How will Jews be judged?

[Sharp]

I'm confused about how Jews who had the law prior to the life and death of Jesus will be judged.

What is the basis by which God will decide whether or not they enter into heaven?

If they are judged by the law, then obviously none would pass. Or would they?

The bible says those under the law will be judged by the law, and the doers of the law will be justified.

Were they expected to have faith in the forthcoming Christ?

Or will their parital obedience to the law save them?

I'm confused.

 

[MahogonySnail]

I think it's based upon the length of their beard.

 

[Ashton]

I think it's based upon the length of their beard.

ROFL!! oh my gosh. immediately i came into this with a serious attitude and then read the next post expecting to see something meaningful. lolol thanks for the insight, Mahogony. made my day

 

[MahogonySnail]

I'm sorry I was going to say something serious but then thought I'd wait.

 

[Ashton]

I'm confused about how Jews who had the law prior to the life and death of Jesus will be judged.

What is the basis by which God will decide whether or not they enter into heaven?

If they are judged by the law, then obviously none would pass. Or would they?

The bible says those under the law will be judged by the law, and the doers of the law will be justified.

Were they expected to have faith in the forthcoming Christ?

Or will their parital obedience to the law save them?

I'm confused.

Lol. Still laughing from Mahogony's post... But I'll try to address your concerns as best I can with my understanding of the Scriptures. The Bible says that Abraham was justified by faith - not by obedience to the Law (and yet he was commanded to be circumcised). When Eve sinned in the Garden of Eden she put more faith in Satan than she did in God and Adam put more faith in Eve than he did in God. It's always been about faith (i.e. trust) in God. We fell away from God by either trusting in Satan more or Mankind more.

While I can't address your concerns perfectly I can offer you some very relevant truths:
1. Abraham was justified by faith in God. Romans 4:3, Genesis 15:6
2. Abraham will be in the Kingdom of Heaven because he had faith in God even though he kept God's Law. Matthew 8:11
3. Faith does not mean belief as much as it means trust. We are to trust in God.
4. Atonement means "paying a price in order to make right."
5. We sold ourselves to Satan by sinning.
6. God atoned for us (i.e. bought us back from Satan) by paying with his own blood because he works within his own system of justice.
7. God atoned for us from the beginning of the world (Revelation 13:8), so it has never been about works but always about faith in God's power to forgive sins and make people right. Some people take this to mean that God had already handed over his blood to Satan to be shed at an appointed time but that it had not been shed until the cross. So, God paid the price to set us free, but the act of shedding his blood in place of ours didn't manifest itself until the cross (1 Peter 1:20). After all, God interacts with us within the confines of the dimension of time even if he himself is not restricted to it. It takes time for God's plans to come to completion, but he's got it all planned out.
8. Christ was the only way through which we could be made right with and enter into a relationship with God (John 14:6). So, it has always been about God's payment for us with Christ. But we had to have faith in God's atoning power. If God had not paid for us with his own blood then faith in God would've availed us nothing, because we still would've belonged to Satan (i.e. he wouldn't've purchased us back from Satan).
9. God paid the price for us with his own blood, but we had to accept that payment. The sacrificial system was not only a prophetic means by which to show us the coming Messiah's sacrifice (keep in mind many people knew of a Messiah by studying the Torah even before Christ was born) but was also in place for us to have a chance to trust in God's atoning power before the manifestation of Christ's sacrifice. I don't believe too many folks thought that the blood of bulls and goats could forgive sins. Take the Pharisees for example. They didn't even think that a human being could forgive sins (Mark 2:7). So why would they or anyone else have believed that animals could? Only God could forgive sins (Mark 2:10). It's just that God chose to forgive our sins through the payment of Christ. The sacrificial system was just there for our instruction and for a chance to trust in God's forgiving power until we saw who the sacrificial system pointed to - Christ. It's always been about faith in God's atoning power and Christ's sacrifice - whether behind the scenes or in the forefront.

That's my meager understanding of it so far, and I don't feel it to be 100% correct either. But that's the best I can offer. I hope it helped.

P.S. "Under the Law" only means "burdened beneath legalism (which is the distortion of the Law)." It doesn't actually mean "justified by the Law." When we were under the Law we were slaves to legalism because we didn't understand its true intention (people were trying to get right with God by obeying his Law perfectly), but now Christ has come and 1. retaught us that it was all about faith in God and 2. the Torah's basis is love. So now that we know for certain we aren't made right by the Law we can stop trying to follow it strictly by the letter. Instead we know the Law has always been based on love, so we can observe it with this in mind (Matthew 22:37-40).

 

[Browncoat]

I'm confused about how Jews who had the law prior to the life and death of Jesus will be judged.

What is the basis by which God will decide whether or not they enter into heaven?

If they are judged by the law, then obviously none would pass. Or would they?

The bible says those under the law will be judged by the law, and the doers of the law will be justified.

Were they expected to have faith in the forthcoming Christ?

Or will their parital obedience to the law save them?

I'm confused.

Salvation has ALWAYS been about the grace of G-d. That's a common misconception about Judaism...Christianity did NOT create the concept of salvation by grace, because Judaism has ALWAYS taught salvation by the grace of G-d. Judaism is NOT about salvation by works, salvation by the Torah (the Law).

 

[Sharp]

I have a supplementary question. Bonus points are available.


Romans 3:31 - Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law.


