Hell. It is in the Bible isnt it?

[Sirk]

​ And yet you said nothing about what I posted to Sirk and the reconciliation he mentioned. Im hearing crickets.You apologized for snarky comments once before. So .....waiting.

I think we just have to own our own side of things the best we can and let God take care of the other side. At least that is the attitude I try to have. It isn't always easy to not take things personally but we should try. Changing another human being is a fruitless exercise. Appealing to a commonality is usually the best way and that doesn't always work either. People can be stubborn, myself included.

 

[MikeHenderson]

You say ,Sirk, that you believe in Justice. But how can you really believe in Justice when you teach that God does not have the right to punish those who have rejected Him?

So my question is "how is God suppose to deal with those who reject Him?"

If you really believe God does not have the right to punish people who reject Him then God is not in control. What incentive then will cause people to follow Jesus if there is no punishment for not following Him?

What incentive is there for a 3 year old for not throwing a fit if there is no punishment for his actions?

Can you really believe in Justice and no punishment for wrong actions?

You cannot have your cake and eat it too. You cannot say you believe in Justice and then turn around and condemn someone for applying Justice.

 

[kaylagrl]

Thank you for saying so. I'm just sharing what God has revealed. AS I am sure you would agree, the glory is God's, for it is His word and I am thankful for all that His Spirit reveals to me through the searching out of His word. I am also lifted up when I see that the same word resides in you and others, being in agreement. I hate that there is so much division and departure from the truth of God's word though. I realize that departure from some Biblical issues are eternal life threatening and others are not, but what fellowship there would be if everyone was on the same page.

In my prayers I have been asking God if there is any value to this? If He is glorified in it? If anyone is benefiting from these posts and debates? I believe that there may be more who are benefiting than we realize, for the word of God is going out and people that are in the background, on the internet highway, and are reading these posts that we put out here, reaching people who needed to see just one scripture that God uses to draw them to His Son.

I surely will continue to proclaim the truth of God's word on every Biblical topic and I know that you are zealous as well for the truth and accuracy of God's word, so you keep at it as well.

Yes, to God be the glory,He has used so many preachers and teachers in my life. They have helped me to look deeper and to have better understanding of the Word. As I stated before the Bible says we are to have the mind of Christ, and if we did we would be in one accord. As you said, the Spirit reveals the truth of the Word to us to share with those who are not yet saved. Its not about opinion,its about what the Word says. We have to be careful that we are not leading people astray from the truth.

I do hope,as you say, that there is benefit to these debates. But as I said to Kedge, the Bible is to be read for oneself. This is not the place to find clarity I'm afraid. I fear there are to many opinions here and not enough of the Word. IMO I wouldn't recommend this forum to new Christians. But I do hope there is some good that comes of these debates.

 

[kaylagrl]

I think we just have to own our own side of things the best we can and let God take care of the other side. At least that is the attitude I try to have. It isn't always easy to not take things personally but we should try. Changing another human being is a fruitless exercise. Appealing to a commonality is usually the best way and that doesn't always work either. People can be stubborn, myself included.

I dont know brother. But Willie is keeping tabs pretty hard on Ms Susanna as not having a Christlike spirit. You cant admonish someone when you are doing the same thing yourself. But no big deal,Im getting use to the snarky responses here on CC. It didn't use to be this way. I guess this is the new normal.

 

[Sirk]

I dont know brother. But Willie is keeping tabs pretty hard on Ms Susanna as not having a Christlike spirit. You cant admonish someone when you are doing the same thing yourself. But no big deal,Im getting use to the snarky responses here on CC. It didn't use to be this way. I guess this is the new normal.

Honestly, I watched that whole thing and it is my opinion that Ms had a chance to show humility but chose not to. She instead became defensive. What is humility? In my estimation it is the willingness to be known for who you are. When someone questions my motivations I try to find out first what affect my actions had on the person who was offended....usually by asking a question like....what was to about what I did that I did that offended you? Jesus never defended himself....isn't He supposed to be our model?

