Hell. It is in the Bible isnt it?

[Willie-T]

My current view is that is for sure there are some people that refuse Christ's sacrifice. How? I don't know how people can do that when they see what He has really done and of His great love for them. ( maybe if we preached the real gospel they might get to know that fact? )

So, there is a "state of being" or "condition" in that these that reject Christ are being tormented - but not in the traditional sense.

What torments these people is the love and goodness of God. As crossnote put in that scripture in Revelation that said those that reject Christ are tormented in the presence of the angels and of the Lamb.

So, whatever term people call this "state of being" or "condition" is. This is really a manifestation of the love and goodness of God because they are in His presence.

Colossians says that everything is held together by Christ. I don't believe in this separation from God theory. ( separated from experiencing the quality of God's life - yes ) I believe those that reject Christ are in fact in His presence still.

It's the goodness and love that heaps coals of fire onto people. This is what I think people that reject Christ will experience. His goodness and love will torment them.

Romans 12:20 (NASB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] "BUT IF YOUR ENEMY IS HUNGRY, FEED HIM, AND IF HE IS THIRSTY, GIVE HIM A DRINK; FOR IN SO DOING YOU WILL HEAP BURNING COALS ON HIS HEAD."

Just some random thoughts on the subject...

Ever notice Revelation has the "rejects" sitting right outside the open gates to the city, able to see in, but unable to enter?

 

[oyster67]

Let me read this for you as I see it:

(Jude 1:23 [KJV])
And others, save despite your fear of being burned yourself, pulling [them] out of the fire; hating even the timidity and fear in your own being.

Good thought. Definitely wisdom in it. I will study it out.

 

[MsSuzanna]

My current view is that is for sure there are some people that refuse Christ's sacrifice. How? I don't know how people can do that when they see what He has really done and of His great love for them. ( maybe if we preached the real gospel they might get to know that fact? )

So, there is a "state of being" or "condition" in that these that reject Christ are being tormented - but not in the traditional sense.

What torments these people is the love and goodness of God. As crossnote put in that scripture in Revelation that said those that reject Christ are tormented in the presence of the angels and of the Lamb.

So, whatever term people call this "state of being" or "condition" is. This is really a manifestation of the love and goodness of God because they are in His presence.

Colossians says that everything is held together by Christ. I don't believe in this separation from God theory. ( separated from experiencing the quality of God's life - yes ) I believe those that reject Christ are in fact in His presence still.

It's the goodness and love that heaps coals of fire onto people. This is what I think people that reject Christ will experience. His goodness and love will torment them.

Romans 12:20 (NASB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] "BUT IF YOUR ENEMY IS HUNGRY, FEED HIM, AND IF HE IS THIRSTY, GIVE HIM A DRINK; FOR IN SO DOING YOU WILL HEAP BURNING COALS ON HIS HEAD."

Just some random thoughts on the subject...

You just cant help yourself can you? Is that pride?

Which btw, the scripture that crossnore posted isnt the only scripture about hades,sheol,gehena. It is a study on the whole truth.

Your scripture from out of Romans really is a whole another topic altogether.
Are you saying some on this thread are your enemies? It really did come out of left field.

 

[Willie-T]

I don't agree with Willie's assessment, but since you think it's not appropriate for your thread I'll just butt back out of it!

You do know, don't you, that they didn't have The Periodic Table back then, and would not have just been bantering on about "the elements" being Atomic compounds? We get so much confused when we forget this wasn't written in today's time.

 

[MsSuzanna]

I already have. and You railed on me. And I let it be. It seems to be fruitless to try to speak with you. But here it is again......

Not one person is going to be held accountable for their sins. Jesus Christ died for ALL sin.

unbelievers will be judged according to their DEEDS, not sin. They will have the opportunity to make their case that they were "good enough"(Books opened) and they are judged according to their own SELF righteousness..........and it will not make the cut.

New American Standard Bible
Therefore it is not surprising if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness, whose end will be according to their deeds.

New American Standard Bible
And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.

Unbelievers still die in the sphere of their sin(Because Jesus didn't put a stop to sin) but they will not be judged according to their sin(because Jesus Christ paid for ALL sin)

I railed on you? I said deeds is same as sins didnt I. Well, we know that they will be judged according to the law w/o Christ blood on their heads. Id have to find it again. The bible says that the lost will die in their sins.

 

[Grace777x70]

Yes..I did..and I think you and I know why they are there.....

 

[Grace777x70]

You just cant help yourself can you? Is that pride?

Which btw, the scripture that crossnore posted isnt the only scripture about hades,sheol,gehena. It is a study on the whole truth.

