Losing Salvation
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yes God will work in me but first ive got to let him work in me???? if your not letting him work in you then hes obviously not your Lord. not to mention the problems that faces in regards to God. God isn't sitting in heaven thinking "oh poor me, how I wish you would let me work in you, and theres nothing I can do about it" that is a mockery of his sovereign reign as king and lord over ALL.
I agree.... and I think that by "persevere" we are to continue in our walk with Christ... which does NOT mean we will never sin again, it simply means our shortcomings and failures are covered with the grace of God.
Like was stated earlier, it's when we willfully walk AWAY from God, no longer desiring a relationship with Him, that we lose our salvation.... the "unpardonable" sin. God will not FORCE forgiveness and salvation on us. If we CHOOSE to reject Him, that's unpardonable.
Like was stated earlier, it's when we willfully walk AWAY from God, no longer desiring a relationship with Him, that we lose our salvation.... the "unpardonable" sin. God will not FORCE forgiveness and salvation on us. If we CHOOSE to reject Him, that's unpardonable.
Because the faith of Christ, as generated by Christ , the Holy anointing Spirit of God that works in us... we therefore can remain faithful to death. Wherefore if we contribute it to any work we could do we will lose it. We are to put mo confidence in the flesh.
Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
Yes... our works are a sign of our salvation. But, we don't "DO" works just to "prove" to God we are saved.
It's all an attitude.. the attitude of being in Christ. We do good things BECAUSE we have been saved... it's a natural result of having Christ in us.
If we don't have Christ in us, we cannot do enough good things to earn His grace and salvation.
It's all an attitude.. the attitude of being in Christ. We do good things BECAUSE we have been saved... it's a natural result of having Christ in us.
If we don't have Christ in us, we cannot do enough good things to earn His grace and salvation.
The law of grace is in respect to Christ's work of faith, it is not of our own-selves. It is of His three day labor of love. He is the just and justifier according to that work.
Romans 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Faith without works is like grace without works.So works are required just no of our own selves least any man boast in false pride.
Romans 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Faith without works is like grace without works.So works are required just no of our own selves least any man boast in false pride.
God looks at the heart of a person. Man looks at the outward appearance. An orange tree is still an orange tree even if it doesn't produce any oranges within the time frame we think it should produce oranges. It's the same for our salvation.
If we fed the orange tree with the right nutrients ( like a believer should be taught in the grace of Christ and in the love of our Father ) - it would eventually produce oranges.
1 Samuel 16:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] But the LORD said to Samuel, "Do not look at his appearance or at the height of his stature, because I have rejected him; for God sees not as man sees, for man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart."
We have the righteousness of God because we are in Christ in our inner man the new man created in Christ. This new man in Christ cannot be corrupted.
1 John 5:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.
If we fed the orange tree with the right nutrients ( like a believer should be taught in the grace of Christ and in the love of our Father ) - it would eventually produce oranges.
1 Samuel 16:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] But the LORD said to Samuel, "Do not look at his appearance or at the height of his stature, because I have rejected him; for God sees not as man sees, for man looks at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart."
We have the righteousness of God because we are in Christ in our inner man the new man created in Christ. This new man in Christ cannot be corrupted.
1 John 5:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.
We will remain faithful to death is evidence of someone who is TRULY SAVED. they go through tough times, trials, persecutions, suffering and yet still remain faithful until the very end... it tells you they are saved because that's what saved believers DO! not perfectly ill concede but always holding on and perservering until the end
and then there are those who do not remain faithful until the end. this tells you that they never were saved. WHY? because they told Christ to take a hike when trials, suffering, persecution came. in other words Christ was never there Lord because he just got replaced. A true believer will continue until the very end because Jesus is LORD
and then there are those who do not remain faithful until the end. this tells you that they never were saved. WHY? because they told Christ to take a hike when trials, suffering, persecution came. in other words Christ was never there Lord because he just got replaced. A true believer will continue until the very end because Jesus is LORD
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