Homosexual Brother, need HELP!

[popeye]

My niece is gay, but I would never turn my back on her. The Bible says to love our brothers as we love thy self. You do not have to love their sin, but be a sister to him. Let God take control. Watch that movie War Room and start your War Room Prayer Room. Trust me it works. God Bless and I will pray for you and family.

Yes indeed. The homosexual is precious. A precious priceless person,whom has value to us and especially to God. So valuable Jesus gave his life,as is for that person alone.

Unfathomable how much value in just one gay person.

All the more reason to seek their restoration and deliverance.

So many have it backwards and are so hung up on the offence of the truth,they sugar coat the truth with the deception of "acceptance"

 

[popeye]

Certain folks here that one must read their posts with a pee wee herman voice.

Little mischief makers.

 

[Mitspa]

Discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation is wrong, yes.

Children begin to explore their sexuality at around puberty. This is why you see Gay-Straight Alliances in high schools; the vast majority of teenagers are not asexual. They need to be well educated on sexual health, contraception and differing sexualities for this reason. Some teenagers will find they are attracted to their own sex/gender. You can't tell or promote to anyone what their orientation should be (and in fact this is a greater problem in Christian communities in which heterosexuality is forced upon non-heterosexual people). [Note: Only people above the age of consent should be having sex. 'Exploring one's sexuality' is simply having questions and discovering attractions and new feelings in this case.]

This is about the dumbest nonsense I have ever read.

 

[Mitspa]

Anyone that would tell a kid they are a pervert and then pretend that's some special class of people..should be put in prison.

 

[Gooey]

Well it appears we have a fellow..who came to cast doubt on our faith and promote the gay agenda ... Dude this Is a Christian forum ...do you understand that?

Honey. Being exposed to other ideas isn't a bad thing. And doubt isn't a bad thing, either; it encourages you to learn and to either shed a belief or to grow stronger in it.

 

[Gooey]

I hate to be the one to tell you ..there is a right and wrong in this world and there is a God called the Lord of host who tells every man and women you will answer to Him for your sins and wickedness.

Isa 2:12 For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:

These are your beliefs, yes. You are entitled to them just as I am entitled to mine. I happen to disagree on this one.

 

[Gooey]

No, no, no. Atheists don't oppose Islam because if they did, they'd get their asses handed to them on a grubby platter. I mean, their heads handed to them on a grubby platter. Also, for some reason they side with Islam more than Christianity, even though Christianity is the bulwark against something far, far 'worse'. Christians should oppose abortion (murder is wrong, or was it only wrong during the Holocaust?).

As for promoting unscientific ideas, pffft. Science wouldn't even exist as a discipline without the Judeo/Christian faiths and most of the scientists who have ever given us anything of value in the sciences were either Christians or biblical creationists or both. I'm not saying non-Christians can't do any good, they absolutely can, but they borrow from a Judeo/Christian worldview to do so. As for evolutionary theory, it hasn't contributed anything to anything, least of all to Science. It was dead on arrival and it's impeded scientific discoveries like nobody's business.

Finally, I (and most others here) don't hate gay people, we hate the gay agenda. They're two very different things. The gay agenda actually has no love for its members, it only wants to use them as a means to an end.

Well, this would be fun if this wasn’t the most stereotypical right-wing Christian response I’ve ever seen.

‘Atheists don't oppose Islam because if they did, they'd get their asses handed to them on a grubby platter. I mean, their heads handed to them on a grubby platter.’

Au contraire, my friend:
Richard Dawkins attacks Muslim bigots, not just Christian ones: http://www.spectator.co.uk/2013/08/forget-about-richard-dawkins-fight-the-real-fanatics/

The Quran Reloaded:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1gSxXwxoIxIt9doAapuueg

Sam Harris has criticised Islam for quite some time, as far as I'm aware. There are other YouTube atheists who quite stridently detest Islam. There are apostates ( specifically those who have left Islam in this case).

The only problem is that these people can be labelled Islamophobic for criticising Islam and extremists. Which is not to say that there aren’t atheists who are genuinely hateful of Muslims, but rather that criticism itself isn’t hatred.

