Baptisms

[BrotherJustin]

Believers obey the gospel of grace by believing(Rom 1:5, 10:16, 16:26). People like you disobey the gospel by adding to it. Ultimately those who disobey the gospel end up like those in 2 Thess 1:8. You will now accuse me like you accuse others of giving a license for sinning, which has been refuted ad nauseum on here.

Ro 1:5 shows me that faith leads to obedience.

 

[roaringkitten]

Ro 1:5 shows me that faith leads to obedience.

No one is disputing that. Hrftd says one must obey Christ with their lives in order to qualify for salvation, but the thief on the cross had NO works to offer Jesus and yet Jesus pronounced him saved! Rom 4:5 exactly explains the salvation of the thief on the cross!

"But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness." Rom 4:5

Jude 1:3 says our salvation is a common salvation. We were all saved by grace through faith. One isn't saved one way, while others are saved another way. Only liars of the Word say God made an exception to the thief on the cross! If water baptism is required for salvation, then it is impossible for some to be saved(like those in the arctic, in the desert, etc).

Wolves are trying to seduce you into believing works!

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

 

[BrotherJustin]

No one is disputing that. Hrftd says one must obey Christ with their lives in order to qualify for salvation, but the thief on the cross had NO works to offer Jesus and yet Jesus pronounced him saved! Rom 4:5 exactly explains the salvation of the thief on the cross!

"But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness." Rom 4:5

Jude 1:3 says our salvation is a common salvation. We were all saved by grace through faith. One isn't saved one way, while others are saved another way. Only liars of the Word say God made an exception to the thief on the cross! If water baptism is required for salvation, then it is impossible for some to be saved(like those in the arctic, in the desert, etc).

Wolves are trying to seduce you into believing works!

Was Simon Magus saved?

 

[Grace777x70]

Here is an interesting note about matt 16:19. Some have used that scripture to say what we bind or release on earth is released or bound in heaven. That is not correct.

The NASB brings out that the scripture is actually saying ' Whatsoever you bind on earth shall be - since is has been already bound in heaven" - perfect tense

The verb tense for have been bound and have been loosed in heaven are in the perfect tense which means it has already been done in heaven in the past and it is in a completed state in the present - which is why it can be done on earth.

People often get this backwards and of course there are those that say Peter only had special authority to do things which is complete foolishness because the keys of the kingdom are for everyone.

This is where the pope foolishness came from.

Matthew 16:19 (NASB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] "I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven."

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Believers obey the gospel of grace by believing(Rom 1:5, 10:16, 16:26). People like you disobey the gospel by adding to it. Ultimately those who disobey the gospel end up like those in 2 Thess 1:8. You will now accuse me like you accuse others of giving a license for sinning, which has been refuted ad nauseum on here.

The bible says that those who hear but don't do are liars. There is more to faith than just believing.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

The weight of evidence is rather profound, is it not?

Scary profound.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

No one is disputing that. Hrftd says one must obey Christ with their lives in order to qualify for salvation, but the thief on the cross had NO works to offer Jesus and yet Jesus pronounced him saved! Rom 4:5 exactly explains the salvation of the thief on the cross!

To whom little is given, little is required. And vice versa.

 

[oldhermit]

Scary profound.

I would be interested the here what questions you may have on baptism.

 

[BrotherJustin]

Here is an interesting note about matt 16:19. Some have used that scripture to say what we bind or release on earth is released or bound in heaven. That is not correct.

The NASB brings out that the scripture is actually saying ' Whatsoever you bind on earth shall be - since is has been already bound in heaven" - perfect tense

The verb tense for have been bound and have been loosed in heaven are in the perfect tense which means it has already been done in heaven in the past and it is in a completed state in the present - which is why it can be done on earth.

People often get this backwards and of course there are those that say Peter only had special authority to do things which is complete foolishness because the keys of the kingdom are for everyone.

This is where the pope foolishness came from.

Matthew 16:19 (NASB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] "I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven."

I've heard this verse also used to support those who are grieving lost ones.
As in, we'll get to see our earthly family again in heaven.

So, if I apply what you said to this idea--it seems we will not necessarily see our earthly families in heaven again.

