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There is no spirit of GOD that is not holy spirit. One spirit, 7 aspects.
and the Spirit of God shall rest upon him, 1) the spirit of wisdom and 2) understanding, 3) the spirit of counsel and 4) strength, 5) the spirit of knowledge and 6) godliness shall fill him; 7) the spirit of the fear of God. He shall not judge according to appearance, nor reprove according to report: Isaiah 11:2-3
Amen....well said...the more we preach and teach the gospel of the grace of Christ -- the more we will grow up in Him and manifest the fruit of His life in our lives.
The true Christian life starts with depending on and receiving His grace and it ends with the same thing.. This is how we are to run the race that is set before us.. Looking unto Jesus the Author and finisher of faith.
Colossians 2:6-7 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Therefore as you have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him,
[SUP]7 [/SUP] having been firmly rooted and now being built up in Him and established in your faith, just as you were instructed, and overflowing with gratitude.
This is your classic - do we earn and maintain our salvation by our works or do we believe in the finished work of Christ by grace through faith are we saved?
Perhaps a new viewer might be helped..at least we are not name-calling "yet" ..which is a huge leap forward!..
This is not the Holy Spirit ... They are different, and you can't provide scripture saying that this is the Comforter which JESUS SAID can not come, unless He go.. Are you calling Jesus a liar?
you are wrong once again... But your on here daily trying to teach, and mods just give you free reign with this madness...
Thats the one I was thinking of too, and then there is other mentions that indicate the same in the wording
Seven eyes one stone (Christ) as shown in the Lamb (slain) and as even the Branch
Just as in Christ dwelled the "fulness" of the Godhead bodily
And he is Lamb having seven horns and eyes which are the Seven spirits of God (sent out)
And of "his fullness" we have received
Shows one and the same Spirit "dividing severally"
Just like the Lords goods, to every man according to "his Several ability"
According to the ability God gives in the same
you love Jesus???? tell me one of the many descriptions He says is Love to Him ? if you don't Know check john 14-15, and any of the op scriptures. you Love Jesus, love Him like HE makes plain. His words, the one you just praised as Lord and savior...id ask in His words " why do you call me lord lord and do not do what I say?.....
Listen you guys can cling to the doctrine of Grace, I will spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ, whoever Belongs to Him will hear His words and see the truth of what He says, and what God the Father says of Him. what do you all make of Grace and truth coming through Jesus? what is it to walk in the truth ? again check the books of 123 john and answer that one. Grace and truth is what Chjrist brought, Grace is not God, Grace and truth were offered By God in the form of Jesus Christ the Lamb......But also the King od Kings and Lord of Lords. in what Kingdom is a subject free of the Kings commands? you guys never ever even dealt with the op scriptures or the many others, your purpose is to preach a Jesus less gospel....definitely Not Christian doctrine. My true message once again is this : Go to your own Bibles, pray each time for understanding and truth, study the Lord Jesus in matthew, mark, Luke and John, but don't go into it believing its not Gods word lol. or that His words don't apply to CHRISTIANS. do that with an open Heart in prayer for say, 1 month, a chapter or 2 everyday.....after that, tell me how Jesus taught a gospel other than what He taught. and youll all save my soul.......the only catch is, I will never accept anything that disregards Jesus teachings...........this is like the 8th challenge btw
You're so sanctimonious it churns my stomach. I learned of Jesus when I was four years old and have been rejoicing in His love ever since that glorious day. Do the math, that's eight years before you took your first breath, and you once again look down your sanctimonious nose and question my love for Him.
Here's a reality check, I earned a Master's of Divinity and work as a chaplain, but that doesn't mean a thing because its not about me, its about Jesus, and that's a hard lesson you still need to learn because its not about us, its all about Him.
You're living proof that Jesus came to us with the greatest message of all time, and a very simple message at that, and yet you and people like you have been screwing that message up for 2,000 years by shutting out the Kingdom with your barrage of stumbling blocks that are contradictory to God's saving grace that is in Jesus Christ, alone.
You so proudly thump your self righteous chest time and again proclaiming your Scriptural wisdom and dedication to reading, well you better read Matthew 23 again and again and again because Jesus is talking about the likes of you.
You keep bringing up Titus 3. This is what it literally says:
not out of works which are wrought in righteousness which we do, but according to His mercy He saves us through the bath of a second birth and renewal of holy spirit, Titus 3:5
Ring a bell?
Jesus answered, “Truly, truly I say to you, unless someone is born of water and spirit, he is not able to enter into the kingdom of God. John 3:5
Just thought you might want to know that.
So you're in denial that the holy spirit is understanding, knowledge, wisdom, etc?
Poor pooky.
Maybe it's because I'm sick of the same lies being puked out by the same liars leading ppl astray with their false teachings about the grace of the True and Living God who loved us and gave Himself for us.
