Forty years (or so) of feminism. Has it changed the way woman view themselves? Has...

[psychomom]

feminism hasn't changed the way i see myself one iota.
probably because though my parents had four daughters, neither one ever gave any of us the slightest inkling we were 'less than' because we're females. especially not dad, whose opinion might have been, oh, i wish i had a son!

but it wasn't! he and mom both gave us every reason to think we were capable, intelligent people.
and partly because dad was so cool, i married a man like him.
we raised 5 daughters and a son, and i hope didn't give the girls a reason to think their brother had something on them.
some of the girls are college grads and two have their own businesses. they're all intelligent, capable people.

when i see old films portraying pretty young ladies being chased around a desk, i think it's really good there's been some adjustment to that behavior. bleh!
i was born in 1959 and never had a boss or employer who didn't take me on my own merits and treat me like another human being... guess God has blessed me that way.

back in the 70s, mom used to say, feminism isn't running out and getting a job... it's knowing you can if you want to.
and yes, i stayed home with our kiddos, for the most part, and am truly glad i had that choice, too.
i'm more about human rights... all people. the world over.

(oh, yeah, and our son is also pretty great )

 

[presidente]

Overall, I'd say feminism has been a big negative for society.

The radical feminism in the '60's is basically Marxism. Men or 'the patriarchy' become the dominant class with the means of production. Women substitute for the proletariate. The philosphy creates class warfare between men and women and makes women out to be perpetual victims.

Imagine 1850. A shopkeeper has several employees who are single. One of them, a young man, gets married. The shopkeeper thinks to himself that the young man has to support a family. He's also likely to work hard and be committed to the job. So he gives the young man a raise. Is that immoral? Feminism would tell us it is. That sort of situation may be one of the reasons why, in the past, men made more money than women. The idea that the state should intrude on the shopkeeper's decision making and not let him be generous (like the owner in the parable of the vineyard) is a very left-wing notion.

I heard an academic presentation once that presented evidence that after controlling for a number of factors, women made more than women. The factors included dangerous and dirty jobs and the number of hours. Men work more hours on average. His research showed that at about 44 hours per week, the amount on average earned per hour went way up. It's not linearly additive. Men tend to work the longer hours, do the dirty jobs.

Many of the non-college educated jobs that pay well are rather tough and dirty jobs. Carpenters, plumbers, and electricians can be paid rather well, earning as much as college graduates. But these are tough or dirty jobs that require a lot of overtime. Unions would welcome women into these professions, but not many women want to work construction. Women prefer jobs like school teacher or social worker, which don't pay as much. Nursing has paid well for several decades, and many women work in that field.

We also know that a lot of women do drop out of the workforce to have children, which can effect their income as well.

 

[presidente]

One of the major problems that has come along with feminism is disobedience to scripture in the area of marriage. TV, the movies, and other media teach against the idea that a woman should submit to her husband. It's presented in a negative light. We rarely see portrayals of a family where a man is in charge in a positive light on TV, unless it is a really old TV show. The subject is so sensitive, many preachers don't want to teach on it. Many women grew up without a role model from their mothers or grandmothers submitting to their husbands.

Along with feminism came no-fault divorce and social acceptance of divorce. These things are all interrelated.

The laws God gave Israel required that inheritance be passed through the male line. If a man had no heirs, land could be passed to daughters, but only if they married within the father's clan, which kept the land in the same patriarchal lineage. This is a patriarchal law. The law that allowed men to cancel their wives and daughters vows are also clearly patriarchal. Wives submitting to husbands is patriarchal. So patriarchy is Biblical, not some evil system that women must unite against in some kind of class warfare.

The Bible doesn't give anyone the right to vote. In American society, women got suffrage shortly after suffrage for men. But it is not immoral for a society to be set up so that men primarily lead and govern the society, as Israel was. It isn't immoral for men to vote on behalf of their households comprised of men and women, for example. We have no reason to think that God is in favor of universal suffrage or that He shares American or western European beliefs about voting or democracy.