Your scripture from out of Romans really is a whole another topic altogether.
Are you saying some on this thread are your enemies? It really did come out of left field.

Nope..just my thoughts about being tormented by God meant....

I have no idea what this means below..but it's ok..you don't have to explain..

"Are you saying some on this thread are your enemies"

 

[kedge]

[video=youtube;TvieFJhJFK0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvieFJhJFK0[/video]

This is just a sick video with someone's sick interpretation of what happens after death, the dead know nothing and I don't believe there is an afterlife, there is no proof of an afterlife, the rich man and lazarus is a parable, if you research you will see that many Christians say that death ends life, there is nothing after death for most people and that hell/sheol/hades is the common grave of mankind.

The only hellfire I can say exists is the cremation in mans crematorium.

 

[Willie-T]

Well, maybe they were messed up in our "culture" or view, but at least gehenna is related to fire. And fire is the main attribute of hell.

Related to "torment", separation, and despair, yes. But not to literally being set on fire.

 

[Spherical]

This is just a sick video with someone's sick interpretation of what happens after death, the dead know nothing and I don't believe there is an afterlife, there is no proof of an afterlife, the rich man and lazarus is a parable, if you research you will see that many Christians say that death ends life, there is nothing after death for most people and that hell/sheol/hades is the common grave of mankind.

The only hellfire I can say exists is the cremation in mans crematorium.

HAVE FUN!

 

[MsSuzanna]

Yes..I did..and I think you and I know why they are there.....

Are you intentionally not quoting what you are responding to? I really have no idea of knowing what you are responding to otherwise. wow

 

[MsSuzanna]

This is just a sick video with someone's sick interpretation of what happens after death, the dead know nothing and I don't believe there is an afterlife, there is no proof of an afterlife, the rich man and lazarus is a parable, if you research you will see that many Christians say that death ends life, there is nothing after death for most people and that hell/sheol/hades is the common grave of mankind.

The only hellfire I can say exists is the cremation in mans crematorium.

You sound more like the world than a christian who studies out Gods word.
Sir,you must be reborn again for the spirit to reveal things to you.

 

[Willie-T]

I think Jacob Marley's predicament in Dicken's "Christmas Carol" probably comes closest to showing "Hell".... And, it parallels the parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man.

 

[MsSuzanna]

Related to "torment", separation, and despair, yes. But not to literally being set on fire.

How do you get smoke without fire?

Lets just agree to post scripture in this discussion. Otherwise it is only your opinion

 

[Sirk]

How do you get smoke without fire?

Lets just agree to post scripture in this discussion. Otherwise it is only your opinion

Maybe we should start a new thread where the rules of discussion are dictated by CC vs a persons personal bias regarding what the bible says. You're starting to remind of Pauls reference to shadow boxing.

 

[kedge]

The Bible says if you seek Him you will find Him. This is not the place to do so. Dont look for the truth here. Its in the Bible. People here are arguing nonsense for the most part. Staying here will confuse you more. You need to go read it for yourself. And you will find the truth, Im sure of it.

Wow I just noticed what you said, well thank you for the heads up and I appreciate your honesty.

 

[Willie-T]

Let me read this for you as I see it:

(Jude 1:23 [KJV])
And others, save despite your fear of being burned yourself, pulling [them] out of the fire; hating even the timidity and fear in your own being.

Good thought. Definitely wisdom in it. I will study it out.

The "popular" way to read it is to say: "And others. save by instilling fear in them, pulling [them] out of the fire; hating even having to actually touch them."

 

[RickyZ]

Well I find that most that stick to the word dont agree with willies assessment of things. LOL
It just seemed like you were focusing on science and philosophy rather than how the discussion was flowing. Did I misunderstand you?

There's always an issue when you log in and find a new thread that's already 17 pages into a discussion. No harm no foul.

 

[kedge]

You sound more like the world than a christian who studies out Gods word.

I am not a Christian and of course I am worldly I am not saying that you are a false christian but I would rather be worldly and honest than a false christian.

Sir,you must be reborn again for the spirit to reveal things to you.

Again, many christian denominations claim this and yet there is divide amongst Christians or those that label themselves Christian. I shall leave things at that, I have already been advised by one forum member to stay away from this site and its opinions on Scriptural matters.

 

[RickyZ]

You do know, don't you, that they didn't have The Periodic Table back then, and would not have just been bantering on about "the elements" being Atomic compounds? We get so much confused when we forget this wasn't written in today's time.

They wouldn't have known about atoms and subatomic particles, but God did. And while they didn't know about scientific specifics, they understood the concept of 'elements'. There's a lot of things in the Bible that the human co-authors didn't fully comprehend, but wrote about anyway because God the Author did.