 

[Sirk]

Honestly, I watched that whole thing and it is my opinion that Ms had a chance to show humility but chose not to. She instead became defensive. What is humility? In my estimation it is the willingness to be known for who you are. When someone questions my motivations I try to find out first what affect my actions had on the person who was offended....usually by asking a question like....what was to about what I did that I did that offended you? Jesus never defended himself....isn't He supposed to be our model?

Another thing about asking the question of what offended the other person......when they tell you the reason for the offense it's important to receive it without casting judgement on the answer. The reason is simple......everyone is entitled to feel the way they feel. Because all feelings are valid and should be considered.....especially by someone who claims the mantle of a Christ follower. Doing otherwise really wrecks a persons witness....and who wants to do that?

 

[kaylagrl]

Honestly, I watched that whole thing and it is my opinion that Ms had a chance to show humility but chose not to. She instead became defensive. What is humility? In my estimation it is the willingness to be known for who you are. When someone questions my motivations I try to find out first what affect my actions had on the person who was offended....usually by asking a question like....what was to about what I did that I did that offended you? Jesus never defended himself....isn't He supposed to be our model?

My point is you are taking her inventory while defending Willies attitude. The two of you have a tag team going in this thread, or so it seems to me. Willie is not behind the door in being outspoken and direct about what he thinks. Great,good for him. But you cant knock Ms Susanna for speaking her mind and not being humble but be ok with Willie and his attitude. Like I said before,it seems certain people here are allowed to be direct and opinionated and no one says a thing about it. But if someone new does it everyone takes a dislike to them and gangs up on them. Im just calling it as I see it.

Now, Willie,so as not to appear to be talking behind your back I'll address you. If you have an issue with Ms Susanna dont take it out on me because I defended her. Your replies lately have not sounded like the Willie I am use to here at CC. I find your replies sarcastic and sour. So if you have an issue with me Im asking once again that you say so. But dont take out your dislike for Ms Susanna on me. Put her on ignore if she bothers you so much. Its getting to the point that no one can give a post that opposes your view. You're direct,good, then respect others having the right to be the same way.

 

[Sirk]

My point is you are taking her inventory while defending Willies attitude. The two of you have a tag team going in this thread, or so it seems to me. Willie is not behind the door in being outspoken and direct about what he thinks. Great,good for him. But you cant knock Ms Susanna for speaking her mind and not being humble but be ok with Willie and his attitude. Like I said before,it seems certain people here are allowed to be direct and opinionated and no one says a thing about it. But if someone new does it everyone takes a dislike to them and gangs up on them. Im just calling it as I see it.

Now, Willie,so as not to appear to be talking behind your back I'll address you. If you have an issue with Ms Susanna dont take it out on me because I defended her. Your replies lately have not sounded like the Willie I am use to here at CC. I find your replies sarcastic and sour. So if you have an issue with me Im asking once again that you say so. But dont take out your dislike for Ms Susanna on me. Put her on ignore if she bothers you so much. Its getting to the point that no one can give a post that opposes your view. You're direct,good, then respect others having the right to be the same way.

Well...she wasn't very nice to me either. I tried to address it. Even gave her the benefit of the doubt on several occasions. She chooses have a bad opinion about me. I think the reality is that she is a nice person in spite of her not extending it to me.

 

[kaylagrl]

Honestly, I watched that whole thing and it is my opinion that Ms had a chance to show humility but chose not to. She instead became defensive. What is humility? In my estimation it is the willingness to be known for who you are. When someone questions my motivations I try to find out first what affect my actions had on the person who was offended....usually by asking a question like....what was to about what I did that I did that offended you? Jesus never defended himself....isn't He supposed to be our model?

Quote "The doctrine of hell is a roman catholic doctrine latched onto by the modern church. You preach a gospel of hell. Sheol, hades are actually referring to the grave. You're good at copy and pasting your false gospel."

This was your first response to the OP. Do you think this was humble and Christlike? Not trying to anger you or knock you Sirk. I think a lot of you here on CC. Im just trying to open your eyes a little. Would you be defensive if someone posted the same to you? Honestly? There is room to improve on both sides here. Both sides are being a little too zealous and careless with words. Wouldn't you agree? Hope you still love me brother.