One of the things that irritates me about left-wing social justice warriors that profess to be Christians is that often their concepts of social justice have little to do with social justice revealed in scripture and sometimes contradicts it.

 

[Miri]

Oh you have just answered my question, manism does exist. Lol

 

[Miri]

Wonder if there is grandparentism

 

[coby2]

Overall, I'd say feminism has been a big negative for society.

The radical feminism in the '60's is basically Marxism. Men or 'the patriarchy' become the dominant class with the means of production. Women substitute for the proletariate. The philosphy creates class warfare between men and women and makes women out to be perpetual victims.

Imagine 1850. A shopkeeper has several employees who are single. One of them, a young man, gets married. The shopkeeper thinks to himself that the young man has to support a family. He's also likely to work hard and be committed to the job. So he gives the young man a raise. Is that immoral? Feminism would tell us it is. That sort of situation may be one of the reasons why, in the past, men made more money than women. The idea that the state should intrude on the shopkeeper's decision making and not let him be generous (like the owner in the parable of the vineyard) is a very left-wing notion.

I heard an academic presentation once that presented evidence that after controlling for a number of factors, women made more than women. The factors included dangerous and dirty jobs and the number of hours. Men work more hours on average. His research showed that at about 44 hours per week, the amount on average earned per hour went way up. It's not linearly additive. Men tend to work the longer hours, do the dirty jobs.

Many of the non-college educated jobs that pay well are rather tough and dirty jobs. Carpenters, plumbers, and electricians can be paid rather well, earning as much as college graduates. But these are tough or dirty jobs that require a lot of overtime. Unions would welcome women into these professions, but not many women want to work construction. Women prefer jobs like school teacher or social worker, which don't pay as much. Nursing has paid well for several decades, and many women work in that field.

We also know that a lot of women do drop out of the workforce to have children, which can effect their income as well.

Yes I had that idea that you just got less money because in the sixties/ seventies a man could easily provide for a family, but now almost all women have to work part time, only the ones with a real rich guy can choose to stay at home when the kids are small.

 

[coby2]

Wonder if there is grandparentism

They pay them if they look after more kids.

 

[psychomom]

Wonder if there is grandparentism

i hope not, said the grandmother

 

[psychomom]

They pay them if they look after more kids.

do they? my sister has five (soon six) grandchildren. and she watches them all the time for the joy of it.

 

[coby2]

do they? my sister has five (soon six) grandchildren. and she watches them all the time for the joy of it.

Not the parents, well my sister always gave them flowers and holidays, but there's a lot that also take care of kids from the neighbours and they get paid for that. Much cheaper than day care. Grandparents really do a lot here. A guy at the office always leaves at 4 o'clock, works 4 days, his wife 2,5 or 3 and the days they work both the kids are with the grandparents.

 

[JosephsDreams]

One of the major problems that has come along with feminism is disobedience to scripture in the area of marriage. TV, the movies, and other media teach against the idea that a woman should submit to her husband. It's presented in a negative light. We rarely see portrayals of a family where a man is in charge in a positive light on TV, unless it is a really old TV show. The subject is so sensitive, many preachers don't want to teach on it. Many women grew up without a role model from their mothers or grandmothers submitting to their husbands.

Along with feminism came no-fault divorce and social acceptance of divorce. These things are all interrelated.

The laws God gave Israel required that inheritance be passed through the male line. If a man had no heirs, land could be passed to daughters, but only if they married within the father's clan, which kept the land in the same patriarchal lineage. This is a patriarchal law. The law that allowed men to cancel their wives and daughters vows are also clearly patriarchal. Wives submitting to husbands is patriarchal. So patriarchy is Biblical, not some evil system that women must unite against in some kind of class warfare.

