my last argument for obedience

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hornetguy

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"Even so, I have noticed one thing, at least, that is good. It is good for people to eat, drink, and enjoy their work under the sun during the short life God has given them, and to accept their lot in life. And it is a good thing to receive wealth from God and the good health to enjoy it. To enjoy your work and accept your lot in life—this is indeed a gift from God. God keeps such people so busy enjoying life that they take no time to brood over the past."

Guys! I scored dippin' corn chips and salsa! OMNOMNOMNOMNOM!

Delicious AND Nutritious!
that Solomon guy was pretty smart, wasn't he? :D
 
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This is true Ben...did you know that there are websites that say Paul was a heretic because he conflicted with the teachings of Jesus.

In reality what they are saying is "Paul does not agree with what "I" believe Jesus' teachings meant and how they apply to us so Paul was not obeying the words of Jesus"...they have little or no understanding of the gospel of the grace of Christ.

It's all human effort to these people and they create and maintain "their" salvation by what "they do". They will say and use the name of Jesus to legitimize their "works" salvation. This is NOT the gospel. This is in fact anti-Christ beliefs even though it is masked with Christianized language.
Yes, but now I see where the problem is, some think Gods Word which is Spirit ... Some think this is the Holy Spirit, which is wrong 100%. This is not the gospel .. You have to deny the Words of Jesus to believe that... Jesus said if I don't go the comforter can't come.
 

hornetguy

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A continuation of a bunch of convoluted nonsense,
with a bunch of scriptures thrown together to make it
appear intellectual and superior.

Or you could get a backbone and just answer the question.
It's not a trick question or a trap, if you know the truth.
It's either, Yes, Jesus is God, or, No, Jesus is not God.
You pride yourself on your knowledge and obedience,
what are you afraid of?

I fail to understand why you have to make every question you ask some kind of Spanish Inquisition kind of thing. You come across as being very hateful... mean spirited.

It's difficult to take you seriously when it appears that the only reason you jump into a conversation is to hammer someone over some nit-picky point.
 
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Would it presumptuous of me to say I think we are all coming to the same thing from different angles. I have not heard any one on here say that by doing good works we earn our salvation. I think we all agree it is a gift, given freely when we accept the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross, period.

We all have to now, run our race. Didn't Jesus say within the parable of earnings that those who worked all day earned a penny and those who were seconded into the work an hour before the day's finished also earned a penny? What Our God has and what He wants to give us is His business and His right to do with as He sees fit.
The thing is we had/were given our penny (Salvation) as soon as we agreed to go into the field to work, we didn't have to put any effort in to get it (grace), because we can't it was a gift.

Now we come to our lives, the working through the day. Some don't work for long and some work for years, some have an easy job and some have it hard, some spend their life in Jesus as a bright flame to be extinguished soon after ignition others simmer gently providing a more long term beacon of light.

But there is a work to do and now is when we do it. And going out into the world is where we 'do it', looking outwards, not inwards. Inwards has been taken care of it is the outwards that we have to do. I am very conscious of this "to do"; No it (to do) is not earning, it (to do) is being faithful to the command's of Jesus in that we love each other as He has loved us and showing (doing) this love to the world so all flesh will not perish.

There is no secret to this 'to do' , it is 'to be', to 'become' To let Jesus become in all of us. isn't it?
(reading this through I am not certain the parable I chose was the best one, but I am sticking with it as a God-incidence)
Amen..I see the true Christian life as His life that is in us being expressed in and through us by His power and strength. As we grow in the grace of Christ - our minds will be renewed to walk out what is already in us in Christ.

I believe that Christ took away the sin of the world and that we believers have eternal forgiveness of sins because it is based on His riches. How rich is God?

Believing in this does not mean we do not obey Christ. It just means that we have seen what Christ did for us in His death and resurrection and perfect completed work as revealed in the gospel of the grace of God which is taught by Paul.

This does not conflict with Jesus' words when you factor in the cross and the subsequent revelation of Christ's work as Jesus revealed to Paul.

Ephesians 1:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;


 
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I fail to understand why you have to make every question you ask some kind of Spanish Inquisition kind of thing. You come across as being very hateful... mean spirited.

It's difficult to take you seriously when it appears that the only reason you jump into a conversation is to hammer someone over some nit-picky point.
Whether a person who claims to be a Christian believes that Jesus is God or not is merely a nit-picky point to you?

Wow, just wow.
 
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There is something new to me..what is "tag a building"? I used to play tag but never with a building..come to think of it..if I did - I would have won every game...:cool:
It's something people do, I wasn't really into it .. My thing was drugs and money. This tag a building stuff is more of a rascal thing. It's where people get paint cans and draw on buildings, trains, bridges.. Stuff like that, and they destroy the face of the building with their " art ".
 
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Yes, but now I see where the problem is, some think Gods Word which is Spirit ... Some think this is the Holy Spirit, which is wrong 100%. This is not the gospel .. You have to deny the Words of Jesus to believe that... Jesus said if I don't go the comforter can't come.
Amen.....there is a difference between the scriptures and the Holy Spirit. Holy Spirit is a Person and He lives inside us now. He the Comforter, Jesus and the Father are all in us because we are in Christ in some mysterious way. Well we know that those that have been baptized into the body of Christ by the Holy Spirit are one with the Lord.

Scriptures talk about the Spirit of grace being with us. The Spirit of Christ too. The Spirit of God..etc..many different terms is seems are used.
 
