Womens Punishment ended?

[coby2]

God didn't command Adam to rule over Eve. Paul didn't command christian husbands to rule over their wife.
God said it would happen because they sinned and that was true. Look at muslim countries.

https://books.google.nl/books?id=m6...age&q=jesus ended man rule over women&f=false

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

Would someone be so kind to show me in Scriptures where the punishment given to women by GOD has ended?

Gen_3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

This is a Punishment That God gave to women for eating of the forbidden fruit.

So then my question is, WHO changed it? Who said that women are equal with men? Who said the husband WILL NOT rule over them? Who said the punishment has ended for women?

So go ahead and call me male chauvinist, or a chauvinistic pig, or whatever else you want to call me to make yourself feel better, but it will not change the TRUTH of God. Woe to this generation for the women have become men, and the men have become women.

IF God said Husband will rule over the wife. Satan teaches "NOT SO" Women are equal to men. Satan will teach contrary to what God teaches. If God says "Wives obey your husband in everything". satan will teach contrary "Wives you do not have to obey your husbands" Now in this wicked (last days generation) Women wear the pants and men just do whatever their wives say to do "or else" satan has turned this world around, and now women rule over their husbands.

But now you have NO excuses. i have told you the TRUTH, if you do not live by what the Scriptures teach, then you are living by what satan teaches. Sugar coat it all you want to, but those who continue to NOT live in the Word of God, will NOT be taken up with Him when He returns. You have been warned.

Let the stone throwing begin.

^i^

The two greatest commandments that encompass all commandments teach LOVE.

Before trying to correct and rebuke others you should look in the mirror and correct yourself. You are not bearing fruits of love, but fruits of hatred.

If you think i have born fruits of hatred then please do the Godly thing and reveal it to me. If i warn people to obey the Bible and not satan. How is that fruits of hatred? Please show me anything i have said above that is fruits of hatred? Or is it you THINK they are because you are assuming i said what i did in anger? Try reading it again as if tears were falling from my eyes as i wrote it? How is warning people to obey the Word of God considered hatred? Oh wait forgot for a moment what generation i was talking with. Calling that which is Good, evil. i have not said anything that was a lie, or untruth. i have spoken the Truth in Love. it is not my fault if you your own self view it to be said otherwise. God is my witness, Everything i said is TRUE and done in love for a generation who will refuse to hear it. What now, accuse me of a hate crime because my fruits of hatred? i am sure the prophets of old heard the same things said to them, when they always spoke of DOOM and despair coming on the disobedient. It is no different today either.

Who will pick figs from thorn bushes?

You can't pick figs from thorn bushes.

I would warn YOU to examine and test your faith ...

Are you now displaying fruits of hatred? You accuse me of fruits of hatred because of my warning, then you turn around and give me a warning also. Do you see how you are now in error by saying Warnings are Fruits of hatred. i forgive you already.

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[DiscipleDave]

Got to keep two Scriptures in mind:

"Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord." Eph 5:22

"Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it" Eph 5:25


Now please don't stone me

There are way more than Two Scriptures which teach these Truths. But we live in a generation that Take OUT of Scriptures what they do not like to hear. OR they will go about to interpret verses which they do not agree with. Husband treating their wives like slaves is wrong and evil and wicked. Wives not submitting to their husbands is wrong and evil and wicked. But leave it to this generation to call that which is Good ( Husbands love your wife, Wives submit to your husband) and turning it into evil saying they do not have to do those things any more.

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[KohenMatt]

Would someone be so kind to show me in Scriptures where the punishment given to women by GOD has ended?

Gen_3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

This is a Punishment That God gave to women for eating of the forbidden fruit.

So then my question is, WHO changed it? Who said that women are equal with men? Who said the husband WILL NOT rule over them? Who said the punishment has ended for women?

So go ahead and call me male chauvinist, or a chauvinistic pig, or whatever else you want to call me to make yourself feel better, but it will not change the TRUTH of God. Woe to this generation for the women have become men, and the men have become women.

IF God said Husband will rule over the wife. Satan teaches "NOT SO" Women are equal to men. Satan will teach contrary to what God teaches. If God says "Wives obey your husband in everything". satan will teach contrary "Wives you do not have to obey your husbands" Now in this wicked (last days generation) Women wear the pants and men just do whatever their wives say to do "or else" satan has turned this world around, and now women rule over their husbands.

But now you have NO excuses. i have told you the TRUTH, if you do not live by what the Scriptures teach, then you are living by what satan teaches. Sugar coat it all you want to, but those who continue to NOT live in the Word of God, will NOT be taken up with Him when He returns. You have been warned.