The Bible doesn't give anyone the right to vote. In American society, women got suffrage shortly after suffrage for men. But it is not immoral for a society to be set up so that men primarily lead and govern the society, as Israel was. It isn't immoral for men to vote on behalf of their households comprised of men and women, for example. We have no reason to think that God is in favor of universal suffrage or that He shares American or western European beliefs about voting or democracy.

One of the things that irritates me about left-wing social justice warriors that profess to be Christians is that often their concepts of social justice have little to do with social justice revealed in scripture and sometimes contradicts it.

I don't know about Europe or the other parts of the world, but in America in the late '90's it became in vogue to put down men, especially white men. It was all over the place. On TV, in the movies, advertisements in magazines, woman at the workplaces were making anti man jokes.
When I first came across it, I just shrugged. Then as I saw it become more prevalent I understand what a negative effect this was going to have on society. It was just everywhere. And ungodly men and woman were perpetuating it, laughing along and going along with it. Some Christians too.
It got to the point where I would not be around certain non Christian friends or acquaintances because I was getting into arguments, as I was personally taken aback, and I was also trying to explain to people that this was a destructive and negative thing for society, that it was maybe even a device from the devil to further erode core values of a society. That woman should be supporting men, and respectful of them, be it their husbands or friends, not tearing them down.
If it was something aimed at black people, or Muslims, or even woman, it would have never been tolerated. Cries of bias, narrow mindedness, mean spirited would have been heard all over the media, but because it was white men, everyone just went along with it. So stupid. To this day I still sometimes get worked up when I think about it.

 

[JosephsDreams]

Yes I had that idea that you just got less money because in the sixties/ seventies a man could easily provide for a family, but now almost all women have to work part time, only the ones with a real rich guy can choose to stay at home when the kids are small.

That's another thing about America. I love this country, I still think, even in our ever declining state we are one the best countries in the world to live in, but we work way to hard here. It reminds me of the Mary and Martha story in the bible.
And forces have now made where both parents have to work. To me that is not progress. I understand that woman may want/need other interests outside the home, and some may want to do part time work, some even full time, but the fact that it is not even much of a option for so many families is yet another step backward.
I think that there may be just as many woman who would want to stay home and raise the kids as want to work, if they had a choice. This is again, our society going to the extremes. And it is common that when one is stuck in bumper to bumper traffic for a hour, going at 2=3 miles per hour, that when they see open road;freedom they go 20 miles over the speed limit.
So we had a boomerang effect with woman going to the workplace after all the decades they were told they shouldn't or couldn't.
Water seeks its own level. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle as far as woman joining the work place, making careers. But society has drummed into woman's heads that they have to work, have to prove themselves, otherwise they are not real or fully accomplished woman So this is one area where feminism has put chains on woman rather then freeing them.

 

[coby2]

That's another thing about America. I love this country, I still think, even in our ever declining state we are one the best countries in the world to live in, but we work way to hard here. It reminds me of the Mary and Martha story in the bible.
And forces have now made where both parents have to work. To me that is not progress. I understand that woman may want/need other interests outside the home, and some may want to do part time work, some even full time, but the fact that it is not even much of a option for so many families is yet another step backward.
I think that there may be just as many woman who would want to stay home and raise the kids as want to work, if they had a choice. This is again, our society going to the extremes. And it is common that when one is stuck in bumper to bumper traffic for a hour, going at 2=3 miles per hour, that when they see open road;freedom they go 20 miles over the speed limit.
So we had a boomerang effect with woman going to the workplace after all the decades they were told they shouldn't or couldn't.
Water seeks its own level. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle as far as woman joining the work place, making careers. But society has drummed into woman's heads that they have to work, have to prove themselves, otherwise they are not real or fully accomplished woman So this is one area where feminism has put chains on woman rather then freeing them.

In Holland we had feminism in the sixties. Women here have fought for their right to work part time (most work only 3 days a week) and stay at home with the kids and bake cookies and go to the zoo. Then the men wanted that too and got dad's days.
Most women here don't care about a career. I had a female boss who came from Canada. She had 2 small kids, worked 4 days a week, her husband worked full time, it was a hard job. I asked her why on earth she did that and she listened, she found a simpler job and worked a day less. It's only for luxury, free time and spending time with your kids is much more important than luxury.

