Hell. It is in the Bible isnt it?

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Kinda seems that way. The bible says you are transformed into that which you worship.
I have often said that I think it is true that you will find the god you are looking for.

If you are looking for vengeance and retribution, you will see that.

If you are looking for love, compassion and redemption, you will see that.

You can observe this in simply asking various people to describe some movies they watched. Each will see what they live with in their minds.

"As a man thinketh, so is he."
 
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@MsSuzanna

A Question
To all who believe that God will torment people eternally.

Would you torture anyone.
Likely not.

So what you are in effect saying is that...
God is unrighteous, and you are more righteous than he is, which is a Lie.

Jesus said
You are of your father, the devil,
and your will is to do your father's desires.
- John 8:44

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That's all I have to say here
Carry On and enjoy the parade...
While it lasts.
 
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If I was a betting man, I would say that the doctrine of hell has driven more people from the loving arms of Jesus than any other issue.
 
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@MsSuzanna

A Question
To all who believe that God will torment people eternally.

Would you torture anyone.
Likely not.

So what you are in effect saying is that...
God is unrighteous, and you are more righteous than he is, which is a Lie.

Jesus said
You are of your father, the devil,
and your will is to do your father's desires.
- John 8:44

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That's all I have to say here
Carry On and enjoy the parade...
While it lasts.
The the Bible is very clear when it talks about hell. First of all it says that God wishes that none would go there. But that is our choice we have free will. We have been warned,if we make that choice we cause our own suffering and torture. The wages of sin is death. God is absolutely just and cannot tolerate sin.


Revelation 21:8 - But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Matthew 25:46 - And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Matthew 10:28 - And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.


Mark 9-
43And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Matthew 13:50 - And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.


2 Thess-In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:



Revelation 14:11 - And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.




 
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I think they fully understand the one THEY follow.
I follow the God of the Bible. If a person cannot believe the whole Bible, well.... my understanding is taught by the Holy Spirit.
 
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but they are good AND bad deeds. and bad deeds are sins. He only died for their sins if they repent.
Satan has done a masterful job at reducing Christ to paying for just some sins. Adam was wholly successful at condemning everybody, But Jesus, He was only 1/3 or 1/2 successful at paying for sin.

The Gospel is not a sin issue, nor is eternal life.........It is a Son Issue.

If you have the Son.......eternal life.

If you don't have the Son ......eternal death.

The sin issue was COMPLETELY covered By the Son. That is why every man can come to Jesus Christ for salvation and believe upon Him for salvation........... Their sins are paid for. But self righteousness and getting to the eternal state based on our own DEEDS and self merit, has not been dealt with.....yet.
 
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If man doesn't prosecute criminals based on their victims social status but God does, then that says God is a vengeful god. God is basically punishing a finite crime infinitely. That is far from just in my book and it makes God out to be worse than Hitler.
 

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I have often said that I think it is true that you will find the god you are looking for.

If you are looking for vengeance and retribution, you will see that.

If you are looking for love, compassion and redemption, you will see that.

You can observe this in simply asking various people to describe some movies they watched. Each will see what they live with in their minds.

"As a man thinketh, so is he."
But it's another thing when the God that IS finds you.
 
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kaylagrl

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If I was a betting man, I would say that the doctrine of hell has driven more people from the loving arms of Jesus than any other issue.
Wow brother, thats quite a claim there!! I cannot agree with that. The Bible warns of where we will go if we choose not to follow Him. I dont know how you can share the message of the gospel without telling people of the consequences of sin. The Bible says to fear the Lord is wisdom. Hell is a serious situation, I dont know how you could make such a statement. I really dont. The love of God will keep one from hell if we trust in Him,thats the gospel,plain and simple.
 
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That little "if" of yours is uncertainty and goes nowhere. That "if" thing makes it convoluted.
What am I supposed to do? all I can do is follow those that understand the Holy Bible, I don't understand the Holy Bible for the most part but I do think I understand the simple things, a lot of it I just don't understand. No two languages are the same, I do not understand hebrew nor aramaic nor greek so I have no other choice but to put my faith (trust) in the honesty of those that translated the Holy Bible and those that interpret the Bible's true meaning. For example, when does one know when to understand one of Jesus' parables in a literal sense or an allegory?


Someone mentioned The Rich Man and Lazarus, but what does it really mean and who should I really believe is telling the truth? for example here are some snippets from one place I read up on on the internet...

The Random House College Dictionary describes a parable as “a short, allegorical story designed to convey a truth or moral lesson.” Cruden’s Complete Concordance further expands this concept, saying that parables in the Bible were used “more generally than elsewhere.” We know that the Bible writers used situations both imaginary—as in the trees asking the bramble to be king over them (Judges 9:8-15)—and realistic in parables. Whatever form the parable took, it was only a vehicle for the moral lesson being taught.

Jesus thus rebuked the Pharisees for their disregard of the Scriptures, foreseeing that even a supernatural event would not change the hearts of those who persistently rejected the teachings of “Moses and the prophets.” The miracle of raising the real-life Lazarus from the dead soon afterward confirmed the accuracy of Jesus’ conclusion. One did rise from the dead, yet the brothers of the “rich man” did not repent. In fact, the Pharisees even plotted to kill Lazarus after his resurrection. His very life was a reminder to them of their own hypocrisy.


Today many Christians believe that the story of the rich man and Lazarus is a historical account of two individuals’ literal experiences in the afterlife. Based on this belief, some people teach that those who are consigned to the fiery torments of hell will never stop burning throughout all eternity. As with the parable of the trees and the bramble (Judges 9:8-15), however, serious problems arise with a literal interpretation of the story elements.


