Piercings and Tattoos?

[j_tyson]

Leviticus 19:28 "Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD."

1 Corinthians 3:16-17 "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are."

Tattoos and piercings are a sin. Pretty obvious.

 

[forgivenandloved]

Leviticus 19:28 "Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD."

1 Corinthians 3:16-17 "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are."

Tattoos and piercings are a sin. Pretty obvious.

We discussed why we can't use leviticus to support that claim. and the Corinthians is pretty vagues.
reason we should use the leviticus one: 1 The LORD said to Moses, 2 "Speak to the entire assembly of Israel and say to them: 'Be holy because I, the LORD your God, am holy.
3 " 'Each of you must respect his mother and father, and you must observe my Sabbaths. I am the LORD your God.

4 " 'Do not turn to idols or make gods of cast metal for yourselves. I am the LORD your God.

5 " 'When you sacrifice a fellowship offering [a] to the LORD, sacrifice it in such a way that it will be accepted on your behalf. 6 It shall be eaten on the day you sacrifice it or on the next day; anything left over until the third day must be burned up. 7 If any of it is eaten on the third day, it is impure and will not be accepted. 8 Whoever eats it will be held responsible because he has desecrated what is holy to the LORD; that person must be cut off from his people.

9 " 'When you reap the harvest of your land, do not reap to the very edges of your field or gather the gleanings of your harvest. 10 Do not go over your vineyard a second time or pick up the grapes that have fallen. Leave them for the poor and the alien. I am the LORD your God.

11 " 'Do not steal.
" 'Do not lie.
" 'Do not deceive one another.

12 " 'Do not swear falsely by my name and so profane the name of your God. I am the LORD.

13 " 'Do not defraud your neighbor or rob him.
" 'Do not hold back the wages of a hired man overnight.

14 " 'Do not curse the deaf or put a stumbling block in front of the blind, but fear your God. I am the LORD.

15 " 'Do not pervert justice; do not show partiality to the poor or favoritism to the great, but judge your neighbor fairly.

16 " 'Do not go about spreading slander among your people.
" 'Do not do anything that endangers your neighbor's life. I am the LORD.

17 " 'Do not hate your brother in your heart. Rebuke your neighbor frankly so you will not share in his guilt.

18 " 'Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against one of your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD.

19 " 'Keep my decrees.
" 'Do not mate different kinds of animals.
" 'Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed.
" 'Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material.

20 " 'If a man sleeps with a woman who is a slave girl promised to another man but who has not been ransomed or given her freedom, there must be due punishment. Yet they are not to be put to death, because she had not been freed. 21 The man, however, must bring a ram to the entrance to the Tent of Meeting for a guilt offering to the LORD. 22 With the ram of the guilt offering the priest is to make atonement for him before the LORD for the sin he has committed, and his sin will be forgiven. 23 " 'When you enter the land and plant any kind of fruit tree, regard its fruit as forbidden. For three years you are to consider it forbidden [c] ; it must not be eaten. 24 In the fourth year all its fruit will be holy, an offering of praise to the LORD. 25 But in the fifth year you may eat its fruit. In this way your harvest will be increased. I am the LORD your God.26 " 'Do not eat any meat with the blood still in it. " 'Do not practice divination or sorcery 27 " 'Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard.28 " 'Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the LORD.29 " 'Do not degrade your daughter by making her a prostitute, or the land will turn to prostitution and be filled with wickedness. 30 " 'Observe my Sabbaths and have reverence for my sanctuary. I am the LORD.
31 " 'Do not turn to mediums or seek out spiritists, for you will be defiled by them. I am the LORD your God. 32 " 'Rise in the presence of the aged, show respect for the elderly and revere your God. I am the LORD.
33 " 'When an alien lives with you in your land, do not mistreat him. 34 The alien living with you must be treated as one of your native-born. Love him as yourself, for you were aliens in Egypt. I am the LORD yourGod.35 " 'Do not use dishonest standards when measuring length, weight or quantity. 36 Use honest scales and honest weights, an honest ephah [d] and an honest hin. [e] I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt.37 " 'Keep all my decrees and all my laws and follow them. I am the LORD.' "

do we keep all those?

 

[Cako53]

Leviticus 19:28 "Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD."

1 Corinthians 3:16-17 "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are."

Tattoos and piercings are a sin. Pretty obvious.

