FILTHY PIGS?

[Tintin]

Greetings thepsalmist,



True! A very unwise request asking Jesus to leave your town. You'd think that they would be amazed and thankful that the demon possessed was cured. Just an FYI, I always notice this every time I read this same event, which is that both Mark and Luke record a single possessed man, opposed to two found here in Matthew. Below is the comparison:


Matthew 8:28
"When he arrived at the other side in the region of the Gadarenes, two demon-possessed men coming from the tombs met him.

Mark 5:2
"They went across the lake to the region of the Gerasenes.When Jesus got out of the boat, a man with an impure spirit came from the tombs to meet him"

Luke 8:26
"They sailed to the region of the Gerasenes, which is across the lake from Galilee. When Jesus stepped ashore, he was met by a demon-possessed man from the town.

Both Mark and Luke are in the singular and Matthew is in the plural. I've always been partial to Luke's version, for in Mark it is recorded that the demons begged Jesus not to send them out of the area, but Luke's version gives a better understanding what they were actually saying when they begged Jesus not to send them into the Abyss. And Matthew's account doesn't even bring the issue up.
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There must have been two demon-possessed men who lived in the tombs. One of them must have drawn less attention to himself to not even receive a mention in the other Gospels. If we have his Gospel to go by, Matthew was very much a man enamoured with recording the little details.

 

[KJV1611]

Hello KJV1611,

Good to see the face linked to the name. Just FYI, There is no Gentile church, for the church is made up of both Jew and Gentile. Also, I can't remember there being a falling away of the Gentiles.

Yes the true church is both Jew and Gentile but we are in the times of the Gentiles right now and this group is going to fall away.

2 Thessalonians 2:3 KJV
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come , except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

 

[Ahwatukee]

Paul didn't fight Law Keepers he fought Judaisers. These were Jewish believers who insisted that Gentiles had to be circumcised to become Jewish before they could be saved. Paul was a Pharisee he never abandoned the
teachings of the Law or Torah (Teaching), as written in the five books of Moses. It was the oral traditions that both Jesus and Paul spoke against and these traditions are now found in the Talmud used in modern Judaism.

Hello tanakh,

First of all, Judaizers are those who were claiming that the Gentiles should be circumcised and to follow the Law of Moses. Under this new covenant Neither Jew nor Gentile is under the law of Moses, for we are saved by grace through faith apart from the works of the law.

Paul was a Pharisee he never abandoned the teachings of the Law or Torah (Teaching), as written in the five books of Moses.

Paul most certainly did abandon putting himself under the law to obey it and he also said that regarding his being a pharisee and a Hebrew of Hebrews, and born of the tribe of Benjamin, he counted all of that as garbage that he might know the resurrection of Christ:

"Watch out for those dogs, those evildoers, those mutilators of the flesh. For it is we who are the circumcision, we who serve God by his Spirit, who boast in Christ Jesus, and who put no confidence in the flesh— though I myself have reasons for such confidence. If someone else thinks they have reasons to put confidence in the flesh, I have more: circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; in regard to the law, a Pharisee; as for zeal, persecuting the church; as for righteousness based on the law, faultless.But whatever were gains to me I now consider loss for the sake of Christ. What is more, I consider everything a loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have lost all things. I consider them garbage, that I may gain Christ and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ—the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith.

Paul considered all that he was as pertaining to the law as garbage. As believers we are not under the law, for our salvation is not by the keeping of the works of the law, but by trusting in Christ as the One who alone provided salvation for us. It is our trusting in him as accomplishing salvation completely and fully for us that we are saved. Anyone who is brings in anything of their own efforts as a requirement for salvation has wander away from grace and is basically saying that Jesus sacrifice was insufficient.

Jesus met the righteous requirements of the law on our behalf. As scripture states, The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. And where there is no law, there is no transgression. Scripture also states that the law was only meant to last until Christ came:

"Why then was the Law given? It was added because of transgressions, until the arrival of the seed to whom the promise referred."

"Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under the law as our guardian."

 

[Ahwatukee]

Yes the true church is both Jew and Gentile but we are in the times of the Gentiles right now and this group is going to fall away.