 

[Susanna]

What behavior are you speaking of, maam? My behavior is stellar. Respect is earned, you know that. Men and women make the badge, not the other way around. If you or anyone else disrespects the sanctity of the badge, said people will be disrespected. Again, that's reality. I worked side by side law enforcement officers for years in EMS. I respect law enforcement but I do not respect punks or punkettes who hide behind their badges, but that wasn't my initial point.

Its funny, I stated a woman got out of her car and yelled and cursed at me but you responded by saying you'd lay the law down on me if I barked at you. Do you make a habit of cutting people off then yelling at them? That type of behavior is not conducive to healthy living.

You know what? I wasn't being all that serious Let's share a laugh instead

 

[VeiledinShadows]

One of the major problems that has come along with feminism is disobedience to scripture in the area of marriage. TV, the movies, and other media teach against the idea that a woman should submit to her husband. It's presented in a negative light. We rarely see portrayals of a family where a man is in charge in a positive light on TV, unless it is a really old TV show. The subject is so sensitive, many preachers don't want to teach on it. Many women grew up without a role model from their mothers or grandmothers submitting to their husbands.

Along with feminism came no-fault divorce and social acceptance of divorce. These things are all interrelated.

The laws God gave Israel required that inheritance be passed through the male line. If a man had no heirs, land could be passed to daughters, but only if they married within the father's clan, which kept the land in the same patriarchal lineage. This is a patriarchal law. The law that allowed men to cancel their wives and daughters vows are also clearly patriarchal. Wives submitting to husbands is patriarchal. So patriarchy is Biblical, not some evil system that women must unite against in some kind of class warfare.

The Bible doesn't give anyone the right to vote. In American society, women got suffrage shortly after suffrage for men. But it is not immoral for a society to be set up so that men primarily lead and govern the society, as Israel was. It isn't immoral for men to vote on behalf of their households comprised of men and women, for example. We have no reason to think that God is in favor of universal suffrage or that He shares American or western European beliefs about voting or democracy.

One of the things that irritates me about left-wing social justice warriors that profess to be Christians is that often their concepts of social justice have little to do with social justice revealed in scripture and sometimes contradicts it.

One of the major problems that has come along with feminism is disobedience to scripture in the area of marriage. TV, the movies, and other media teach against the idea that a woman should submit to her husband. It's presented in a negative light. We rarely see portrayals of a family where a man is in charge in a positive light on TV, unless it is a really old TV show. The subject is so sensitive, many preachers don't want to teach on it. Many women grew up without a role model from their mothers or grandmothers submitting to their husbands.

I know this may be a radical notion to you, but a lot of women have no desire to be submissive. There are dominant, alpha women and to try to force them into a role they are not designed for is inherently wrong. Also, if you confronted the majority of women I know with this attitude, you’d be faced with a dirty look at best and a fist at worst.

As for role models, I’ve known women that have those such as you described. They hated that their mother submitted, and have it ingrained in their mind that however their lives should go they cannot turn out like their mother. They want men who will treat them as equals in love and life, not inferiors.

Along with feminism came no-fault divorce and social acceptance of divorce. These things are all interrelated.

You also should realize that non-Christians exist. Non-Christians marry and divorce. Women and men need to be able to divorce their spouses for whatever reason that they feel; forcing two people to stay married is only going to lead to more trouble. [Note: I believe that people should try their best to save a marriage before resorting to divorce, but in the end it must be the choice of both parties involved to fight for the marriage. If one spouse doesn’t want to fight, the marriage is likely already over]

There are also many legitimate reasons outside of cheating for divorce that aren’t mentioned in the Bible: abuse, manipulation, addiction etc.