Hmmmmm. Apparently you have not read the last page of this thread. Leviticus does not apply to this, go back a page or two and you can see. As for 1 corinthians 3:16-17, how is piercings or tattoo's defiling the temple of God? Who is to judge that? If you can provide some solid scripture as to how it is defiling the temple of God, I will certainly believe you.

 

[auntvicki]

I only have reg holes in my earlobes, but I'm planning to expand later on...
My mom thinks getting more piercings is ridiculous. Can't imagine what she'd think about a tat haha. But I mean I know my personal levels of conviction; what I'm comfortable with, and so eventually (even if I have to wait till I'm out from under her wings), I will def explore the idea of tattoos/piercing. Nothing TOO crazy, though

There IS a lot of controversy over this though...I don't think God directly says anything against tattoos. Most people get them for a special reason anyways (that's why I would get one), not just to plaster ink mindlessly all over their bodies!

 

[Kathleen]

Kathleen, you have the same name as me but mines is speeled with a Y.

But Yo, I agree with Kathleen. Its Sinning. Real Talk. Check Out Leviticus.



Leviticus 19:28

• "Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD."

If the word of GOD is not enough for you to believe that its NOT right, then theres no debating with ya.

awsome, i LOVE my name :L
its awsome! :L(Y)

Not sure if anyone else went there yet, but I did. Sorry if someone has already posted this.

I realize this, lol. someone is going to flip over it and take it the wrong way. I just noticed that now. I know they are different things I just thought it was a good picture, because in a way it is true. I'm not saying that everyone should have them. I'm just saying that Jesus dying on the cross for me did save my life.

I am sorry Caleb, im sure you are expecting this to come from from me...but I AM SHOCKED !! and actually quite discusted.
Jesus getting nails in his hands and feet did save us. You got that right, but to compare body peircings, often for fashion, to the DEATH of the Lord Jesus Chirst my saviour, is to me, very discusting. I do understand where you are comming from, and what u do mean...but i am revoltedand strongly detest thsi picture, when coompared to body peircings.

 

[Cako53]

awsome, i LOVE my name :L
its awsome! :L(Y)





I am sorry Caleb, im sure you are expecting this to come from from me...but I AM SHOCKED !! and actually quite discusted.
Jesus getting nails in his hands and feet did save us. You got that right, but to compare body peircings, often for fashion, to the DEATH of the Lord Jesus Chirst my saviour, is to me, very discusting. I do understand where you are comming from, and what u do mean...but i am revoltedand strongly detest thsi picture, when coompared to body peircings.

Not trying to get technical here, but really when you think about it, Jesus' cruxifiction, was exactly that, body piercings. See let me give you the definition for both.

pierce: .
1.
to penetrate into or run through (something), as a sharp, pointed dagger, object, or instrument does.
2. to make a hole or opening in.

3. to bore into or through; tunnel.



Body: the physical structure and material substance of an animal or plant, living or dead.


I think that taking both these definitions into context would really make sense that Jesus had His body pierced. Thus, making it a body piercing. So, as to why you are disgusted, I am kinda curious.

 

[HumbleSaint]

hmmm. I suppose clipping my toe nails should be thrown out now as well?

What does trimming your toe nails have anything to do with eggs in china?

 

[Cako53]

What does trimming your toe nails have anything to do with eggs in china?

Well, I have no clue where eggs in China came from, but I was commenting on your post earlier. There was nothing about eggs in China in your post.

 

[forgivenandloved]

Not trying to get technical here, but really when you think about it, Jesus' cruxifiction, was exactly that, body piercings. See let me give you the definition for both.

pierce: .
1.
to penetrate into or run through (something), as a sharp, pointed dagger, object, or instrument does.
2. to make a hole or opening in.

3. to bore into or through; tunnel.



Body: the physical structure and material substance of an animal or plant, living or dead.


I think that taking both these definitions into context would really make sense that Jesus had His body pierced. Thus, making it a body piercing. So, as to why you are disgusted, I am kinda curious.

Body piercing is by choice and style Christ's piercings we not so don't even disgrace our Lord's dying on the cross as body piercing. I'm for body piercing but not for you comparing Christ's horrible death to body piercing.

 

[Cako53]

Body piercing is by choice and style Christ's piercings we not so don't even disgrace our Lord's dying on the cross as body piercing. I'm for body piercing but not for you comparing Christ's horrible death to body piercing.