Let the stone throwing begin.

^i^

My wife will be giving birth next month.
I'll let you know about God changing the pain in childbirth thing then.

 

[DiscipleDave]

Any marriage based on a husband insisting on ruling over his wife would be a most unhappy marriage. A happy marriage would have a husband who choses to love his wife rather than have her be subservient to his every whim and desire.

This generation still lacks understanding being on milk and not meat. It is irrelevant what the husband does toward the wife, it is irrelevant what the wife does toward the husband. What is Relevant, is the husband living to please God? Is the Wife living to please God.

What is relevant to God is if a wife is living by the Word of God or not. Regardless what her husband does or treats her. It is a false thing to give only if you are given to, a 50/50 relationship is a lie. YOU (husband or wife) give 100% Regardless what the other is giving back to you. You live your life to please God. Husbands love your wife, even if she is unlovable, because you are commanded by God to do so. Wives submit to your husbands, even if they are controlling, and treat you like a slave, because you are commanded by God to do so.

When a wife says "I am not going to submit to my husband because he ___________________________________" It is an excuse. You are commanded by God to submit to your husband. the ONLY time you do not have to submit to your husband is if he is asking to commit sin, or asking you to do something that you feel is against God and/or your belief. Any other reason is just an excuse for you to not submit to your husband.

You are here on this Earth to do the will of God. Women, it is the will of God that you submit to your husbands. Men, it is the will of God that you treat your wife even as you treat your own self, to LOVE Them as you LOVE yourself.

Don't get caught up in satan's games. I will not obey him because he ___________________. or I will not Love her because she ________________________. LIES. You do what God requires of you as a good soldier of Jesus Christ, regardless how you are treated by your spouse.

^i^

 

[DiscipleDave]

And the Apostle Paul didn't write "wives OBEY your husbands, but rather "Wives, SUBMIT to your own husbands, as to the Lord." There is a huge difference.

The only family members who are commanded to obey are children to their parents.

What is the difference, if you don't mind sharing. How is wives submitting to their husband NOT obeying them? I mean if a husband says wife Please ___________, and they do not do it, How are they submitting to their husband?

Eph_5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

Eph_5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

Is it not written in Genesis that husband shall rule over the wife. (NOT interpreting what rule means, only repeating what the verse actually says) And does Scriptures plainly teach OBEY them that have the rule over you?

Heb_13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

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[coby2]

This generation still lacks understanding being on milk and not meat. It is irrelevant what the husband does toward the wife, it is irrelevant what the wife does toward the husband. What is Relevant, is the husband living to please God? Is the Wife living to please God.

What is relevant to God is if a wife is living by the Word of God or not. Regardless what her husband does or treats her. It is a false thing to give only if you are given to, a 50/50 relationship is a lie. YOU (husband or wife) give 100% Regardless what the other is giving back to you. You live your life to please God. Husbands love your wife, even if she is unlovable, because you are commanded by God to do so. Wives submit to your husbands, even if they are controlling, and treat you like a slave, because you are commanded by God to do so.

When a wife says "I am not going to submit to my husband because he ___________________________________" It is an excuse. You are commanded by God to submit to your husband. the ONLY time you do not have to submit to your husband is if he is asking to commit sin, or asking you to do something that you feel is against God and/or your belief. Any other reason is just an excuse for you to not submit to your husband.

You are here on this Earth to do the will of God. Women, it is the will of God that you submit to your husbands. Men, it is the will of God that you treat your wife even as you treat your own self, to LOVE Them as you LOVE yourself.

Don't get caught up in satan's games. I will not obey him because he ___________________. or I will not Love her because she ________________________. LIES. You do what God requires of you as a good soldier of Jesus Christ, regardless how you are treated by your spouse.

^i^

Yes except when there's real abuse. That was a reason for divorce in the O.T. and according to one guy Jesus never changed that. Nowadays people call it abuse if they get one stomp, that's not what I mean, but real abuse and he refuses to be set free from that demon, you may divorce. One woman obeyed in everything and the police said it was her fault that she didn't protect the kids. He was religious and been taught that she had to listen. She's an atheist now.

Bible Scandals - 4. Marital Abuse - bethinking.org

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

Gen_3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

hm!

i do hope it ameliorates things for you that childbirth is still painful?

Please take note that it is the Word of God that quotes that statement NOT me. It is nothing to me that women still experience the punishment of painful childbirth. But i am certain it is still important to God, hence the reason that punishment still continues. But what is it to me?