-- Is that right?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I would be interested the here what questions you may have on baptism.

It's not so much a matter of questions, but of caution. Scripturally, I have no doubts, but I need the inward witness before I can be 100% sure.

 

[CEF]

I've heard this verse also used to support those who are grieving lost ones.
As in, we'll get to see our earthly family again in heaven.

So, if I apply what you said to this idea--it seems we will not necessarily see our earthly families in heaven again.

-- Is that right?

Yes, we will get to see all our loved ones that have passed away.

 

[oldhermit]

It's not so much a matter of questions, but of caution. Scripturally, I have no doubts, but I need the inward witness before I can be 100% sure.

What greater witness can there be than the words of the Holy Spirit himself? This is what the scriptures are.

 

[Magenta]

And the Bible says while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

And the Bible says For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that wosoever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

And the Bible says, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved.

And the sinner says, Hallelujah! Thank you Lord Jesus, I am saved, because you loved me and gave yourself for me! Thank you, Jesus, my Lord, my God, my Savior! Praise You, Jesus, thank you I am saved by You alone!

And the legalist says, No you're not, you haven't been water-baptised....
I know....I read all the scriptures about it....now stop all this silly rejoicing, and either go get water-baptised, or just go away sad. No salvation for you.

Scripture also says, Jesus answered and said unto them, "This is
the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent."

 

[Grace777x70]

I've heard this verse also used to support those who are grieving lost ones.
As in, we'll get to see our earthly family again in heaven.

So, if I apply what you said to this idea--it seems we will not necessarily see our earthly families in heaven again.

-- Is that right?

I have never heard anyone use these verses in Matt 16:18-19 in reference to grieving. It's talking about the keys to the kingdom of heaven. How things operate in our lives on this earth as we speak forth the word of the Lord that is already established in heaven.

We most certainly will see our loved ones that came to Christ in heaven. No one can say who is there and who isn't there in heaven. I have heard of people coming to Christ in their last dying breath. Jesus and our Father are not legalists looking for ways to keep people away from them. They love all of us and everyone will have a chance to receive Christ!

 

[oldhermit]

Scripture also says, Jesus answered and said unto them, "This is
the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent."

I think this is an interesting text. I thought man was not saved by works.

 

[Magenta]

I think this is an interesting text. I thought man was not saved by works.

Is belief a work? Most think not. Repent and believe, Jesus said. And though faith is a gift from God, are we not held responsible to lay down our opposition to God (in the natural man), that His work may be accomplished in us (in the reborn, or born again, spiritual man)?

 

[oldhermit]

Is belief a work? Most think not. Repent and believe, Jesus said. And though faith is a gift from God, are we not held responsible to lay down our opposition to God (in the natural man), that His work may be accomplished in us (in the reborn, or born again, spiritual man)?

Jesus answered and said unto them, "This is
the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent."
He seems be representing belief here as a work.

 

[Magenta]

Jesus answered and said unto them, "This is
the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent."
He seems be representing belief here as a work.

Do you think it a work? I tend to synchronize (or syncretize?) it with others Scriptures that talk about God being desirous of all coming to the saving knowledge of Truth found in no other name under heaven than Jesus Christ. So it is God's will. Is it His work in us that causes us to believe? Surely it was His work in me that moved me to lay down my opposition to Him. I guess Calvinists would call that irresistible grace, His drawing us to Him. Though I am not a Calvinist, it did become true for me, that no other answers sufficed after having direct encounters with God. I finally surrendered! \/ Honestly, it was the only reasonable thing to do, though I did try to fight it

 

[oldhermit]

Do you think it a work? I tend to synchronize (or syncretize?) it with others Scriptures that talk about God being desirous of all coming to the saving knowledge of Truth found in no other name under heaven than Jesus Christ. So it is God's will. Is it His work in us that causes us to believe? Surely it was His work in me that moved me to lay down my opposition to Him. I guess Calvinists would call that irresistible grace, His drawing us to Him. Though I am not a Calvinist, it did become true for me, that no other answers sufficed after having direct encounters with God. I finally surrendered! \/ Honestly, it was the only reasonable thing to do, though I did try to fight it

So, belief then is a work of God yet it is still something that man does.