatican wants to manipulate and control people a specific direction. same as non catholic church, same as countries, kingdoms and empires are run. the few want to control the many. its always been this way, things never change.
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I agree. Did you see Cloud Atlas?

I'm just wondering, since the Catholic church has no more power, HOW it wants to control people and what direction it would want them to go in.

It seems like Pope Francis is very liberal and is loosening things up.

Yes. Maybe every church is controlling. We do need a church, but I never depend on one.
I depend on the Lord. I hope He'll be happy with this when my time comes...

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I agree. Did you see Cloud Atlas?

I'm just wondering, since the Catholic church has no more power, HOW it wants to control people and what direction it would want them to go in.

It seems like Pope Francis is very liberal and is loosening things up.

Yes. Maybe every church is controlling. We do need a church, but I never depend on one.
I depend on the Lord. I hope He'll be happy with this when my time comes...

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vatican still has lots of power, its one of the trinity cities.

i used to think church was everything but IMO Jesus emphasized it was our own individual relationship with the Father that was most important. church should be where we praise and worship the Lord most High. our relationship should not be defined by what church we go to, but rather the life we live.
 
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jaybird88 said:
vatican still has lots of power, its one of the trinity cities.

i used to think church was everything but IMO Jesus emphasized it was our own individual relationship with the Father that was most important. church should be where we praise and worship the Lord most High. our relationship should not be defined by what church we go to, but rather the life we live.
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This would be complicated to get into JayBird.
I think Jesus meant for Christians to stick together and be united.
Remember in Acts how they sold their things to get money to share and
how they were very together all the time? I think this is what Jesus meant
for those who follow Him. It just seems like it can't be done - maybe we're too "worldly"?

But I do agree with you that our relationship with Him is to be personal. After all, it's Jesus who saves, not the church.
The church is for what you said, and also for being together with other Christians since this is also necessary. The world doesn't care too much about God...

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FranC said:
This would be complicated to get into JayBird.
I think Jesus meant for Christians to stick together and be united.
Remember in Acts how they sold their things to get money to share and
how they were very together all the time? I think this is what Jesus meant
for those who follow Him. It just seems like it can't be done - maybe we're too "worldly"?

But I do agree with you that our relationship with Him is to be personal. After all, it's Jesus who saves, not the church.
The church is for what you said, and also for being together with other Christians since this is also necessary. The world doesn't care too much about God...

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i agree. our Lord likes us to come together in groups, as those that serve Him, to praise, worship, study, fellowship and all the rest.
i dont think our walk with the Lord should be dependent on the church, it could lead one to think the church will do it for you. Jesus said He will not pray for us. i think he was teaching He is the way, the life but it is up to us to reach out, establish this and grow using what he taught. a balance between the two.
 
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You know there comes a time in one's life where you must realize that sure it is possible to make mistakes by being Catholic when first trying to walk with the Lord but people who read scripture for years and years and still profess Catholics are the only true Christians may be in serious rebellion in my humble opinion. I mean seriously people on crack rock could probably understand that not being a Catholic doesn't mean you are going to hell.
 
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You know there comes a time in one's life where you must realize that sure it is possible to make mistakes by being Catholic when first trying to walk with the Lord but people who read scripture for years and years and still profess Catholics are the only true Christians may be in serious rebellion in my humble opinion. I mean seriously people on crack rock could probably understand that not being a Catholic doesn't mean you are going to hell. I don't mean this to be rude but to wake people up. We must learn to reverance God correctly and stop playing around with salvation as if God' s wrath isn't real.
 
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I apologize if my last posts sounded too harsh. The truth is that we Christians need to realize that when the book of 1 John says that the whole world lies in wait we must realize that many may be posing as beleivers. Take for instance the website biblehub.com where one of the commentaries claim that Jesus Christ is the white horse of the four horsemen of the Apocalypse. I mean how can someone come to the conclusion logically as a professing Christian enough to state it on a Bible website?
 
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Eternallife said:
You know there comes a time in one's life where you must realize that sure it is possible to make mistakes by being Catholic when first trying to walk with the Lord but people who read scripture for years and years and still profess Catholics are the only true Christians may be in serious rebellion in my humble opinion. I mean seriously people on crack rock could probably understand that not being a Catholic doesn't mean you are going to hell. I don't mean this to be rude but to wake people up. We must learn to reverance God correctly and stop playing around with salvation as if God' s wrath isn't real.
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Are your two posts directed at anyone in particular?
Or is this a general post?

Fran
 
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it's a general post.
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People will tend to believe what they've heard all their life.
Plus, Catholics are not very adventurous and tend not to listen to anything unless it's CATHOLIC.
So how would they know anything else?? They don't.
Plus, they're told they're the ONE TRUE CHURCH. It could go to your head, know what I mean?
They aren't the most humble people on earth since they believe they have the whole truth and other Christians have only partial truth.

So, yeah. I agree with you. I do know some born again Catholics, BTW.

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FranC said:
People will tend to believe what they've heard all their life.
Plus, Catholics are not very adventurous and tend not to listen to anything unless it's CATHOLIC.
So how would they know anything else?? They don't.
Plus, they're told they're the ONE TRUE CHURCH. It could go to your head, know what I mean?
They aren't the most humble people on earth since they believe they have the whole truth and other Christians have only partial truth.

So, yeah. I agree with you. I do know some born again Catholics, BTW.

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I'm not trying to argue please understand that right now. God shows us enough of His existence that no one is without an excuse. So yes while some have been taught it all their lives, God tells us in His word that no one has an excuse. Also after reading God's word for years myself personally I have to say that many are trying to pass off folly as the true word of God. Not just Catholics but many other denominations as well. I mean when I first attempted to walk with Christ I went to a Catholic church a few times, however, the longer I stayed in scriptures the more I realized that it is so far from what God is trying to convey to us. Not to seem like I' m trying to just trying to pick on Catholics are something, but many other Church buildings I have attended are not speaking the truth as well. I guess what I'm trying to say is that it seems that many are making light of the Good news and that I would hate to read some of their condemnation the Lord leaves them in scriptures.
 
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