‘Science wouldn't even exist as a discipline without the Judeo/Christian faiths and most of the scientists who have ever given us anything of value in the sciences were either Christians or biblical creationists or both. I'm not saying non-Christians can't do any good, they absolutely can, but they borrow from a Judeo/Christian worldview to do so. As for evolutionary theory, it hasn't contributed anything to anything, least of all to Science. It was dead on arrival and it's impeded scientific discoveries like nobody's business.’

It exists because of the people, not because of their faith; the scientific method is not based on any religious ideas. In fact, religion has been key in stifling scientific change much of the time; Galileo would be a good example here. People can believe in strange ideas but still be incredible in their field; Isaac Newton did alchemy in his spare time, Ben Carson believes the pyramids were grain silos. It is also worth noting that many outstanding scientists either did/do not believe in the Christian god or believe in no gods at all; Albert Einstein for the former, Stephen Hawking for the latter. Academics do tend to be less religious, as well as less fundamentalist in their religion if they have one.


As for evolutionary theory contributing nothing, I can do nothing but facepalm.

‘Finally, I (and most others here) don't hate gay people, we hate the gay agenda. They're two very different things. The gay agenda actually has no love for its members, it only wants to use them as a means to an end.’

Hmm… See this link: (Gay Agenda Revealed)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XllFQq32at0&index=47&list=PL718F353BA130BD21

 

[Gooey]

Yes indeed. The homosexual is precious. A precious priceless person,whom has value to us and especially to God. So valuable Jesus gave his life,as is for that person alone.

Unfathomable how much value in just one gay person.

All the more reason to seek their restoration and deliverance.

So many have it backwards and are so hung up on the offence of the truth,they sugar coat the truth with the deception of "acceptance"

'Born sick and commanded to heal'- Hitchens.

 

[Gooey]

This is about the dumbest nonsense I have ever read.

And yet you cannot refute a single point. Huh. Wonder why that is?

 

[Mitspa]

Honey. Being exposed to other ideas isn't a bad thing. And doubt isn't a bad thing, either; it encourages you to learn and to either shed a belief or to grow stronger in it.

Dude this is a Christian site..the internet is full of the kind of trash you are promoting..Christians come to this site to discuss thing from a godly perspective...I don't need to drink poison to know it's poison and I don't need to hear your opinion ..I have God's opinion and that's what folks need.

 

[Mitspa]

And yet you cannot refute a single point. Huh. Wonder why that is?

How do you refute utter nonsense ? Something has to have some bases in truth and logic. To be refuted. What is your logic..God don't decide ..you do?

 

[Mitspa]

These are your beliefs, yes. You are entitled to them just as I am entitled to mine. I happen to disagree on this one.

Again a Christian forum..these are basic truths any "christian" should understand as truth. . Are you suprised people would "believe" the bible on a Christian forum? Who is the one being unreasonable?

 

[slave]

God does decide, and whether any of us agree with Him or not, by the way. But Gooey has a point not in the doctrine of using sin to discover godliness, for that is unbiblical, and unreasonable based on biblical principles. But what Gooey is alluding to is that Jesus demonstrated with sinners patience and kindness, and with His Saints He preached but mostly while investing in His Disciples He used discussion and discovery alongside them to show them truth. If a child for instance is exploring ones sexuality at a given stage, it is the community of Christians that should step in to guide them. Explain to them, and help them discover the truth outlined in Scripture to be their truth as well. This is not to use sin to get to righteousness, but to take a person where they are and nurture and affirm them to the truth God will show them to be right. "All Scripture is God-breathed and useful for _____,_________,________,and training in Righteousness." (2 Tim. 3:16).

 

[Gooey]

Dude this is a Christian site..the internet is full of the kind of trash you are promoting..Christians come to this site to discuss thing from a godly perspective...I don't need to drink poison to know it's poison and I don't need to hear your opinion ..I have God's opinion and that's what folks need.

‘Dude this is a Christian site…’

And non-Christians/questioning people will come to this site. There is no requirement to be Christian to enter the site or make a post.

‘the internet is full of the kind of trash you are promoting…’

That goes both ways. Only my viewpoints are… better in pretty much every way, essentially.

‘Christians come to this site to discuss thing from a godly perspective...I don't need to drink poison to know it's poison and I don't need to hear your opinion ..I have God's opinion and that's what folks need.’

I don’t think you should presume to speak for every Christian. Also, when I signed up there was an option for non-Christian and undecided, so clearly it isn’t only Christians that this site expects.