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[coby2]

Please take note that it is the Word of God that quotes that statement NOT me. It is nothing to me that women still experience the punishment of painful childbirth. But i am certain it is still important to God, hence the reason that punishment still continues. But what is it to me?

^i^

Ever read supernatural childbirth? It's full of testimonies of women who stood on His Word and had an absolute painfree deliverance.

 

[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by DiscipleDave

Would someone be so kind to show me in Scriptures where the punishment given to women by GOD has ended?

Gen_3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

This is a Punishment That God gave to women for eating of the forbidden fruit.

So then my question is, WHO changed it? Who said that women are equal with men? Who said the husband WILL NOT rule over them? Who said the punishment has ended for women?

So go ahead and call me male chauvinist, or a chauvinistic pig, or whatever else you want to call me to make yourself feel better, but it will not change the TRUTH of God. Woe to this generation for the women have become men, and the men have become women.

IF God said Husband will rule over the wife. Satan teaches "NOT SO" Women are equal to men. Satan will teach contrary to what God teaches. If God says "Wives obey your husband in everything". satan will teach contrary "Wives you do not have to obey your husbands" Now in this wicked (last days generation) Women wear the pants and men just do whatever their wives say to do "or else" satan has turned this world around, and now women rule over their husbands.

But now you have NO excuses. i have told you the TRUTH, if you do not live by what the Scriptures teach, then you are living by what satan teaches. Sugar coat it all you want to, but those who continue to NOT live in the Word of God, will NOT be taken up with Him when He returns. You have been warned.

Let the stone throwing begin.

^i^

So much hostility.

Really? That is what you read? Try to read it again and this time do not read it as though you THINK i am being hostile. But this time read it as if said from a Parent to children who do not listen. A person who knows the Truth trying to teach a generation who will refuse to hear it or believe it.

Did you see my body language when i wrote that?
Did you hear the tone of my voice when i wrote that?
Was i crying when i wrote that?
Was i angry when i wrote that?

This generation assumes the worst when they read posts. Would it not be better and more Godly to think the best?

What part of all that i have said above do YOU feel is hostility?

^i^

 

[DiscipleDave]

Thanks Momma, now I have to go google the meaning of ameliorate.

i also had to google it. Good stuff.

^i^

 

[DiscipleDave]

Oh when I saw the title I thought you meant medication for a pain free deliverance.
Well we still have the pain etc. of that lol and a bossing around lazy guy isn't very helpful when you're pregnant and can also take the other curse because they don't want to work. Luckily for some women some men have gotten a new nature so they're like Christ who gave His Life for His bride.

Very True, and are we all not to obey Christ?

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[DiscipleDave]

allow me to try again.

you know you're pushing buttons based on your last line.

i know that the question that i asked will cause those who do not live by the Bible to become upset. But that is not my intentions, my intentions is for someone to answer the question that i presented in the OP.

and you offer a thinly veiled threat... well, let's face it, not veiled at all... with the final paragraph.

A warning to obey the Word of God is a threat? Well i could see it being a threat to those who do not obey the Word of God. How often did God threaten people (as you call it) If you do not keep my Sabbaths i will not rain on your crops. Was that a threat or a warning. You can call it a threat if that is what YOU feel it is, but God is my witness it is a warning to a generation that will not heed it, therefore to them it will be a threat. Why listen to a threat right? Now if it were a warning then you might listen to it, but if it is a threat, you don't have to listen to it at all now do you? Threat or Warning, depends by what spirit you listen to doesn't it?

i could easily come back with a remark like:
i hope you earn your living subsistence farming sweat of your brow-style because that's your 'punishment'.

Have i said anything to psychomom about her punishment? Why then do you bring up my punishment? and Yes i sweat daily at my job, i carry deodorant in my cooler because of it. Now do you want to tell me about your painful labor?
Do you think i am hoping that you suffer the punishment given to women? what spirit has been telling you that i do that, or think that? This is what i meant when i said let the stone throwing begin.

but see how i resist doing that?

i see what you did there. just don't agree with it.

probably because it easy for me to submit to my lovely husband.

According to the Word of God wives are to submit to their husband PERIOD, there is no stipulations that say only submit to your husband if they are a loving one, like you claim to have. Wives are to submit to their husbands because that is what God says to do. What then. You only submit to your husband because your husband is loving? A husband and wife both worship the devil, and that wife submits to her husband because her husband loves her so much. Both will burn in hell regardless if that husband loves his wife, and regardless if that wife submits to her husband. Tell me which is better a wife that submits to her husband because the Word of God teaches she must, or a wife that submits to her husband because he is a loving husband? So is a wife to submit to her husband because God says so, or because he is a Loving Husband?

he values my opinion, asks for it, often acts on it.
and he's so busy laying down his life for me, if he ever asks anything of me i'm delighted to do it!