I consider many of their posts hateful and mean-spirited.
jj posts walls of text that always boil down to the same works-righteousness, but can't answer a simple yes or no question with a simple yes or no answer.
Pilgrimpasting continues 'liking' every post by certain false-teachers and pasting scripture and inserting her own spin on it as if she's(?) infallible.
Their arrogance and air of superiority leaks out all over this web-site like a trail of slime from a common garden slug.
Another one is so confused and convoluted in the things he(?) posts and the wholesale insults that have been directed at good, solid, bible-believing, christians, it's hard to believe he's gotten away with it this long, except most ppl are coming to the conclusion that he's either a child or is mentally challenged in some capacity so grace is extended.
But it's sad, when good ppl have been banned for lesser offenses.
Then, for some reason, you feel the need to act like a spoiled child whenever false-teaching gets challenged. I keep thinking there's still hope for you to get past that, and receive the salvation God offers by grace through faith in Christ alone, APART FROM ANYTHING ELSE, not water-baptism, not self-described 'obedience', but you keep going back to supporting the enemies of the cross who seek to establish their own righteousness and insist on imposing it on others.
Jesus called those who did 'despite the grace of God' and led others astray, keeping them from His salvation as a gift, a den of vipers and offspring of the devil.
Hateful and mean-spirited?
Fine, call me what you will. When you get saved, that will change.
Yeah, I'm hateful toward false-teaching about my Lord and Savior,
I'm mean-spirited towards false-teaching, arrogance, self-righteousness.
Yep, sure am! Especially when it comes from someone who refuses to answer a simple question.
One as important as 'Is Jesus God?' (which you seem to consider nit-picky, or the spanish inquisition. You might want to look up the meanings)
Context..context...context
Titus 3:5-7 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,
[SUP]6 [/SUP] whom He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
[SUP]7 [/SUP] so that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
John 3:5-6 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Titus 3:5-7 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,
[SUP]6 [/SUP] whom He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
[SUP]7 [/SUP] so that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
John 3:5-6 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
What I'm telling you is what Jesus said.... If He does not go, The Comforter/Holy Spirit can not come.. Now either your lying and saying the Holy Spirit was already here before Jesus, or Jesus is lying and saying it CAN NOT come unless He go.. Why deny the Words of the Messiah? Let me guess The Word is the Holy Spirit to right? ..this is complete nonsense.
Why are you focusing only on the 4 Gospels? You do know all the Scriptures were breathed out by the Holy Spirit?
If you are focusing only on what Jesus said then you need to focus also on the whole Old Testament also because the "I AM" is Jesus.
This whole issue seems to be based on the false assumption we can lose our Salvation. Exactly how can a person lose their Salvation? Can we lose our Salvation by not obeying Jesus? Did we receive our Salvation by obeying Jesus? Can we lose our Salvation by sinning? Did we receive our Salvation by not sinning?
Ephesians 2:8-9
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; [SUP]9 [/SUP]not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Salvation is not a result of works. Insisting we have to obey Jesus or we will lose our Salvation is basing our Salvation on works.
Salvation is received by Faith and Grace.
How can we lose our Salvation by sinning? Do you know that when Jesus died on the cross His Blood washed us clean of all our sins?
1 John 1:7[SUP]
7 [/SUP]but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.
For which sin that was not cleansed by the Blood of Jesus that will cause us to lose our Salvation?
The sin of not obeying Jesus was washed away by the Blood of Jesus on the Cross!
We need to understand Jesus does not see our sins anymore because He has already forgiven us for those sins by His Blood.
Therefore to teach we can lose our Salvation by not obeying Jesus proves this person really does not understand anything about Salvation.
Again i ask. By which sin that was not cleansed by the Blood of Jesus will cause us to lose our Salvation?
Listen up peoples, its not about sins or sinning, its all about FAITH! By Faith we receive Salvation! Its by Faith we obey Jesus!
As for you jasonj you need to study the WHOLE Bible, not just the four Gospels because all of the Scriptures are from God, not just the four Gospels. To limit yourself only to the four Gospels is like putting blinders on your eyes.
If you are focusing only on what Jesus said then you need to focus also on the whole Old Testament also because the "I AM" is Jesus.
This whole issue seems to be based on the false assumption we can lose our Salvation. Exactly how can a person lose their Salvation? Can we lose our Salvation by not obeying Jesus? Did we receive our Salvation by obeying Jesus? Can we lose our Salvation by sinning? Did we receive our Salvation by not sinning?
Ephesians 2:8-9
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; [SUP]9 [/SUP]not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Salvation is not a result of works. Insisting we have to obey Jesus or we will lose our Salvation is basing our Salvation on works.
Salvation is received by Faith and Grace.
How can we lose our Salvation by sinning? Do you know that when Jesus died on the cross His Blood washed us clean of all our sins?
1 John 1:7[SUP]
7 [/SUP]but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.