When Paul instructs us to uphold the law, as Christ said that he was fulfilling the law, which law is being referred to? Is it the 10 commandments and moral laws that we are to uphold, and the sacrifice of Jesus supersedes the need for ceremonial laws, etc.?

 

[phil36]

I think it's based upon the length of their beard.

lol, you make me laugh, I'm at work and that just cheered me up lol.

 

[phil36]

I have a supplementary question. Bonus points are available.


Romans 3:31 - Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law.


When Paul instructs us to uphold the law, as Christ said that he was fulfilling the law, which law is being referred to? Is it the 10 commandments and moral laws that we are to uphold, and the sacrifice of Jesus supersedes the need for ceremonial laws, etc.?

Hi sharp, you will see the answer in Galatians ch 5.

kind regards

Phil

 

[Ashton]

I have a supplementary question. Bonus points are available.


Romans 3:31 - Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law.


When Paul instructs us to uphold the law, as Christ said that he was fulfilling the law, which law is being referred to? Is it the 10 commandments and moral laws that we are to uphold, and the sacrifice of Jesus supersedes the need for ceremonial laws, etc.?

I think the Greek word used for law here may be able to refer to both civil and religious law (for the Jews they were one and the same). So you ask, "What is the extent of this law we are not abolishing but rather confirming/upholding?" Romans 3:30 says, "[...] because, as you will admit, God is one. Therefore, he will consider righteous the circumcised on the ground of trusting and the uncircumcised through that same trusting." Paul is saying, "Those who have observed the law of circumcision and those who have not observed the law of circumcision are both made righteous by God from their faith, but do we abolish circumcision? On the contrary, we confirm/uphold it." So within context verse 31 seems to be referring to the law which includes circumcision. My guess would be that this is not only the Ten Commandments (because they didn't include circumcision) but all of the Torah which includes circumcision and the Ten Commandments.

If you're unfamiliar with the concept, many people think fulfillment of the law by Jesus means that we are no longer needed to obey the law because Jesus has taken it all upon himself (e.g. he became our High Priest so we no longer need a human high priest; he became our Passove sacrifice so we no longer need a Passover sacrifice, etc.). They say that we are now to obey the Law of Love, but this is a rather abstract concept no one is able to define. Some people say the Holy Spirit leads them to abstain from meat sacrificed to idols. Others say the Holy Spirit leads them to enjoy all food. But my question to them is why would the Holy Spirit lead one to do something and then lead another in another direction if it was unnecessary to obey any part of the law? Another question arises: did Jesus not fulfill the law of love? Was this a new law? Leviticus 19:17-18 and Deuteronomy 10:16 don't seem to think so. It can all be found in the Torah.

My understanding is that we were required to have a high priest when we always had a High Priest. For example, if we needed a high priest to intercede on our behalf to God because we were sinful human beings, then why was our high priest a human? I believe the truth to be that our High Priest has always been Jesus. Also consider that Moses seemed to speak more directly to God than the high priest Aaron, and Moses wasn't even a high priest. Much of it was symbolic for instruction's sake, but there were other purposes to it also. We were required to celebrate Passover (keep in mind that Passover was also commanded us for a reminder of what happened in Egypt) when Christ had always been our Passover Lamb.

 

[Ashton]

We never needed to follow the law in order to be made right by God. It was always God that made us right - not our observance of his law. We use "need" to refer to many varying levels of necessity. We need to observe the law to be in obedience to him, but we don't need to observe it to be saved. Thought I'd clarify that.

 

[resurrection33]

I'm confused about how Jews who had the law prior to the life and death of Jesus will be judged.

What is the basis by which God will decide whether or not they enter into heaven?

If they are judged by the law, then obviously none would pass. Or would they?

The bible says those under the law will be judged by the law, and the doers of the law will be justified.

Were they expected to have faith in the forthcoming Christ?

Or will their parital obedience to the law save them?

I'm confused.

Jesus gave us two “great” commandments to obey (Matthew 22:34-40). I imagine if a Jew obeys those two commandments, he’ll do just fine, don’t you?

 

[VW]

paul starts what has become chapter 9 in his letter to the church at rome by saying:

i am telling the truth in christ, i am not lying, my conscience bearing me witness in the holy spirit, that i have great sorrow and unceasing grief in my heart. for i could wish myself accursed, separated from christ for the sake of my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh, who are israelites, to whom belongs the adoption as sons and the glory and the covenants and the giving of the law and the temple service and the promises, whose are the fathers, and from whom is the christ according to the flesh, who is over all, god blessed forever. amen.

paul does not sound too hopeful for the israelites as concerns salvation. he spends the next three chapters explaining how they are destined to be saved, but are not for now. the main point throughout his writing about the israelites is that they are chosen of god. this is grace, as paul makes clear. the same grace that saves us.

we as a people who were to were to make them jealous. we have not done that yet. a day will come when god will require this of us, and we will show the presence of god in his majesty and in his glory.

god has reserved for himself a remnant of his chosen people.

 

[Mal316]

See Romans chapter 2. Everyone is judged according to their works. Jews who are under the law will be judged by the law. Those who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law.

 

[miktre]

All men are judged according their works.
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11And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Just as no man comes to the Father but by Christ​

6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

Just as those who hate Christ also hate the our Father​

21But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.
22If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin.
23He that hateth me hateth my Father also.
24If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.
25But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.
26But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
27And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.
From the beginning friend, Amen.
The question is why do they hate Him so much.