2 Thessalonians 2:3 KJV
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come , except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Yes, I agree. But I was just clarifying that the church is not made up of just Gentiles.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Mark 5:2
"They went across the lake to the region of the Gerasenes.When Jesus got out of the boat, a man with an impure spirit came from the tombs to meet him"

Luke 8:26
"They sailed to the region of the Gerasenes, which is across the lake from Galilee. When Jesus stepped ashore, he was met by a demon-possessed man from the town.

Both Mark and Luke are in the singular and Matthew is in the plural. I've always been partial to Luke's version, for in Mark it is recorded that the demons begged Jesus not to send them out of the area, but Luke's version gives a better understanding what they were actually saying when they begged Jesus not to send them into the Abyss. And Matthew's account doesn't even bring the issue up.


There must have been two demon-possessed men who lived in the tombs. One of them must have drawn less attention to himself to not even receive a mention in the other Gospels. If we have his Gospel to go by, Matthew was very much a man enamoured with recording the little details.

Yeah, but there is nothing in the scripture that would support that claim. The fact is that we have two other writers that record only one demon possessed man. I don't think that both Mark and Luke would forget to mention the other guy. Regarding Matthew being detailed, I would say that Luke would better fit that description, for Matthew didn't even record the the demons as begging Jesus not to send them into the Abyss nor did he even mention it. Just my observation.

 

[Tintin]

Yeah, but there is nothing in the scripture that would support that claim. The fact is that we have two other writers that record only one demon possessed man. I don't think that both Mark and Luke would forget to mention the other guy. Regarding Matthew being detailed, I would say that Luke would better fit that description, for Matthew didn't even record the the demons as begging Jesus not to send them into the Abyss nor did he even mention it. Just my observation.

I see what you're saying, and you may be right about Luke being more interested in the details, but there are no real contradictions in God's Word. Only perceived contradictions.

 

[prove-all]

14Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of
the kingdom of God, And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand:
repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Jesus came preaching the gospel of the comming kingdom of God,
he went out healing people, but telling them not to tell who he was.
Jesus also casting out demons, that they knew him, but said tell no man.

-only until right before his death did God reveiled to man that Jesus was the Christ.
why would Jesus not tell anyone before this, the gospel was preached before
anyone even knew his real name, the only name under heaven to be saved.

34And he healed many that were sick of divers diseases, and cast out many devils;
and suffered not the devils to speak, because they knew him.

25And Jesus rebuked him, saying, Hold thy peace, and come out of him.

44And saith unto him, See thou say nothing to any man: but go thy way,

 

[BeyondET]

Wolves run in packs and within a pack there's a leader of the pack thus verses on just one and other verses about the pack.

 

[BeyondET]

Demons need a body to act through. If a Human isn't available they will possess an animal otherwise they use objects.
What suprises me is the number of Pigs in the story. The town of Sepphoris was the main town among the ten towns mentioned it isn't far from Nazareth. I visited the place when i went to Israel. Herod Antipas had his head quarters there at some point. I didn't see any Pigs though.

the accounts of animal possession were aloud. A Demon in a animal is like a man trying to ride a raging bull. God didn't create animals for demons to be able to move in and out Easily at will, animals live by instinct not by choice like humans. Hanging around objects yes not in them no chuckie dolls running around. people are tempted were in the past and present of coarse but if a person drops their guard it can creep in and take over the body rather the person knows his or her own actions is leading to possession. Can't forget about the actors of the world who crave attention and power displaying disception.
im not ranting on the old church but in the early brick and mortar churches behind the scene there was a big business making idols and the like to visibly display blood tears etc coming from these idols which people where naive in those days if they saw a statue bleed that had a profound affect on the mind the power of persuasion. Take the movie exorcist after its release churches where flooded with calls of accounts of possessions. On acting Linda Blair did some of the voice acting in the film along with Ron Faber.

on pigs I don't see pigs where I live to seem them I would have to go to a pig farm. A lot of places in the world isn't ran like it was in past times.

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

I think the pigs committed suicide, because even though they are filthy creatures on the outside they could not bear the filth of the demons on their inside! People tolerate more filth than pigs do?


