Hell. It is in the Bible isnt it?

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This is all any of us have been saying. Be motivated, but don't try to scare them into getting wet for fire insurance.

That is really all you are doing with the scare tactics... getting them to invest in fire insurance.

That is your opinion. Preaching the whole truth is TRUTH not scare tactics.

Which btw, I dont adhere to getting WET to be saved. Ive never said that. You will never find me adhering to that teaching.

This is the gospel in a nutshell: Roimans 10:9-10
 
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God has said he will answer us when we ask. Why not go to the truth as our source?


Yes, those words do appear in the Bible but, in truth, this has not been my experience much to my disappointment. Many others feel the same way and that is why they don't go to churches or worship.
 
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If you want to judge my every jot and tittle then by all means go for it. I merely go by what I have been taught by the Lord himself. Sorry that you do not feel peachy. I speak frankly and not all will like me for that. They cannot hear my tone but instead they get offended. My day is blessed. I enjoy discussing the word. How is yours?
I'm doing well thank you :) :)
In my view to judge another should be left to the judge and would have to come down from the judge that it is. do I disagree at times yes I do we all do from time to time it's ok but that's not judging.. I too enjoy discussing the word and learning from others here there are a lot of great people here and for I have learned and I've been humbled indeed. discussing the word is not easy I know for not everyone is going to agree that's just the way it is for now. so I'm learning a lot from my time here and this brings me joy.. for in my life until I joined this site a lot of things I say is just getting it off my chest so to speak I've held in for years and years but I'm finding freedom and strength to just be me..
 
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You do not understand Sirk. Jesus did pay for all our sins. The Blood of Jesus did wash away all our sins.

Being without sin is not how we enter into Heaven.

Its by believing that Jesus is God that we enter into Heaven. Jesus NEVER paid a price for those who disbelieve, He paid the price for their sins.

John 3:16
[SUP]6 [/SUP]“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. [SUP]17 [/SUP]For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. [SUP]18 [/SUP]He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Its not about the price Jesus paid for our sins, its all about Believing in Him and accepting Him as our Lord and Savior. Its this act that writes our name in the Book of Life.

All they have to do is Believe! Jesus is not asking anything more than Belief.

Why is it so hard for you to understand it was God who created us and it is God who has the right to punish us? By your standard every parent should be thrown in jail for punishing their children. Is this what you are really aiming for? Trying to ease your conscience because of your disobedience?
so because I dare to question the validity of God torturing people for eternity and I am in disobedience? I think you got me all wrong.
 
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I'm doing well thank you :) :)
In my view to judge another should be left to the judge and would have to come down from the judge that it is. do I disagree at times yes I do we all do from time to time it's ok but that's not judging.. I too enjoy discussing the word and learning from others here there are a lot of great people here and for I have learned and I've been humbled indeed. discussing the word is not easy I know for not everyone is going to agree that's just the way it is for now. so I'm learning a lot from my time here and this brings me joy.. for in my life until I joined this site a lot of things I say is just getting it off my chest so to speak I've held in for years and years but I'm finding freedom and strength to just be me..
Im not sure of your motive here but I would appreciate sticking with the subject at hand. It appears that it is you that is judging me while being very nice at it:) Plz stop.
 
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Kenney.

A beautiful post.................... till you had to twist the knife with the closing sentence.
 
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Yes, those words do appear in the Bible but, in truth, this has not been my experience much to my disappointment. Many others feel the same way and that is why they don't go to churches or worship.
Being reborn again means God is IN YOU.
Which btw, your comment about the steeple where the CHURCH gathers . It must l begin with a private intimate personal relationship with your KING. Romans 10: 9-10
 
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I'm asking you. If the penalty for the unsaved is eternal damnation and torture, and Christ paid that price while we were yet sinners, it looks like God has a double standard seeins how Christ didn't really pay the price given to those who die in their sin. How do you reconcile that?
Because Christ was perfect and sinless in His Humanity. He was our substitute. We are not perfect and sinless.