To know something is poison (without an obvious label), you would have to examine and test it. Which is a slightly better analogy; some viewpoints are ‘poisonous’ but you have to examine and test the viewpoint before you can decide if it is safe to drink or not. The problem with this analogy, though, is that it would likely to be better just to avoid drinking it at all, safety-wise, as sometimes test results can be inaccurate (experimental errors, human errors etc.).

An even better analogy: let’s say we have a drug compound that could possibly benefit the human species. We’d test it using experimental models and then progress to clinical trials in order to determine its safety for use. In the same way, we can thoroughly examine the benefits and drawbacks of beliefs before putting them into practice, considering that some beliefs and philosophies may be beneficial for the human race. In order to improve humanity, though, we have to go looking for these ‘drug molecules’ or (as a scientist) be willing to look at drug molecules suggested by others.

‘I have God's opinion and that's what folks need.’
Isn’t that what every Christian believes, from the most liberal to the most hardline? Isn’t that what every Muslim believes, extremist or peaceful?

 

[Gooey]

How do you refute utter nonsense ? Something has to have some bases in truth and logic. To be refuted. What is your logic..God don't decide ..you do?

I'm not sure you understand how logic works...

 

[Gooey]

Again a Christian forum..these are basic truths any "christian" should understand as truth. . Are you suprised people would "believe" the bible on a Christian forum? Who is the one being unreasonable?

30,000+ denominations. Pretty sure some agree with me.

 

[willfollowsGod]

30,000+ denominations. Pretty sure some agree with me.

We follow God and not men and the denominations that support this are against God and are not Christian. I will never bow down to the homosexual agenda. A Christian believes that the Bible is God's word and when anyone is preaching in the public sphere and private sectors anything that is not Christian, denigrates Christianity, and says believe this or else, we will not accept it because God does not accept it. In fact Jesus states what marriage is in Matthew and Mark. Our beliefs are not based on our sexual feelings, they are based on the Bible. If Jesus had said what you are saying, it would have been in the Bible. It would have been in the Old and New Testaments but it is not and you are sadly brainwashed.

Matthew 19:4-6
Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

Mark 10:6-9
But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female.’ ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

Genesis 1:27
So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.

Genesis 2:18, 20c-24
The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”
But for Adam no suitable helper was found. So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs and then closed up the place with flesh. Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.
The man said,
“This is now bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called ‘woman,’
for she was taken out of man.”
That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh.

God loves you and created you to know Him personally. He has a plan for your life. The condition of man is sin (rebellion, passive indifference, etc against God). Due to that we cannot know God personally or experience his plan for our lives. We try works-based religion, no religion, a good life, philosophy, etc. None of it works, all of them fail. But God sent his Son Jesus to die on the cross for your sins, and rise again from the dead on the third day. If you repent (turn away) from your sins (all of them including your unbiblical views on homosexuality) and accept Jesus Christ as your personal Savior and sovereign Lord, that he died on the cross for your sins, and rose again from the dead, you will be saved and will not go to hell, a place that even Jesus warned about a lot in the gospels. Thanks. God bless.

 

[willfollowsGod]

God does decide, and whether any of us agree with Him or not, by the way. But Gooey has a point not in the doctrine of using sin to discover godliness, for that is unbiblical, and unreasonable based on biblical principles. But what Gooey is alluding to is that Jesus demonstrated with sinners patience and kindness, and with His Saints He preached but mostly while investing in His Disciples He used discussion and discovery alongside them to show them truth. If a child for instance is exploring ones sexuality at a given stage, it is the community of Christians that should step in to guide them. Explain to them, and help them discover the truth outlined in Scripture to be their truth as well. This is not to use sin to get to righteousness, but to take a person where they are and nurture and affirm them to the truth God will show them to be right. "All Scripture is God-breathed and useful for _____,_________,________,and training in Righteousness." (2 Tim. 3:16).

I understand your point but how dare you blank out the word of God! Teaching, rebuking, and correcting not just training in righteousness. Thanks. God bless.

 

[Gooey]

We follow God and not men and the denominations that support this are against God and are not Christian. I will never bow down to the homosexual agenda. A Christian believes that the Bible is God's word and when anyone is preaching in the public sphere and private sectors anything that is not Christian, denigrates Christianity, and says believe this or else, we will not accept it because God does not accept it. In fact Jesus states what marriage is in Matthew and Mark. Our beliefs are not based on our sexual feelings, they are based on the Bible. If Jesus had said what you are saying, it would have been in the Bible. It would have been in the Old and New Testaments but it is not and you are sadly brainwashed.