Its to bad you are not delighted to do it because it is obeying the Word of God, but you delight to do it because all that he does for you. This is a 50/50 relationship. Will you only submit to him as long as he continues to do all those things?

the literal LAST thing he would ever do is tell me, ell? if you don't obey me you're damned.
because he knows the Gospel.

It is irrelevant what He says to you, what is relevant is God tells you to submit to him? What then, if he says obey me, then you do not have to do what the Word of God tells you to do, making the Word of God void because of your husbands words?

Why do you think i gave the warning? This generation better start obeying the Word of God and what it plainly teaches or else. Call that a threat, call it a warning, call it a consequence. Call it fruits of hatred. Doesn't change the TRUTH of the statement.

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[DiscipleDave]

so your salvation isnt enough? Christ will damn you because you didnt obey?

You were doing well until you closed with that...

This is the closing statement

But now you have NO excuses. i have told you the TRUTH, if you do not live by what the Scriptures teach, then you are living by what satan teaches. Sugar coat it all you want to, but those who continue to NOT live in the Word of God, will NOT be taken up with Him when He returns. You have been warned.

Let the stone throwing begin.

^i^

Where have i said Christ will damn you, as you accuse me?

What i said is TRUTH, if then there is a part of that you do not agree with, then point what i said that you do not agree with? You either live by the Word of God or you don't. Those who live by the Word of God which Word is JESUS, Will not be Saved. Those who live by the Word of God (live by JESUS) will be Saved. Jesus said in the Word of God Love One Another, Those who live by that will be Saved, those who don't won't be, no matter what they claim with their mouths.

i have not said anything untrue, if i have then reveal it.

^i^

 

[DiscipleDave]

Let's see - Jesus??

Jesus fulfilled the law, broke the curse (for men and women, as well as the earth).

that does not negate the punishment God gave to man and woman for disobeying His Commandment in the Garden of Eden, now does it? That is the whole purpose i asked what i did in the OP When did that punishment stop?

While this world is not what it will be when Jesus returns, as Christians we are certainly to love one another. God is the one who is in charge of punishment, or perhaps a better word would be "discipline." And discipline is hard, but it helps us grow and be conformed to the image of Christ.

Never said otherwise. and the punishment God set for man and woman for disobeying HIs Commandment can be found in Genesis.

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." Matt 5:17

"Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline, so be zealous and repent." Rev. 3:19

And again, to the OP, who would have us live under the curse of the law.

what is wrong with this generation, would it have been to difficult for you to ask "Dave are you saying we are to live under the curse of the law"? NO what i get instead is false accusations which is not of God nor comes from the TRUTH. Who told you that i would have you live under the curse of the law? i did not say or even imply that any where at all, this is what through your own thinking have assumed. Would it not have been more Godly to have asked me if that is what i believe, before assuming that is what i teach. No not this generation, don't do the Godly thing and ask me, just accuse it instead.

"

10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.”11 Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.”12 But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.”13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”—14 so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith." Gal. 3:6-10

How does Jesus want us to live? Does he want us to live with men being twisted and destroyed with a power ethic, one of domination, or does Jesus want us to love one another?

Have i said otherwise? NO, you only assume that i have said or thought this. Know you not that i have wrote an entire article on we are no longer to obey the Old Testament? click HERE and see where i stand on that topic. Or just continue to assume that i am ignorant on that matter.

"

A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another.35 By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.” John 13:34-35

Please note that this is a NEW commandment, which means we no longer follow the rules and admonitions of the Old Testament.

Never said otherwise, only in your mind do i believe that should.

Using Genesis 3:16 to prove how we should live in the New Testament is a very bad hermeneutic. It is necessary to read the whole Bible, and to see the way Christ changes the way we are to live, and gives us a new ethic. Yes, repentance and forgiveness is part of that ethic, but we are not to lift proof texts out of Genesis and then forget the whole reason Christ came was to be a perfect sacrifice for sin, so the Old Testament is no longer in force, including the consequences of the Fall.

lol, did child bearing stop being painful? So that punishment is still in force yes? Do men still sweat to make a living? So that is still in force too, yes? Is the consequences of Death still present? So then that punishment is still in force, regardless if you say the consequences of the fall are no longer in force? What about the prophesies in the Old Testament are they still in force today? Yes they are. Of coarse we are no longer bound to obey the laws of the Old Testament. But the Old Testament is full of Blessings and Punishments, and the New Testament enforces those two. It is written Tribulation and anguish upon every soul that does evil. so then there will be Tribulations and anguish upon every person that does evil, The Word of God does not lie.