For which sin that was not cleansed by the Blood of Jesus that will cause us to lose our Salvation?
The sin of not obeying Jesus was washed away by the Blood of Jesus on the Cross!
We need to understand Jesus does not see our sins anymore because He has already forgiven us for those sins by His Blood.
Therefore to teach we can lose our Salvation by not obeying Jesus proves this person really does not understand anything about Salvation.
Again i ask. By which sin that was not cleansed by the Blood of Jesus will cause us to lose our Salvation?
Listen up peoples, its not about sins or sinning, its all about FAITH! By Faith we receive Salvation! Its by Faith we obey Jesus!
As for you jasonj you need to study the WHOLE Bible, not just the four Gospels because all of the Scriptures are from God, not just the four Gospels. To limit yourself only to the four Gospels is like putting blinders on your eyes.
Of course your implication is that water baptism = the bath of a second birth/born of water here. Now who like Catholics give magical quality to baptismal water?
This is ridiculous ... Might make this my new signature, sad.
1 Timothy 4:
1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1 Timothy 4:
1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
btw, house rules say that you gotta leave your 6-shooter at the door. The sheriff don't like it when you get yor' belly full of the hard liqueur of self-righteousness and start shootin' at everybody that you don't find agreeable.
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You know HRFTD I was looking at something similar (I would have posted on the baptism thread) but that is sour grapes and I thought, I will just start a blog or something. But there was a couple of things I noticed (without putting them all out there) but it dawned on me that a Pharisee come to Jesus (at night) in that picture and they rejected the water baptism of John (against themselves) and without so much of a question coming forth from Nicodemus the Lord went right for it, about being born again (of water and of Spirit) and I completely missed it, the connection was made, and then I was combing over everything again
Check it out this way, tell me what you think, I cut out most of the feelers in the end, but maybe you could probably just skim it catch which was I am going with it.
Jesus says except a man be born of water and of the Spirit he cannot enter the kingdom of God
(just scroll down)
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So who come to Jesus?
He was a man of the Pharisees. What did the Pharisees reject?
Without even a question put out there the first thing Jesus says to a man of the Pharisees is this
Jesus isnt speaking of a man being reborn after the flesh (entering back in his mother's womb)
But of "a man" to be born again is "of water and of the Spirit"
But not of the flesh (even as man and woman are one flesh) or as children of the flesh
As John was one born of woman (and he himself was filled with the Holy Ghost from the womb) who said,
Stopping right here, because Nicodemus was of the Pharisees andJohn who come in the way of righteousness baptized with water, but it shows
Rejected the counsel of God even in John (and against themselves) the Pharisees rejected his water baptism
Jesus being the Lamb of God who taketh away the sin of the world (John bears witness of) is"the way, the truth and the life" submitted to the same (although he himself knew no sin) was baptized with water
Both water and Spirit are shown within the picture of the counsel of God (even in being born again) and whether before or after having the Spirit (even as John had the Holy Ghost Luke 1:15 and knew to say he still needed to be baptized of Jesus himself) in Mat 3:14 even as John come in the way of righteousness and Jesus submitted to the same (as it became them both to fulfil all rigteousness). Jesus Christ being "the way" (we would also believe and follow).
In John 3:3 (I posted way above) where Jesus is speaking there about "entering the Kingdom of God" is in relation to "being born again".
In Mat 21:31 Jesus told the chief priests and elders of the people, "that the publicans and the harlots go into the
kingdom of God before" them (these believing on Jesus and being baptized by John) who didnt do a miracle but what he said was true. And his baptism was central to the context even there (as Johns baptism was with water). He even asked them where Johns baptism was from, whether it was from heaven or men? They wouldnt answer that (but see John 1:6 & John 1:23) and it does show the publicans and harlots being baptized by John (and that they "justfied God" in so being in Luke 7:29). So its not self justification but God justification.
And as Jesus was baptized by John, Jesus contnues to say to them here
Then we have Nicodemus who was a man of the Pharisees, or of those who reject being baptized by John who baptized with water (and rejected doing so against themselves)
The Pharisees had set them (both John and Jesus) at nought
As Jesus said to Nicodemus, "you must be born again"
And Peter says
And not of corruptible seed as Jesus said,
Even as Peter continues,
See all flesh as grass in Isaiah 40:6 that even connects back to the prophets witness of John
where 1 Peter 1:23 follows up being born again by touching back on just that point "grass and flesh"
All flesh is grass (follows Peter's mention of born again) and the word of God, and lands you here
I thought that was pretty neat, I could have laid that out better but I was still working on it
Your post just touched on it, seems to speak in accord with all the same.
(Sorry, I will cut them shorter)
This post is so excellent it needs to be quoted in case anyone missed it the first time.
I'm done here...
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1But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction
I would really like to do an in-depth study on water baptism at some point. Lot of interesting stuff there, which you have most certainly touched on here.