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We all have to now, run our race. Didn't Jesus say within the parable of earnings that those who worked all day earned a penny and those who were seconded into the work an hour before the day's finished also earned a penny? What Our God has and what He wants to give us is His business and His right to do with as He sees fit.
The thing is we had/were given our penny (Salvation) as soon as we agreed to go into the field to work, we didn't have to put any effort in to get it (grace), because we can't it was a gift.
Yes, and we have to run it lawfully. Striving to be obedient is not enough. We have to actually be obedient, not just think we are. (this is not directed at you, btw)

And if a man also strives to be crowned, he is not crowned unless he strives lawfully. 2 Timothy 2:5
 
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Not long ago you were posting some good stuff, Brainfreeze. When did your brain go from freezing to falling out?
First off, why do you talk to me like that... Then I'm waiting to find out what your talking about..
 
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It always helps to get scriptures in it's context...if you wanted to extrapolate a meaning other then what is given from the verse then the rules are = believe in Christ's work on the cross and resurrection and to grow in the grace and knowledge of Jesus our Lord. Then the grace of God will work in us to effect what the Lord has for us in this life. Phil 2:13

2 Timothy 2:4-5 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] No soldier in active service entangles himself in the affairs of everyday life, so that he may please the one who enlisted him as a soldier.

[SUP]5 [/SUP] Also if anyone competes as an athlete, he does not win the prize unless he competes according to the rules.
 
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Amen.....there is a difference between the scriptures and the Holy Spirit. Holy Spirit is a Person and He lives inside us now. He the Comforter, Jesus and the Father are all in us because we are in Christ in some mysterious way. Well we know that those that have been baptized into the body of Christ by the Holy Spirit are one with the Lord.

Scriptures talk about the Spirit of grace being with us. The Spirit of Christ too. The Spirit of God..etc..many different terms is seems are used.
Well there's many different Spirits .. Including " the 7 Spirits of God " .. This should not be confused with The Holy Spirit, The Comforter, The Helper, which Jesus spoke about and Galatians speaks on and the fruits of.
 
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Well there's many different Spirits .. Including " the 7 Spirits of God " .. This should not be confused with The Holy Spirit, The Comforter, The Helper, which Jesus spoke about and Galatians speaks on and the fruits of.
Yes..I wonder if the 7 spirits are manifestations of the Holy Spirit as Jesus had these on Him of I remember correctly?..never thought about it..have you?

Paul and John also did say that there are many other voices and spirits in the world.

1 Corinthians 14:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.

1 John 4:1 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.


 
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It always helps to get scriptures in it's context...if you wanted to extrapolate a meaning other then what is given from the verse then the rules are = believe in Christ's work on the cross and resurrection and to grow in the grace and knowledge of Jesus our Lord. Then the grace of God will work in us to effect what the Lord has for us in this life. Phil 2:13

2 Timothy 2:4-5 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] No soldier in active service entangles himself in the affairs of everyday life, so that he may please the one who enlisted him as a soldier.

[SUP]5 [/SUP] Also if anyone competes as an athlete, he does not win the prize unless he competes according to the rules.
Oh my, look at that. Paul said that it's necessary to follow rules.
 
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Well there's many different Spirits .. Including " the 7 Spirits of God " .. This should not be confused with The Holy Spirit, The Comforter, The Helper, which Jesus spoke about and Galatians speaks on and the fruits of.
It's all the same spirit. The seven spirits are just ways of describing its various qualities/natures/aspects.
 
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It's all the same spirit. The seven spirits are just ways of describing its various qualities/natures/aspects.
Scripture please, and not your assumptions would be appreciated. The Holy Spirit, is the Holy Spirit ...period
 

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Oh my, look at that. Paul said that it's necessary to follow rules.
correct, we are to follow the " rules " because we are saved, not to get or maintain salvation. as I said the other day, real fruit trees will produce fruit.
 
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correct, we are to follow the " rules " because we are saved, not to get or maintain salvation. as I said the other day, real fruit trees will produce fruit.
Which is just circular silliness. Trees that don't produce fruit are uprooted and destroyed. So obedience that results in fruit bearing is essential to salvation.
 
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Here is the "rule" if one wants to call it that - for "doing" the work of God. Do we do the work of God by our own flesh or does believing in what Christ has done for us bring about an exchanged life which manifests in bearing His fruit.

What is the "doing"..it is obviously God's work which we participate in when we have our minds renewed to the truth of who we are in Christ. His life flows through and in us which transforms us. 2 Cor. 3:17-18

John 6:28-29 (NASB)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] Therefore they said to Him, "What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?"
[SUP]29 [/SUP] Jesus answered and said to them,
"This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent."
 

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Which is just circular silliness. Trees that don't produce fruit are uprooted and destroyed. So obedience that results in fruit bearing is essential to salvation.
no, silliness is saying that we have to earn grace. your salvation is not a you and God tag-team. Titus 3.
 

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That's not at all what you guys have been saying though is the issue. your contention is that you are already SAVED. that's the doctrine you all hold to its all finished already. What did peter spend His life doing when He was saved????? its okayyou can say it :) you guys are all saying ur saved and have been imparted the righteousness of Jesus Christ, all by Grace your all new creations, you say you are standing in faith and your saved. so....how are you now saying your currently sinking and not supposed to do anything ? I cant wait to hear this one......avoidance of the truth number 88....and .....go
By your standards its better to drop dead the very instant you accept Jesus as Lord and Savior than to live decades afterwards, lest you don't live righteously enough and EARN your salvation.