The laws God gave Israel required that inheritance be passed through the male line. If a man had no heirs, land could be passed to daughters, but only if they married within the father's clan, which kept the land in the same patriarchal lineage. This is a patriarchal law. The law that allowed men to cancel their wives and daughters vows are also clearly patriarchal. Wives submitting to husbands is patriarchal. So patriarchy is Biblical, not some evil system that women must unite against in some kind of class warfare.

You are advocating superiority of one sex of the other. I believe that all humans are born with equal worth and they should have equal opportunity. If a woman wants to rule the country, awesome. If a woman wants to be the primary parent for her kids, also awesome. In the end, it should always be her choice. To force her to be something she doesn’t want to be is abuse and utterly reprehensible.

The Bible doesn't give anyone the right to vote. In American society, women got suffrage shortly after suffrage for men. But it is not immoral for a society to be set up so that men primarily lead and govern the society, as Israel was. It isn't immoral for men to vote on behalf of their households comprised of men and women, for example. We have no reason to think that God is in favor of universal suffrage or that He shares American or western European beliefs about voting or democracy.

To deny a person a say in who runs the country and makes the laws that will directly affect their lives on the basis of their gender is again advocating the abuse of women. Time and time again it has be shown that if people don’t stand up for their own rights, the people it power will treat them as they see fit. If the people in power are solely men, women will suffer. If you deny people a voice, they have to change the minds of those silencing them, overthrow those silencing them or be crushed by those silencing them. Would you choose to be crushed?

One of the things that irritates me about left-wing social justice warriors that profess to be Christians is that often their concepts of social justice have little to do with social justice revealed in scripture and sometimes contradicts it.

Sometimes, we have to use a little discernment. Sometimes, we have to look at the world and our place in it and decide what we want it to look like. What we want to remain and what we want to change. Without social justice, working class men would not have the right to vote. Women would not have the right to vote or to be treated as human beings. Married women could be raped by their husbands. Slavery would still be considered acceptable. LGBT people would still be killed or imprisoned.

I’m sincerely hoping this was just a ‘troll’ post. Something designed to raise the hackles of anyone who read it. If so, well done. You achieved your aim. Now please go do something productive with your life.

 

[JosephsDreams]

(...)We rarely see portrayals of a family where a man is in charge in a positive light on TV, unless it is a really old TV show(...)Many women grew up without a role model from their mothers or grandmothers submitting to their husbands.

True, this is because of the liberal agenda, and the fracturing of families.


I know this may be a radical notion to you, but a lot of women have no desire to be submissive. There are dominant, alpha women and to try to force them into a role they are not designed for is inherently wrong. Also, if you confronted the majority of women I know with this attitude, you’d be faced with a dirty look at best and a fist at worst.

It is still the exception, but there are some woman that truly have issues with men, with our culture (even now), who are being brainwashed by the liberal schools they attend, who at best, want to be independent in a relationship to the point of absurdity, and who in some cases want to actually dominate. Upbringing and culture have a lot to do with this. Like with men, when can only generalize, but I believe their is definitely a uptick in this.


As for role models, I’ve known women that have those such as you described. They hated that their mother submitted, and have it ingrained in their mind that however their lives should go they cannot turn out like their mother. They want men who will treat them as equals in love and life, not inferior

There are woman like that, just like their are some man, to many, in my opinion, who fail to take on the role they need. When a man is watching porn, cheating, lying, lazy, abusive, how in the world are they going to earn any respect? A marriage can not thrive with out love and respect. Unfortunately, more man are culpable in initiating the end of the honeymoon phase then woman.


Along with feminism came no-fault divorce and social acceptance of divorce. These things are all interrelated.

Culturally nothing happens in a vacuum.


If a woman wants to rule the country, awesome. If a woman wants to be the primary parent for her kids, also awesome. In the end, it should always be her choice. To force her to be something she doesn’t want to be is abuse and utterly reprehensible.