Really Sirk, the Father paid dearly and Christ Paid dearly. We have a few scriptures that portray the unreal suffering of Jesus Christ, but we can only imagine the anguish of the Father watching His Son going through what He did.
 
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Because Christ was perfect and sinless in His Humanity. He was our substitute. We are not perfect and sinless.

Really Sirk, the Father paid dearly and Christ Paid dearly. We have a few scriptures that portray the unreal suffering of Jesus Christ, but we can only imagine the anguish of the Father watching His Son going through what He did.

Amen. Jesus was fully man fully God.
 
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Because Christ was perfect and sinless in His Humanity. He was our substitute. We are not perfect and sinless.

Really Sirk, the Father paid dearly and Christ Paid dearly. We have a few scriptures that portray the unreal suffering of Jesus Christ, but we can only imagine the anguish of the Father watching His Son going through what He did.
I think you kind of missed what Kris was saying..........
 

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This is all any of us have been saying. Be motivated, but don't try to scare them into getting wet for fire insurance.

That is really all you are doing with the scare tactics... getting them to invest in fire insurance.
I understand where you are coming from. This is why we need to be sensitive to the Spirit and not apply the same cookie cutter approach to everyone:

(Jude 1:22 [KJV])
And of some have compassion, making a difference:

(Jude 1:23 [KJV])
And others save with fear, pulling [them] out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
 
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I understand where you are coming from. This is why we need to be sensitive to the Spirit and not apply the same cookie cutter approach to everyone:

(Jude 1:22 [KJV])
And of some have compassion, making a difference:

(Jude 1:23 [KJV])
And others save with fear, pulling [them] out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
Exactly!! I have said over and over again that Jesus mirrored the attitude that was put to him. In fact,the apostles did as well.

Im not going to respond to a humble gentle soul seeking the truth in the same manner as I do the one who is only mocking and scoffing.
 
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I understand where you are coming from. This is why we need to be sensitive to the Spirit and not apply the same cookie cutter approach to everyone:

(Jude 1:22 [KJV])
And of some have compassion, making a difference:

(Jude 1:23 [KJV])
And others save with fear, pulling [them] out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
Let me read this for you as I see it:

(Jude 1:23 [KJV])
And others, save despite your fear of being burned yourself, pulling [them] out of the fire; hating even the timidity and fear in your own being.
 
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I think you kind of missed what Kris was saying..........
I don't think I did Willie.

Christ is not in hell forever because He was perfect and sinless and was our substitute. He actually paid a higher price in the first split second of being separated from the Father as perfection then we could pay by eternal separation as fallen.
 
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I think you kind of missed what Kris was saying..........
Yup. And I wish one of the hell fire and brimstone teachers would have the courage to honestly answer the question. :)
 
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I don't think I did Willie.

Christ is not in hell forever because He was perfect and sinless and was our substitute. He actually paid a higher price in the first split second of being separated from the Father as perfection then we could pay by eternal separation as fallen.
Ok. It came across to me as you didn't see that part.
 
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I don't think I did Willie.

Christ is not in hell forever because He was perfect and sinless and was our substitute. He actually paid a higher price in the first split second of being separated from the Father as perfection then we could pay by eternal separation as fallen.
BTW, be careful there, though. You might be attacked for being a Joyce Meyer follower. LOL (She dared to say that Jesus experienced Hell to an extent.)
 

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so because I dare to question the validity of God torturing people for eternity and I am in disobedience? I think you got me all wrong.
Honestly questioning things we are not sure about is ok, but presenting them as if they were fact is dangerous. Not only dangerous for us, but for all those around us as well. We must stay close to the Scriptures and "be Berean".
 
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Yup. And I wish one of the hell fire and brimstone teachers would have the courage to honestly answer the question. :)
hell fire and brimstone teachers
Just because hell is the the focus of this OP doesnt mean it is as you have stated. Noone is teaching fire and brimstone but we are taking the WHOLE BIBLE INTO ACCOUNT
. When are you going to put the stones down? When is enough enough?

10but when the perfect comes, the partial passes away. 11When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I set aside childish ways. 12Now we see but a dim reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.…