They were though. His body was pierced, was it not? Therefor he had body piercings. That is a common sense thing. I'm not saying that he wanted them, but he had them. The exact definition would point that he had body piercings. You should be able to see that.

 

[MahogonySnail]

Are you serious? Jeuss had a spear stuck in his side and nails through his hand. Torture.

Do you also say that if an american soldier gets the whole side of his face burnt off he has a tattoo?

 

[Cako53]

Are you serious? Jeuss had a spear stuck in his side and nails through his hand. Torture.

Do you also say that if an american soldier gets the whole side of his face burnt off he has a tattoo?

Yes, I am serious. However, I'm not saying that that is why I think they are fine. It was simply a picture that I put up. I understand it was tortue. He had is hands PIERCED. His hands are part of His body. He had a BODY PIERCING. I am not saying that I think they are fine because Christ was nailed to a cross.

 

[forgivenandloved]

They were though. His body was pierced, was it not? Therefor he had body piercings. That is a common sense thing. I'm not saying that he wanted them, but he had them. The exact definition would point that he had body piercings. You should be able to see that.

Body piercing is the practice of puncturing or cutting a part of the human body, creating an opening in which jewellery may be worn. By this definition Jesus did not have a body piercing. Okay thanks.

 

[MahogonySnail]

Yes, I am serious. However, I'm not saying that that is why I think they are fine. It was simply a picture that I put up. I understand it was tortue. He had is hands PIERCED. His hands are part of His body. He had a BODY PIERCING. I am not saying that I think they are fine because Christ was nailed to a cross.

Well nails and crosses were in fashion at that time.

 

[Cako53]

Body piercing is the practice of puncturing or cutting a part of the human body, creating an opening in which jewellery may be worn. By this definition Jesus did not have a body piercing. Okay thanks.

Well now we are hearing two definitions. Which to believe?

 

[forgivenandloved]

Well now we are hearing two definitions. Which to believe?

you defined pierce and body separately which is different than the definition of body piercing.

 

[Pineapple]

I really don't mind what people do with their bodies. They can have an arrow implanted through the top of their head for all I care. I just hate it when people make up these crappy excuses like ''I did this for God!'' or ''I got this tattoo to witness to people!''. So lame, seriously, they can't even admit that they got it because they wanted it. Instead they'll lie and use God as an excuse to fulfill their wants. These things may be a product of what they do, but most of the time they most certainly are not the reason.

 

[Commendez]

what a lot of people seem to miss with regards to Leviticus 19:28 is the context of the era in which it was made law for the nation of Israel. Piercings and tattoo's IN THOSE DAYS were made to identify the person with a religious idea or an act of beauty. Take the girls of the Ndebele people of South Africa who wear neck rings to signify their marriages OR the indigenous Maori of New Zealand who tattooed their bodies and faces as a spiritual connection with the 'other world'. The people of God had to stand out from the rest, and by not marking themselves they made sure that's one aspect that had them different to these (and MANY other) pagan beliefs. Not just that but the health side of it too, with beauty rings causing immense physical complications, you could imagine this was one practice God would want HIS people to stay clear from.
We forget that Israel didn't have have a TV to dictate to them what to wear, what was last season or what's the latest fashion. So to them, there was no such thing as a tattoo for a fashion statement, and thanx to the 2nd commandment we know they weren't struggling with ideas on how to draw a 'Godly' symbol. In today's Society however, the lines aren't so clear in certain ways. Sure, the obvious answer to having (for example) an ancient tribal drawing tattooed IS ungodly because it's origin WAS FOR the direct worship of what the Old Testament teaches as being pagan. However, a bible verse tattoo (that could have immense personal meaning and can be used as an ice breaker to reach to others) could not be so easily dismissed as ungodly.
It's true that God see's our hearts over our actions but we have to make sure our decisions are not being made to follow a trend, because it is then that we are more open to the possibility/probability that it is ungodly.

 

[Cako53]

you defined pierce and body separately which is different than the definition of body piercing.

Well, the definition of a word actually changes from person to person. There is no universal definition for one word, thus when you look on a dictionary they have many different meanings for it. It also changes due to context.

 

[forgivenandloved]

Well, the definition of a word actually changes from person to person. There is no universal definition for one word, thus when you look on a dictionary they have many different meanings for it. It also changes due to context.

whatever keep thinking Jesus got a body piercing cause no matter how wrong you are; you will always justify your reasoning.
God bless