This is the trap and the hypocrisy of woman's lib, feminism, and many liberals. Because the liberals are so utterly bent on imposing their vision on all of society (see Hillary's comment yesterday about that she "knows what to do with those that stray off the reservation") they are not interested in what a individual woman thinks or wants. They pay lip service to it, but they really have no interest in the Christian woman who may say, hey thanks, this movement allowed me to enter a career I could not have before, it has permitted me to marry in my late '30's, but no thanks to abortion, and yes, I am staying married even if my husband cheats on me, and also, btw, I want a man I can submit to. So she is then vilified as being narrowed minded, uneducated, weak, and dangerous to their goals. Throw her out, or send her back for further brainwashing.


The Bible doesn't give anyone the right to vote. In American society, women got suffrage shortly after suffrage for men. But it is not immoral for a society to be set up so that men primarily lead and govern the society, as Israel was. It isn't immoral for men to vote on behalf of their households comprised of men and women, for example. We have no reason to think that God is in favor of universal suffrage or that He shares American or western European beliefs about voting or democracy.

I don't see a problem with woman voting. I have a problem with not allowing them to vote. In this country anyway. And most who have a system similar to ours. If Arabs want to do something different, not that they can vote anyway, in a meaningful election in most Arab counties, well then let them do what they want.


One of the things that irritates me about left-wing social justice warriors that profess to be Christians is that often their concepts of social justice have little to do with social justice revealed in scripture and sometimes contradicts it.

Christian and left-wing socialists are a oxymoron. They usually don't go together in the same sentence.

The devil loves to use our differences and selfishness to divide and conquer.

 

[VeiledinShadows]

The devil loves to use our differences and selfishness to divide and conquer.

(...)We rarely see portrayals of a family where a man is in charge in a positive light on TV, unless it is a really old TV show(...)Many women grew up without a role model from their mothers or grandmothers submitting to their husbands.

True, this is because of the liberal agenda, and the fracturing of families.

I’m not sure if you realize you’re responding to the person I responded to as well as me. It might be easier to respond to our posts separately, just for clarity’s sake.

Liberal agenda? Wanting women to be free to make their own choices should be on everyone’s agenda.


I know this may be a radical notion to you, but a lot of women have no desire to be submissive. There are dominant, alpha women and to try to force them into a role they are not designed for is inherently wrong. Also, if you confronted the majority of women I know with this attitude, you’d be faced with a dirty look at best and a fist at worst.

It is still the exception, but there are some woman that truly have issues with men, with our culture (even now), who are being brainwashed by the liberal schools they attend, who at best, want to be independent in a relationship to the point of absurdity, and who in some cases want to actually dominate. Upbringing and culture have a lot to do with this. Like with men, when can only generalize, but I believe their is definitely a uptick in this.

Some men truly have issues with women, some women truly have issues with men. Our experiences shape us and can cause us to stereotype a group of people.

Tell me, what does independence to the point of absurdity mean? Shouldn’t every adult be as independent as they can? And yes, some women are dominant. However, if they want to initiate a relationship in which they want to behave in a dominant manner I will hold her to the same standard that I would a man; her partner has to be willing and enthusiastic about submission. Every aspect of the D/s relationship must be negotiated and there must be no (or very little) room for misunderstanding.

Culture influences us, no doubt. For better or for worse.


As for role models, I’ve known women that have those such as you described. They hated that their mother submitted, and have it ingrained in their mind that however their lives should go they cannot turn out like their mother. They want men who will treat them as equals in love and life, not inferior

There are woman like that, just like their are some man, to many, in my opinion, who fail to take on the role they need. When a man is watching porn, cheating, lying, lazy, abusive, how in the world are they going to earn any respect? A marriage can not thrive with out love and respect. Unfortunately, more man are culpable in initiating the end of the honeymoon phase then woman.

I’m unsure of what you’re trying to say here. All I can do is reiterate my feelings; two people must come to a relationship with respect for the other person and for themselves. They must be willing to communicate and be open about the dynamic they want. If they’re incompatible, they should go their separate ways.

