Hell. It is in the Bible isnt it?

[Ahwatukee]

I don't understand, I thought what some are saying is that upon death on this planet the righteous go straight into heaven and the unrighteous go straight to hellfire? return with the Lord to where? if they are a spirit person why do they need a body?

At the time of death the righteous do go immediately to heaven i.e. their spirit/soul. The body remains on earth and is buried and decays. When Jesus returns to gather the church, he will bring with Him all of those spirits/souls who have died and been in His presence and they will be reunited with their resurrected bodies.

return with the Lord to where?

"Brothers, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you will not grieve like the rest, who are without hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, we also believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in Him.

By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. 17After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord."

"so that He may establish your hearts in blamelessness and holiness before our God and Father at the coming of our Lord Jesus with all His saints. Amen.

As the scripture above demonstrates, when the lord descends from heaven, he will bring with Him all the spirits of all those saints who have been with him in heaven. The Lord will cause their bodies to resurrect and their spirits/souls will be reunited with those resurrected bodies. Immediately after that, those believers who are still alive on earth will be changed into their immortal and glorified bodies right where they stand and will be caught up with those who will have just resurrected.

if they are a spirit person why do they need a body?

Regarding this, all I know is that the Lord resurrected in the same body that he was crucified in and we will also be resurrected and changed into those resurrected, immortal and glorified bodies. So, when we see him, we will be like him, in those upgraded, heavenly bodies.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Hello Kedge,

What is the purpose of planet earth? is earth just a training ground? what about a person that had an unforseen occurence that ended the persons life or that it was cut off too short, they never had the option to know the God of the Bible and be given the choice to serve God so where do they go?

There is nothing in all creation that is hidden from God. Even the very hairs of our heads are all numbered. Not one sparrow falls to the ground with our heavenly Father knowing it. That said, God knows the time and death of every person. He also wrote the names of those He chose to save in the book of life before the world even began. Therefore, if God had chosen someone to be saved, that person will have received the good news before the time of their death. Understand that no one is entitled to salvation, not even those whom God foreknew and predestined. AS far as why God created anything, whether angels or men, scripture says that He did it for His own good pleasure. Beyond that I know no other reason.

 

[Sirk]

I really love you to pieces my little child. I love you so much that if you don't choose me I'm going to torture you in hell for all eternity.

Does that even make any sense?

 

[Willie-T]

Yes God does know my heart unlike you. But you are 33.You must know it all. I did when I was around your age

Let's see........ that puts you only 15 years older than him... but leaves you 23 years younger than me. Gosh, according to that you must have a long way to go ....... LOL

 

[tourist]

I think MsSuzanna NEEDS people to burn in Hell for eternity

I'm sure that this is not true. She needs what we all need and that is the love of God.

 

[tourist]

Hell, lake of fire....its all the same.

Yes, it is eternal separation from God.

 

[Willie-T]

I can provide other sources if youd like. I want you to be happy
But that doesnt mean Ill tickle tickle your ears though Sorry,I cant do that

This site YOU SELECTED gives huge warnings not to allow children see their page I posted.... and yet, Jesus was all for having children around Him as He taught. He never turned them away.

A normal mind would see something very wrong in warning that children must not see Jesus' teaching.......... or, could it be such things really AREN'T Jesus' teaching, but just the way some people want to use His words?

I suspect the latter is closer to the truth.

 

[Willie-T]

Sounds to me that you two dont fully understand our creator.

I think they fully understand the one THEY follow.

 

[Willie-T]

Fine, that's good! So this means, you must believe Christ and his words about literal hell... if not Christ must be joking and the cross is nothing. What for is there that Christ to suffer, bled and died and salvation is offered if there's no hell...

Eph.2;16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slainthe enmity thereby:

Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at theright hand of the throne of God.

Christ on Hell, Hope this will suffice...

Mark 9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
Mark 9:45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
Mark 9:47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

Then, by this time in your lives, both you and MsS must be blind, and have no hands left.

