Hell. It is in the Bible isnt it?

MikeHenderson · May 17, 2016

You are missing the point Sirk. The Lake of Fire was created for Satan and all those who follow Satan.

If there is no punishment for people who reject God then how can God allow sin into Heaven? God is sinless and Heaven is sinless. God cannot allow sin into Heaven. So where are these people to go?

They cannot be in Heaven, they cannot be on the new Earth, so where will God put these people?

The Lake of Fire is the only place God can put them.

You believe God should never punish people. It has been proven over and over again in many countries that parents who refuse to discipline their children, the children turn out to be evil.

You must understand God created everything and its God who has the authority to punish His creation. Its not what you think or want Sirk, its what God has already put in place.

You can believe all you want that God is evil for punishing people, but you really need to sit down and analyze why you believe this. Where is this thought coming from? Is this from you or is this from Satan? Are you trying to do your will or are you doing the will of the Father?

You must look closer at you motives as to why you believe and teach God should not punish those who reject Him.

Sirk · May 17, 2016

MsSuzanna said:

I'm asking you. If the penalty for the unsaved is eternal damnation and torture, and Christ paid that price while we were yet sinners, it looks like God has a double standard seeins how Christ didn't really pay the price given to those who die in their sin. How do you reconcile that?

MsSuzanna · May 17, 2016

Sirk said:

No. You made a comment now back it up.

Sirk · May 17, 2016

MikeHenderson said:

You are missing the point Sirk. The Lake of Fire was created for Satan and all those who follow Satan.

If there is no punishment for people who reject God then how can God allow sin into Heaven? God is sinless and Heaven is sinless. God cannot allow sin into Heaven. So where are these people to go?

They cannot be in Heaven, they cannot be on the new Earth, so where will God put these people?

The Lake of Fire is the only place God can put them.

You believe God should never punish people. It has been proven over and over again in many countries that parents who refuse to discipline their children, the children turn out to be evil.

You must understand God created everything and its God who has the authority to punish His creation. Its not what you think or want Sirk, its what God has already put in place.

You can believe all you want that God is evil for punishing people, but you really need to sit down and analyze why you believe this. Where is this thought coming from? Is this from you or is this from Satan? Are you trying to do your will or are you doing the will of the Father?

You must look closer at you motives as to why you believe and teach God should not punish those who reject Him.

you misunderstand me if you think that I don't believe in justice.

Sirk · May 17, 2016

MsSuzanna said:

stumped ya didn't I?

Willie-T · May 17, 2016

Let us never lose the simplicity and the beauty of our message, which is not hell, but Christ!

MsSuzanna · May 17, 2016

Sirk said:

No. You made a comment that was dripping in sarcasm. I asked you to show where that was said. Then you come in with a question to my question. Why are you playing games sirk? If you want to have a discussion,lets discuss.

God doesnt have double standards. I dont think you have a clear understanding of Gods justice.
Your statements dont line up with the word.
Christ did pay the penalty for all who >Romans 10:9-10
but he has also said the demise of those who dont. Its right there! Black and white plain as day Sirk

Willie-T · May 17, 2016

Where did people get the idea that God's justice is not making wrong things, right, but that it is "getting even with people?"

crossnote · May 17, 2016

PennEd said:

Peter and Jude taught on it, does that count?

2 Peter 2:3-4 KJVS
[3] And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. [4] For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Jude 1:12-13,15 KJVS
[12] These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; [13] Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever. [15] To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

MsSuzanna · May 17, 2016

Willie-T said:

Salvation is in Christ. Not all come to Christ and God has reserved a place for them. That is the whole message.

Sirk · May 17, 2016

MsSuzanna said:

No. You made a comment that was dripping in sarcasm. I asked you to show where that was said. Then you come in with a question to my question. Why are you playing games sirk? If you want to have a discussion,lets discuss.

God doesnt have double standards. I dont think you have a clear understanding of Gods justice.
Your statements dont line up with the word.
Christ did pay the penalty for all who >Romans 10:9-10
but he has also said the demise of those who dont. Its right there! Black and white plain as day Sirk

it was an honest question with zero sarcasm. And you can't answer it...so you deflect from it.

Willie-T · May 17, 2016

Willie-T said:

MsSuzanna said:

I think Paul said that he didn't have a thing to preach, except Christ, and Him crucified.

MsSuzanna · May 17, 2016

2 Thessalonians 2:12 says that “all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.” Notice that Paul says that those who are condemned are those who do not believe the truth. “Truth” in Paul’s thinking is believing in Jesus Christ.

Paul describes God’s action against unbelievers with the word “wrath.” Romans 2:5, 8 says, “But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed…But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.”

oyster67 · May 17, 2016

PennEd said:

(Mark 9:43 [KJV])
And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

(Mark 9:44 [KJV])
Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

(Mark 9:45 [KJV])
And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

(Mark 9:46 [KJV])
Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

(Mark 9:47 [KJV])
And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

(Mark 9:48 [KJV])
Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

MsSuzanna · May 17, 2016

Paul wrote the letter to the Galatian church to combat false teaching. He opposed the false teaching so strongly that he said, “But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!” (Galatians 1:8-9). Paul goes as far to say that anyone who teaches something that is different from the gospel of Jesus Christ (a person or even an angel) will be condemned to damnation forever.
Paul continues his teaching of hell when he says in Romans 2:9, “There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil.” Clearly, the afterlife is in view since, in our current world, those who do evil don’t always experience trouble and distress. The righteous are typically persecuted and go through tribulation (tribulation means trouble). Paul is teaching that those who reject God and do evil will experience trouble and distress in the next life.

MsSuzanna · May 17, 2016

Although Paul does not use the Greek words translated “hell,” he does speak about the destination of those who reject Jesus. He teaches that those who go to hell will endure the wrath of God, become useless, be separated from God (the source of happiness and all that is good), and be distressed. This reality should motivate Christians to share the gospel with everyone that they know.

KenAllan · May 17, 2016

You do not understand Sirk. Jesus did pay for all our sins. The Blood of Jesus did wash away all our sins.

Being without sin is not how we enter into Heaven.

Its by believing that Jesus is God that we enter into Heaven. Jesus NEVER paid a price for those who disbelieve, He paid the price for their sins.

John 3:16
[SUP]6 [/SUP]“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. [SUP]17 [/SUP]For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. [SUP]18 [/SUP]He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Its not about the price Jesus paid for our sins, its all about Believing in Him and accepting Him as our Lord and Savior. Its this act that writes our name in the Book of Life.

All they have to do is Believe! Jesus is not asking anything more than Belief.

Why is it so hard for you to understand it was God who created us and it is God who has the right to punish us? By your standard every parent should be thrown in jail for punishing their children. Is this what you are really aiming for? Trying to ease your conscience because of your disobedience?

oyster67 · May 17, 2016

Sirk said:

Christ's atonement only avails those who accept it, surrender to Him, and follow Him for the rest of their days.

MsSuzanna · May 17, 2016

Willie-T said:

That is your spin on it ;
This is what the word says.

Hebrews 10:30
For we know Him who said, "Vengeance is Mine; I will repay," and again, "The Lord will judge His people."

Willie-T · May 17, 2016

MsSuzanna said:

This is all any of us have been saying. Be motivated, but don't try to scare them into getting wet for fire insurance.

That is really all you are doing with the scare tactics... getting them to invest in fire insurance.

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