Along with feminism came no-fault divorce and social acceptance of divorce. These things are all interrelated.

Culturally nothing happens in a vacuum.


If a woman wants to rule the country, awesome. If a woman wants to be the primary parent for her kids, also awesome. In the end, it should always be her choice. To force her to be something she doesn’t want to be is abuse and utterly reprehensible.

This is the trap and the hypocrisy of woman's lib, feminism, and many liberals. Because the liberals are so utterly bent on imposing their vision on all of society (see Hillary's comment yesterday about that she "knows what to do with those that stray off the reservation") they are not interested in what a individual woman thinks or wants.They pay lip service to it, but they really have no interest in the Christian woman who may say, hey thanks, this movement allowed me to enter a career I could not have before, it has permitted me to marry in my late '30's, but no thanks to abortion, and yes, I am staying married even if my husband cheats on me, and also, btw, I want a man I can submit to. So she is then vilified as being narrowed minded, uneducated, weak, and dangerous to their goals. Throw her out, or send her back for further brainwashing.

Au contraire, many feminists are of the same opinion that I stated above. That a woman should choose her own path, no matter what path that should be. I actually watch a YouTube channel run by a woman in a 24/7 Dominant/submissive relationship. She is the submissive, and she is a feminist. The reason she can claim both is because it is her decision. No-one is forcing her to be anything other than what she wants to be. She and her partner (potentially partners as she is polyamorous) discuss and negotiate their boundaries pretty much all the time. Neither is being taking advantage of and both of them are free to leave the relationship at any point.


The Bible doesn't give anyone the right to vote. In American society, women got suffrage shortly after suffrage for men. But it is not immoral for a society to be set up so that men primarily lead and govern the society, as Israel was. It isn't immoral for men to vote on behalf of their households comprised of men and women, for example. We have no reason to think that God is in favor of universal suffrage or that He shares American or western European beliefs about voting or democracy.

I don't see a problem with woman voting. I have a problem with not allowing them to vote. In this country anyway. And most who have a system similar to ours. If Arabs want to do something different, not that they can vote anyway, in a meaningful election in most Arab counties, well then let them do what they want.

I think we’re agreed on this one. Hopefully the Arabic feminist movement will begin to gain more traction, slowly but surely.

One of the things that irritates me about left-wing social justice warriors that profess to be Christians is that often their concepts of social justice have little to do with social justice revealed in scripture and sometimes contradicts it.

Christian and left-wing socialists are a oxymoron. They usually don't go together in the same sentence.

Progressive Christians tend to be left-wing and liberal. In fact, in some places extremely conservative Christianity (the likes of which is rampant in America) is frowned upon.

 

[psychomom]

In fact, in some places extremely conservative Christianity (the likes of which is rampant in America) is frowned upon.

lol rampant?

i don't know how much time you've spent here in your vast 21 years, but i've been here a while and rarely see it.

and i don't intend to demean your age... my youngest is also 21 and she's an intelligent, capable person.

 

[proverbs35]

Joseph dreams:
I want to thank you for attempting to handle Such a sensitive issue in a respectful and civil way. Thanks.
Something still holds true. If you can get the milk for free, why buy the cow?Unfortunately, that's a life lesson that a lot of younger women have had to learn the hard way.

As far as finances go...
People, Male or female, don't necessarily have a Godly view of finances. We live in a very materialistic Society. Unfortunately, there is a lot of materialism even in the church. Debt is the number one cause of divorce. Therefore, finances are a very big issue and consideration. Couples need financial literacy prior to getting married.

Of course, the world is vastly different from the world your mother grew up in. For example, your mother probably never could have imagined coed public restrooms. I'm only 40, and I never imagined such a thing.

 

[Utah]

You know what? I wasn't being all that serious Let's share a laugh instead

Sounds good. Clean slate between you and me. Sorry for the hiccup. Let's be friends.