Hell. It is in the Bible isnt it?
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Yes, I believe in demons. I also know to test everything i see or hear...so i was hearing from the father of lies because our God is so loving he couldn't do that? Is that what your saying?
This view is said to have been the under disguise to annihilate hell in the bible. "Torture" is not a keyword for those who were inflected or imposed with penalty for the reason of offense. God will not torture but will punish offenders.
I was being facetious Ahwatukee. Hence the rolling eyes thingy
We also have gehenna which is used in reference to the lake of fire
What is conscious eternal unquenchable eternal fire if it isn't torture.... and how can any compassionate person so indifferently perpetuate it.
Of course it seems morally repugnant! No one likes the idea of hell...but honestly by your comment your making this more about what YOU feel than what the truth is...
Those that deny there is an eternal state of torment are just fooling themselves...
The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth MT 13:41-42
“Then he will say to those on his left, Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.Mt 25:41
in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might, (2Th 1:8-9)
just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.
(Jud 1:7)
And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink the wine of God's wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name."
(Rev 14:9-11)
Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
(Rev 20:14-15)
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death."
(Rev 21:8)
Call it what you will, Sheol, Grave, Hades, Hell the result is the same...eternal torment.
Nothing sadder than word game players bickering over hell when many are heading for that way.
Against the black backdrop of eternal doom the Gospel shines brighter. No wonder, there's little interest in the Gospel, it has been dressed up to look like the world's faire.
Liberty Bell...
We need to ring the Liberty Bell
'cause many men are heading for hell.
Eternity is a long time to spend
in darkness, in torment, without a friend.
Is life that important to make a name
while others are crying from beneath the flame?
Do days pass on and nights go by
as we sit and watch the last soul die?
Our hearts grow hard, our senses cold
as the devil tightens his satanic hold.
Enough, Enough, God please arise,
wipe the sleep from our heavy eyes.
There's millions of people lost out there
heading down the road of 'No One Cares'.
Give us a heart to reach these lost
with compassion that gives whatever the cost;
Grant us courage to proclaim liberty
that Jesus died to set men free,
and rose again to give them life
as a Gift of love to end man's strife
The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth MT 13:41-42
“Then he will say to those on his left, Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.Mt 25:41
in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might, (2Th 1:8-9)
just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.
(Jud 1:7)
And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink the wine of God's wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name."
(Rev 14:9-11)
Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
(Rev 20:14-15)
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death."
(Rev 21:8)
Call it what you will, Sheol, Grave, Hades, Hell the result is the same...eternal torment.
Nothing sadder than word game players bickering over hell when many are heading for that way.
Against the black backdrop of eternal doom the Gospel shines brighter. No wonder, there's little interest in the Gospel, it has been dressed up to look like the world's faire.
Liberty Bell...
We need to ring the Liberty Bell
'cause many men are heading for hell.
Eternity is a long time to spend
in darkness, in torment, without a friend.
Is life that important to make a name
while others are crying from beneath the flame?
Do days pass on and nights go by
as we sit and watch the last soul die?
Our hearts grow hard, our senses cold
as the devil tightens his satanic hold.
Enough, Enough, God please arise,
wipe the sleep from our heavy eyes.
There's millions of people lost out there
heading down the road of 'No One Cares'.
Give us a heart to reach these lost
with compassion that gives whatever the cost;
Grant us courage to proclaim liberty
that Jesus died to set men free,
and rose again to give them life
as a Gift of love to end man's strife
Sirk doesnt care for the truth. He already has a bone to pick with me over spreading the gospel. He doesnt like that idea either
Here Sirk: Since you obviously havent read this:
The Lake of Fire, or Hell, is a literal place of everlasting fire that was originally created by God as a place of punishment for Satan and the angels that followed him in his rebellion against God (Mat. 25:41). Because it is referred to as the place of “outer darkness” (Mat. 8:12; 25:30), we believe that it is most probably located at the farthest reaches of the creation. Gehenna is described in Scripture as a “furnace of fire” (Mat. 13:42); “everlasting punishment” (Mat. 25:46); “the mist [gloom] of darkness” (II Pet. 2:17); the “hurt of the second death” (Rev. 2:11 cf. 20:6,14; 21:8); “a lake of fire burning with brimstone” (Rev. 19:20; 20:10; 21:8).
While Hell was created for Satan and the other fallen angels, the unsaved of humanity from all ages will be with them in this place of torment where “there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth” (Mat. 13:42). This is the “everlasting reward” of all that die in their sins.
The Lake of Fire, or Hell, is a literal place of everlasting fire that was originally created by God as a place of punishment for Satan and the angels that followed him in his rebellion against God (Mat. 25:41). Because it is referred to as the place of “outer darkness” (Mat. 8:12; 25:30), we believe that it is most probably located at the farthest reaches of the creation. Gehenna is described in Scripture as a “furnace of fire” (Mat. 13:42); “everlasting punishment” (Mat. 25:46); “the mist [gloom] of darkness” (II Pet. 2:17); the “hurt of the second death” (Rev. 2:11 cf. 20:6,14; 21:8); “a lake of fire burning with brimstone” (Rev. 19:20; 20:10; 21:8).
While Hell was created for Satan and the other fallen angels, the unsaved of humanity from all ages will be with them in this place of torment where “there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth” (Mat. 13:42). This is the “everlasting reward” of all that die in their sins.
How do you go about testing?
If it's the bible, you are on the right track.
If it's not the bible - you're off track.
Jeremiah 7:31 And they have built the high places of Tophet, which is in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my heart.
Job 34:10 Therefore hearken unto me, ye men of understanding: far be it from God, that he should do wickedness; and from the Almighty, that he should commit iniquity.
Hello Sirk,
God is a God of Love, justice and mercy, but those characteristics do not extend to those who die in their sins. There will be not grace or mercy at the great white throne judgment, for they will be held accountable for their every sinful action, thought and idle words. Those attributes of grace and mercy are only for the living whom God chooses to bestow them upon.
What gospel is that?
This one - 1 Timothy 4:1
God's Spirit clearly says that in the last days many people will turn from their faith. They will be fooled by evil spirits and by teachings that come from demons.