Losing Salvation

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

So when you stand before Him, you will point out how YOU obeyed Him and are therefore YOU worthy to enter Heaven.

The works will show how much we believed. Those without works will be like the unprofitable slave who did nothing.

 

[WarriorForChrist]

Judas is a perfect example of someone who knew the truth, saw the light and refused to have faith. He never truly believed in it but was there to witness and partake in it. He was never truly saved just someone who was on the outside looking in.

 

[Grace777x70]

One does not lose salvation (being sealed by the Holy Spirit for salvation Eph 1:13) by sinning, one loses their salvation by giving themselves over to a life of sin without repentance. Choosing a life of sin wilfully...

Heb 10:26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 Anyone who has rejected Moses' law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
Heb 10:29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?

We need to read the book of Hebrews in context or that text will con you. Here is a brief explanation of what Hebrews to talking about - the author was talking to Jewish people and the temple sacrifices.

[video=youtube;yrc5EOpokSc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrc5EOpokSc[/video]

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Yes, God will work in me IF I give effort. You cannot just kick your feet up, do nothing, and wait for salvation.

The sock-puppet salvation of lawless grace.

 

[nowyouseem033]

Yes, God will work in me IF I give effort. You cannot just kick your feet up, do nothing, and wait for salvation.

yes God will work in me but first ive got to let him work in me???? if your not letting him work in you then hes obviously not your Lord. not to mention the problems that faces in regards to God. God isn't sitting in heaven thinking "oh poor me, how I wish you would let me work in you, and theres nothing I can do about it" that is a mockery of his sovereign reign as king and lord over ALL.

 

[hornetguy]

Which is just another way of saying that those who persevere will be saved. And those who don't, won't.

I agree.... and I think that by "persevere" we are to continue in our walk with Christ... which does NOT mean we will never sin again, it simply means our shortcomings and failures are covered with the grace of God.

Like was stated earlier, it's when we willfully walk AWAY from God, no longer desiring a relationship with Him, that we lose our salvation.... the "unpardonable" sin. God will not FORCE forgiveness and salvation on us. If we CHOOSE to reject Him, that's unpardonable.

 

[garee]

Then why does the bible say "...IF YOU remain faithful onto death."?

Because the faith of Christ, as generated by Christ , the Holy anointing Spirit of God that works in us... we therefore can remain faithful to death. Wherefore if we contribute it to any work we could do we will lose it. We are to put mo confidence in the flesh.

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

 

[Grace777x70]

For those that would like a longer more full teaching on Hebrews 10..here it is....grace-based and not works based teaching..

[video=youtube;IJ0i7NEYufo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ0i7NEYufo[/video]

 

[JosephsDreams]

You can't lose salvation. You can forfeit it.

 

[Grace777x70]

Here is a grace-based teaching on Hebrews 6. Folks we need to read the scriptures in context instead of what we were religiously taught by man-made religious traditions that are works-based righteousness.

[video=youtube;FZ4RjEqfXOg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZ4RjEqfXOg[/video]

 

[gb9]

well, here we another works vs grace thread. guess we went what, maybe 2 days without one???

 

[hornetguy]

The works will show how much we believed. Those without works will be like the unprofitable slave who did nothing.

Yes... our works are a sign of our salvation. But, we don't "DO" works just to "prove" to God we are saved.

It's all an attitude.. the attitude of being in Christ. We do good things BECAUSE we have been saved... it's a natural result of having Christ in us.

If we don't have Christ in us, we cannot do enough good things to earn His grace and salvation.

 

[PurerInHeart]

Because the faith of Christ, as generated by Christ , the Holy anointing Spirit of God that works in us... we therefore can remain faithful to death. Wherefore if we contribute it to any work we could do we will lose it. We are to put mo confidence in the flesh.

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

We can remain faithful to death, but some choose not to. He began a good work in us that will last till He comes, unless we leave. You cannot discount that the bible says some have left the truth and cannot come back, or the many times the bible uses the word 'if'.

 

[PurerInHeart]

Faith without works is dead, a dead faith does not save you.

 

[garee]

The sock-puppet salvation of lawless grace.

The law of grace is in respect to Christ's work of faith, it is not of our own-selves. It is of His three day labor of love. He is the just and justifier according to that work.

Romans 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Faith without works is like grace without works.So works are required just no of our own selves least any man boast in false pride.

 

[Grace777x70]

God looks at the heart of a person. Man looks at the outward appearance. An orange tree is still an orange tree even if it doesn't produce any oranges within the time frame we think it should produce oranges. It's the same for our salvation.

If we fed the orange tree with the right nutrients ( like a believer should be taught in the grace of Christ and in the love of our Father ) - it would eventually produce oranges.

1 Samuel 16:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] But the LORD said to Samuel, "Do not look at his appearance or at the height of his stature, because I have rejected him; for God sees not as man sees, for man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart."

We have the righteousness of God because we are in Christ in our inner man the new man created in Christ. This new man in Christ cannot be corrupted.

1 John 5:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.

 

[nowyouseem033]

We can remain faithful to death, but some choose not to. He began a good work in us that will last till He comes, unless we leave. You cannot discount that the bible says some have left the truth and cannot come back, or the many times the bible uses the word 'if'.

We will remain faithful to death is evidence of someone who is TRULY SAVED. they go through tough times, trials, persecutions, suffering and yet still remain faithful until the very end... it tells you they are saved because that's what saved believers DO! not perfectly ill concede but always holding on and perservering until the end

and then there are those who do not remain faithful until the end. this tells you that they never were saved. WHY? because they told Christ to take a hike when trials, suffering, persecution came. in other words Christ was never there Lord because he just got replaced. A true believer will continue until the very end because Jesus is LORD

 

[PurerInHeart]

Here is a grace-based teaching on Hebrews 6. Folks we need to read the scriptures in context instead of what we were religiously taught by man-made religious traditions that are works-based righteousness.

[video=youtube;FZ4RjEqfXOg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZ4RjEqfXOg[/video]

He is misunderstanding and discounting that that verse is true. There are so many other scriptures that use the word 'if'.

 

[PurerInHeart]

We will remain faithful to death is evidence of someone who is TRULY SAVED. they go through tough times, trials, persecutions, suffering and yet still remain faithful until the very end... it tells you they are saved because that's what saved believers DO! not perfectly ill concede but always holding on and perservering until the end

and then there are those who do not remain faithful until the end. this tells you that they never were saved. WHY? because they told Christ to take a hike when trials, suffering, persecution came. in other words Christ was never there Lord because he just got replaced. A true believer will continue until the very end because Jesus is LORD

That's not what the bible says.

 

[FreeNChrist]

IF we can lose our Salvation by sinning, then does this mean we need to be Re-baptized every time we lose our Salvation?

Notice i said IF.

Somebody's been actually thinking. It's refreshing to see someone follow ideas through to their logical conclusion.