 

[Willie-T]

The story of the Rich Man and Lazarus that is found in Luke 16:19-31 gives us the record of a remarkable conversation that took place in Hades between the Rich Man and Abraham. Obviously, these two men could not have had this conversation at all if Sheol/Hades is only a place where dead bodies are buried. First, there could be no communication between lifeless, decaying corpses and second, Abraham’s body, which was buried in the cave of Machpelah over 1800 years earlier, had long since decayed. Also, the rich man’s body, regardless of whether it had decayed or not, would not have been buried in the burial cave of Abraham. From the context, it is obvious that these men were in the place of departed souls rather than a burial place.

Wow! You couldn't misunderstand that parable more if you tried.... but maybe you ARE trying to misunderstand it.

 

[Willie-T]

Well even a child understands the story of lazarus and the rich man .

Obviously not. You don't seem to have the slightest idea what Jesus was talking about in that parable.

 

[Willie-T]

Well even a child understands the story of lazarus and the rich man .

I would never send my child to your "sunday school" class.

Pretty sure to send a child there would be Child Abuse.

 

[FlSnookman7]

According to the Word, we who are saved are in Heaven spiritually RIGHT NOW. (Phi 3:20, Col 3:1, Eph 2:19) Concerning hell wehther it is a lake of fire, a burning pit or whatever, the real pain wont be the heat it will be the hopelessness.

 

[Gr8grace]

He doesn't turn them off, they are just different parts of His nature. Once a person dies their record is sealed. If they died in their sins, then they will be held accountable for every sin they committed and that without grace or mercy. For the person who is in Christ, He was held accountable for every sin they committed. As Paul said,

"It is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the living God!"

Not one person is going to be held accountable for their sins. Jesus Christ died for ALL sin.

unbelievers will be judged according to their DEEDS, not sin. They will have the opportunity to make their case that they were "good enough"(Books opened) and they are judged according to their own SELF righteousness..........and it will not make the cut.

New American Standard Bible
Therefore it is not surprising if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness, whose end will be according to their deeds.

New American Standard Bible
And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.

Unbelievers still die in the sphere of their sin(Because Jesus didn't put a stop to sin) but they will not be judged according to their sin(because Jesus Christ paid for ALL sin)

 

[Willie-T]

Well even a child understands the story of lazarus and the rich man .

If you will notice in the event of the rich man and Lazarus, the rich man never asked why he was there. He knew why and that he deserved it. The only thing that he did ask was that Abraham send Lazarus back to his father's house so that his five brothers didn't go to that place of torment.

Can you go to that parable, and itemize the rich man's specific sins so that we may accurately identify them and avoid them?

 

[Willie-T]

Well even a child understands the story of lazarus and the rich man .

I'm not...I'm forming my argument as to what I know God's character to be.

What a novel idea. Go by what we are consistently shown God is all about, rather than select some juicy verses we can use to try to scare children.

 

[Willie-T]

Well even a child understands the story of lazarus and the rich man .

What is your kick with condemning everyone to hell? You scream "Preach the gospel!!" but it seems the only part of the gospel you acknowledge is condemnation. Seriously, how do you rationalize your approach in your head? I cant grasp it.

She honestly has convinced herself (or SOMEONE has) that the Gospel IS condemnation.

 

[Pemican]

I don't understand, I thought what some are saying is that upon death on this planet the righteous go straight into heaven and the unrighteous go straight to hellfire? return with the Lord to where? if they are a spirit person why do they need a body?

So, Kedge, why do you not believe in Christ? You're 53 years old. By now you've had many opportunities to believe in Christ. You've heard the gospel message many times, but you still reject Christ. Why is that?

 

[valiant]

Not one person is going to be held accountable for their sins. Jesus Christ died for ALL sin.

unbelievers will be judged according to their DEEDS, not sin. They will have the opportunity to make their case that they were "good enough"(Books opened) and they are judged according to their own SELF righteousness..........and it will not make the cut.

New American Standard Bible
Therefore it is not surprising if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness, whose end will be according to their deeds.

New American Standard Bible
And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.

Unbelievers still die in the sphere of their sin(Because Jesus didn't put a stop to sin) but they will not be judged according to their sin(because Jesus Christ paid for ALL sin)

but they are good AND bad deeds. and bad deeds are sins. He only died for their sins if they repent.

 

[Willie-T]

I think MsSuzanna NEEDS people to burn in Hell for eternity

Sadly, there probably is more than just a little truth in that evaluation.