I am always disgusted by the towns reaction ... choosing their economy over Christ ... or were they all also demon possessed?

i never did see it as 'suicide' by the pigs...i always assumed the demons just did to the pigs what is in the nature of demons to do...namely destruction...

this story takes place in the gadarene or gergasene region...the people living there were probably descendants of the ancient girgashites...a canaanite nation that the israelites were supposed to wipe out... more likely than not they were pagans and almost certainly also very superstitious...after the miracle they probably viewed jesus as an 'uncontrollable' and 'dangerous' power that they could only fear...

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

VVhat I found interesting in this passage is that the demons begged Jesus to send them specifically into the pigs and Jesus obliged them. Does that point to His mercy, even to these demons? Think where else might have Jesus sent them that they pleaded to be sent into the pigs instead of the alternative.

i think it simply shows that jesus works according to his father's timetable...it was not yet time to send the demons to their appointed torment...

 

[RobbyEarl]

i think it simply shows that jesus works according to his father's timetable...it was not yet time to send the demons to their appointed torment...

Nope, just that the judgement has not come yet. So He agreed to send them into the pigs knowing that they would be freed by the pigs death.

 

[AuntieAnt]

UUMM sausage and bacon and fried cabbage and collards with ham hocks, pulled pork samich, okay I'm going to the pig store.

I want everything you mentioned plus black-eyed peas & cornbread hot from the oven.

 

[RobbyEarl]

I want everything you mentioned plus black-eyed peas & cornbread hot from the oven.

Gots to be buttermilk corn bread, oh and some cucumbers in vineagar

 

[fredoheaven]

Want a Filipino dish? This is a real deal...Tasty and Crunchy!!!

 

[RobbyEarl]

Want a Filipino dish? This is a real deal...Tasty and Crunchy!!!

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Okay now your teasing me.

 

[fredoheaven]

Nop, a first class one of a kind!

 

[RobbyEarl]

Gots to be buttermilk corn bread, oh and some cucumbers in vineagar

Don't forget the pot liqour and gravy

 

[thepsalmist]

Greetings thepsalmist,



True! A very unwise request asking Jesus to leave your town. You'd think that they would be amazed and thankful that the demon possessed was cured. Just an FYI, I always notice this every time I read this same event, which is that both Mark and Luke record a single possessed man, opposed to two found here in Matthew. Below is the comparison:


Matthew 8:28
"When he arrived at the other side in the region of the Gadarenes, two demon-possessed men coming from the tombs met him.

Mark 5:2
"They went across the lake to the region of the Gerasenes.When Jesus got out of the boat, a man with an impure spirit came from the tombs to meet him"

Luke 8:26
"They sailed to the region of the Gerasenes, which is across the lake from Galilee. When Jesus stepped ashore, he was met by a demon-possessed man from the town.

Both Mark and Luke are in the singular and Matthew is in the plural. I've always been partial to Luke's version, for in Mark it is recorded that the demons begged Jesus not to send them out of the area, but Luke's version gives a better understanding what they were actually saying when they begged Jesus not to send them into the Abyss. And Matthew's account doesn't even bring the issue up.
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You bring up a great point here which I always enjoy perusing ... Christs cloak and garments. I wanted, at one point, to merge the four gospels (four garments) into one seamless story for publication ... but the Lord told me not to ... that is why the one seamless cloak is mentioned.

But studying them together for our own edification is a wonderful thing that brings great enlightenment ... power to you!

 

[notuptome]

The pig farmers were Jewish. They would not consume the pigs but had no qualms making money off them. Jesus allowed the demons to enter the pigs knowing the pigs having more sense than men would run into the water and perish rather live with the demons inside them.

The townspeople were against Jesus because He interfered with their livelihood. They did not give a care in the world that Jesus had healed the man that the entire town had feared and had no compassion toward what great miracle had been done.

Sad story of men being more concerned about earthly things than giving God the glory for the wonders He has done.

Would not the single soul saved be worth the entire flock of pigs? Jews should have been raising sheep not pigs.

For the cause of Christ
Roger