Matthew 19:4-6
Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

Mark 10:6-9
But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female.’ ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

Genesis 1:27
So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.

Genesis 2:18, 20c-24
The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”
But for Adam no suitable helper was found. So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs and then closed up the place with flesh. Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.
The man said,
“This is now bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called ‘woman,’
for she was taken out of man.”
That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh.

God loves you and created you to know Him personally. He has a plan for your life. The condition of man is sin (rebellion, passive indifference, etc against God). Due to that we cannot know God personally or experience his plan for our lives. We try works-based religion, no religion, a good life, philosophy, etc. None of it works, all of them fail. But God sent his Son Jesus to die on the cross for your sins, and rise again from the dead on the third day. If you repent (turn away) from your sins (all of them including your unbiblical views on homosexuality) and accept Jesus Christ as your personal Savior and sovereign Lord, that he died on the cross for your sins, and rose again from the dead, you will be saved and will not go to hell, a place that even Jesus warned about a lot in the gospels. Thanks. God bless.

We follow God and not men and the denominations that support this are against God and are not Christian.

No true Scotsman fallacy. No doubt denominations that are pro-LGBT would equally say that your ideas are against God.

I will never bow down to the homosexual agenda.

See here: (Gay Agenda Revealed)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XllFQq32at0&index=47&list=PL718F353BA130BD21

A Christian believes that the Bible is God's word and when anyone is preaching in the public sphere and private sectors anything that is not Christian, denigrates Christianity, and says believe this or else, we will not accept it because God does not accept it.

Unfortunately, you have to accept it. It is part of living in a world full of different ideas and opinions, different religions and philosophies. Everyone one of us has the right to criticize or mock any religion we care to (although obviously not everyone wants to, I’m just pointing out we have every right to).

In fact Jesus states what marriage is in Matthew and Mark. Our beliefs are not based on our sexual feelings, they are based on the Bible. If Jesus had said what you are saying, it would have been in the Bible. It would have been in the Old and New Testaments but it is not and you are sadly brainwashed.

Gay marriage is a very modern concept. It’s no surprise that it wasn’t spoken about by Jesus; homosexual relationships back then (in the form they would usually be seen in society) would likely be seen as immoral even now by most people, as they often involved a boy and a man. Not two consenting, loving adults. In fact, I’m pretty sure it was seen as disgraceful for a man to ‘lower himself to the level of a woman’ in those times.

God loves you and created you to know Him personally.

It was my parents that ‘created’ me. Unless you’re implying God interferes with free will…

He has a plan for your life.

Ah, you aren’t implying God interferes with free will. You’re explicitly stating it.

The condition of man is sin (rebellion, passive indifference, etc against God)

I disagree. We are animals. We have animal instincts; we have lust so that we reproduce, anger to fight against other tribes that threaten us etc. These aren’t bad things necessarily. They’ve served to keep us alive as individuals, communities and a species. And contrary to your point about rebellion Homo sapiens sapiens seems to be very susceptible to authority figures. You’ve probably heard about the electrocution of strangers under the command of authority experiment:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

Due to that we cannot know God personally or experience his plan for our lives.

You contradicted yourself: ‘God loves you and created you to know Him personally.’

We try works-based religion, no religion, a good life, philosophy, etc. None of it works, all of them fail.

No religion is actually working better for me than having a religion.

But God sent his Son Jesus to die on the cross for your sins, and rise again from the dead on the third day. If you repent (turn away) from your sins (all of them including your unbiblical views on homosexuality) and accept Jesus Christ as your personal Savior and sovereign Lord, that he died on the cross for your sins, and rose again from the dead, you will be saved and will not go to hell, a place that even Jesus warned about a lot in the gospels. Thanks. God bless.

I have perfectly good reasons to disbelieve this. I also have perfectly good reasons to treat LGBT as equals in love and life. Any viewpoint that serves to make one group of humans superior to another is instantly suspicious to me. Anyhow, I suppose I should appreciate the sentiment (from you, not from the Bible),

Thanks,
Gooey.

 

[Mitspa]

Gooey is gone...