Can we believe that all the saints are even now gathered in Abraham’s bosom? If they are, in whose bosom does Abraham rest? And if there is really a great gulf fixed between heaven and hell, how could the rich man possibly have been heard by Abraham? Perhaps more disturbing, how could the saints enjoy the comforts of heaven while enduring the cries of the wicked being tormented?


Another dilemma that arises with a literal interpretation of this story could be called “the mystery of the empty graves.” If this is taken literally, apparently neither of the two leading characters spent very long in the grave—both being whisked away rather quickly to their respective places of reward. Their bodies obviously came along, for we find the rich man lifting up his eyes, and desiring to have his tongue cooled by a drop of water from the finger of Lazarus who was resting, as we have seen, in Abraham’s bosom. Enough graves have been exhumed in recent years to know that the bodies of the deceased are carried neither to heaven or hell after burial. They finally turn to dust and await the resurrection.


From these few examples, we begin to see that in this parable, Jesus was not trying to explain the physical realities of the afterlife. Instead, He was referring to the unfaithfulness of the Jews regarding their assigned responsibility. As stewards of the special message of truth, they utterly failed to share it with the Gentiles, who were eager to hear it. In fact, the entire chapter of Luke 16 is devoted to the subject of stewardship.


To attempt to stretch the parable of the rich man and Lazarus to cover the doctrine of hellfire is to miss the point Jesus intended to convey. The Bible speaks with unmistakable clarity on the subject of hell in many other places. Nowhere do the Scriptures teach that the wicked will continue to suffer in the fires of hell through the ceaseless ages of eternity. Rather, they will be utterly destroyed. Jesus never would have compromised the integrity of the Holy Scriptures by teaching a doctrine contrary to its own overwhelming testimony on the subject.

The Rich Man and Lazarus | Free Book Library | Amazing Facts
 

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@MsSuzanna

A Question
To all who believe that God will torment people eternally.

Would you torture anyone.
Likely not.

So what you are in effect saying is that...
God is unrighteous, and you are more righteous than he is, which is a Lie.

Jesus said
You are of your father, the devil,
and your will is to do your father's desires.
- John 8:44

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That's all I have to say here
Carry On and enjoy the parade...
While it lasts.
What we are saying is that we are not God.
His ways are not our ways..

Isaiah 55:8-9 KJVS
[8] For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord . [9] For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
 

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give one Scripture that actually teaches eternal conscious punishing. revelation does not
 
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I'm not arguing for universalism either. Universalism however is a natural extreme reaction to the extreme notion of eternal torture.
 
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kaylagrl

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If man doesn't prosecute criminals based on their victims social status but God does, then that says God is a vengeful god. God is basically punishing a finite crime infinitely. That is far from just in my book and it makes God out to be worse than Hitler.

The Bible uses those very words "Vengeance is mine,I will repay" God is love but God is 100% just. He has given warning,He has given time,He sent His only son. No one is more compassionate than the Lord. But once that time is up He will have vengeance and His wrath will come down from heaven. Make no doubt about it,He will punish the wicked in eternal fire. You best settle it in your mind.
 
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If man doesn't prosecute criminals based on their victims social status but God does, then that says God is a vengeful god. God is basically punishing a finite crime infinitely. That is far from just in my book and it makes God out to be worse than Hitler.
Sirk, Just curious.

What do you think satans final demise is? In the end, what happens to satan?
 
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Wow! You couldn't misunderstand that parable more if you tried.... but maybe you ARE trying to misunderstand it.
The story of Lazarus and the rich man is an account of history of two men. It is not a parable. You need to learn the difference
 
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Wow brother, thats quite a claim there!! I cannot agree with that. The Bible warns of where we will go if we choose not to follow Him. I dont know how you can share the message of the gospel without telling people of the consequences of sin. The Bible says to fear the Lord is wisdom. Hell is a serious situation, I dont know how you could make such a statement. I really dont. The love of God will keep one from hell if we trust in Him,thats the gospel,plain and simple.
The idea of hell you advocate for will drive a non believer away from God...almost every time. Unless they submit out fear. God doesn't want submission out of fear. That is entirely in opposition to His character.
 
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Not one person is going to be held accountable for their sins. Jesus Christ died for ALL sin.

unbelievers will be judged according to their DEEDS, not sin. They will have the opportunity to make their case that they were "good enough"(Books opened) and they are judged according to their own SELF righteousness..........and it will not make the cut.

New American Standard Bible
Therefore it is not surprising if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness, whose end will be according to their deeds.

New American Standard Bible
And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.

Unbelievers still die in the sphere of their sin(Because Jesus didn't put a stop to sin) but they will not be judged according to their sin(because Jesus Christ paid for ALL sin)

Deeds sins whats the difference? Nothing! Why strain a gnat?

Unbelievers still die in the sphere of their sin(Because Jesus didn't put a stop to sin) but they will not be judged according to their sin(because Jesus Christ paid for ALL sin)
Christ did pay for all sin but not all accepted the free gift he provided through his atonement. If the gift was not taken,the sin remains. The unsaved die IN THEIR SINS.
 
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Sirk, Just curious.

What do you think satans final demise is? In the end, what happens to satan?
Great question.
As far as what "I" know, I'm not sure. But I think God utterly destroys evil from His creation and it is remembered no more. All sin gets the death penalty I guess.