Perhaps, Dave, you need to take a course or do some studying on Biblical interpretation, or hermeneutics, before you come back to CC posting outrageous and totally incorrect posts.

Interpretations belong to God, NOT to men. But you think i should take a coarse on Bible interpretation. lol, you do not know or understand the Truth of interpretations. Interpretations belong to God NOT to men, so you go take your coarses so you can interpret the Word of God as you see fit. i will continue to believe God and what He has told me, OK?

You say it is an incorrect post. Will you be like this generation or will you be like a child of God. Instead of merely accusing me of posting something incorrect, do the Godly thing and reveal what i said that is incorrect. Thanks

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[kaylagrl]

This generation still lacks understanding being on milk and not meat. It is irrelevant what the husband does toward the wife, it is irrelevant what the wife does toward the husband. What is Relevant, is the husband living to please God? Is the Wife living to please God.

What is relevant to God is if a wife is living by the Word of God or not. Regardless what her husband does or treats her. It is a false thing to give only if you are given to, a 50/50 relationship is a lie. YOU (husband or wife) give 100% Regardless what the other is giving back to you. You live your life to please God. Husbands love your wife, even if she is unlovable, because you are commanded by God to do so. Wives submit to your husbands, even if they are controlling, and treat you like a slave, because you are commanded by God to do so.

When a wife says "I am not going to submit to my husband because he ___________________________________" It is an excuse. You are commanded by God to submit to your husband. the ONLY time you do not have to submit to your husband is if he is asking to commit sin, or asking you to do something that you feel is against God and/or your belief. Any other reason is just an excuse for you to not submit to your husband.

You are here on this Earth to do the will of God. Women, it is the will of God that you submit to your husbands. Men, it is the will of God that you treat your wife even as you treat your own self, to LOVE Them as you LOVE yourself.

Don't get caught up in satan's games. I will not obey him because he ___________________. or I will not Love her because she ________________________. LIES. You do what God requires of you as a good soldier of Jesus Christ, regardless how you are treated by your spouse.

^i^

This concept is totally foreign to my marriage. As a couple,we make decisions as one. We want what is best for us both. We work together,there are no "roles" in our marriage. Neither of us would make a large decision without discussing with the other person the pros and cons. He wants what is best for me and I feel the same about him. Two are to be one,is that not so? Very different idea of marriage than I am use to.

 

[DiscipleDave]

So Dave, have you always felt like your Mom favored your siblings more than you?

i don't see the relevance in the question pertaining to the topic at hand. But to answer your question, i would think she probably probably favored me moreso.

i was the oldest of 5 kids and my Mom was single, who wanted her when she had five kids. When i was 10 i was baby sitting, when i was 12 i was the man of the house, i punished my brothers and sister when they did wrong or got bad grades. When i was old enough to work at a job with parents consent i worked a full time job (dishwasher) and went to school. Mom wanted me to drop out of school, but i refused to do so. i liked school, it was not work. i bought my siblings school books, clothes, toys for Christmas. My Mom was a waitress, if she did not make any tips we did not eat that day. But Mom would get corn from a corn field to feed us. Bless her heart but it was always field corn that she got. i went to 20 different schools before i graduated, because Mom would buy food for her 5 children before paying the rent. Most of us kids slept in one bed. But i don't think she favored them over me, i grew up hearing from Her how much of a Blessing i was to her, and if it weren't for me she would not know what she would have done, kind of talk, for all that i did for her. i would make sure the house was clean ( a dump you can only make so clean though) and dinner was made, when Mom would get home, i would have one brother rub Moms feet, and another rub her back, sometimes we would put on plays for her, stories out of the Bible most of the time.

Sorry rambling, but to answer your question, i hope it was legit and not something other, but NO she did not favor my siblings more than me.

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[DiscipleDave]

Originally Posted by psalm6819

So Dave, have you always felt like your Mom favored your siblings more than you?

hahaha do you think they're sisters?

Tell me do you think God in Heaven smiled because of this
or
does satan smile because of this?

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[DiscipleDave]

Do you think Dave is sitting back laughing? hmmmmm
I do wonder ya know

laughing about what? i am still waiting for someone to answer the whole reason this thread was started, for someone to tell me when did the punishment for women ended?

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[JosephsDreams]

All woman should submit to God. Also all men should too.
After that, it'll all fall into place.
Simple.
Where's the confusion at?