 

[kaylagrl]

Well...she wasn't very nice to me either. I tried to address it. Even gave her the benefit of the doubt on several occasions. She chooses have a bad opinion about me. I think the reality is that she is a nice person in spite of her not extending it to me.

Ahh haa, you feel the same about her as I am feeling about Willie right now. Perhaps we should pray for each other? Maybe you need to send her a PM? Maybe you could solve the issue and misunderstanding between you. Its not good that we are tearing into each other this way. If we are one body we sure arent acting like it.

 

[Sirk]

Quote "The doctrine of hell is a roman catholic doctrine latched onto by the modern church. You preach a gospel of hell. Sheol, hades are actually referring to the grave. You're good at copy and pasting your false gospel."

This was your first response to the OP. Do you think this was humble and Christlike? Not trying to anger you or knock you Sirk. I think a lot of you here on CC. Im just trying to open your eyes a little. Would you be defensive if someone posted the same to you? Honestly? There is room to improve on both sides here. Both sides are being a little too zealous and careless with words. Wouldn't you agree? Hope you still love me brother.

I suppose it depends on the day as to whether I would be defensive...Lol. But I'd come around eventually. And yes I agree, there was probably some attitude in my post based on some experience with her in another thread. I think the important thing to remember is that no one is innocent all the time. I directly said to Ms that I was sorry....she didn't even address it. I posted some scripture about being at peace with all men....again she didn't address it. I screw up relationships too....obviously. Lol. But I always come back around to trying to make nice and I don't hold onto stuff for very long and usually not at all.

 

[Sirk]

Ahh haa, you feel the same about her as I am feeling about Willie right now. Perhaps we should pray for each other? Maybe you need to send her a PM? Maybe you could solve the issue and misunderstanding between you. Its not good that we are tearing into each other this way. If we are one body we sure arent acting like it.

I'm pretty cautious about PM's. In my experience, a man can come across as threatening to a woman with those kinds of things.

 

[kaylagrl]

I suppose it depends on the day as to whether I would be defensive...Lol. But I'd come around eventually. And yes I agree, there was probably some attitude in my post based on some experience with her in another thread. I think the important thing to remember is that no one is innocent all the time. I directly said to Ms that I was sorry....she didn't even address it. I posted some scripture about being at peace with all men....again she didn't address it. I screw up relationships too....obviously. Lol. But I always come back around to trying to make nice and I don't hold onto stuff for very long and usually not at all.

Yep, I know how you feel, I said the same to Willie a couple times here,no response. Perhaps brother,you and I are entirely too tender hearted. Maybe we need to roll with the punches. Its not my personality, but it seems to be the way CC is going.And thats rather sad.

 

[kaylagrl]

I'm pretty cautious about PM's. In my experience, a man can come across as threatening to a woman with those kinds of things.

Yes,that is true. Once I wrote it I thought about it. There are about two men I trust to send a PM to here. I know they know my intentions are pure and I know they are the same. But usually I dont accept PMs from males for long. I bring up my marriage about two PMs in and everyone has gotten the message and left me alone. So I do see your point there.

 

[Sirk]

Yep, I know how you feel, I said the same to Willie a couple times here,no response. Perhaps brother,you and I are entirely too tender hearted. Maybe we need to roll with the punches. Its not my personality, but it seems to be the way CC is going.And thats rather sad.

It's easy to think that a person is all riled up when you just read their words. If we were having a conversation in person you would get an entirely different picture of me. I'm actually pretty mild mannered and if someone starts yelling at me I usually just exit the conversation. In fact I generally ask more questions than I make statements. I'm curious by nature.

 

[kaylagrl]

It's easy to think that a person is all riled up when you just read their words. If we were having a conversation in person you would get an entirely different picture of me. I'm actually pretty mild mannered and if someone starts yelling at me I usually just exit the conversation. In fact I generally ask more questions than I make statements. I'm curious by nature.

I totally agree. I had an issue with a family member that began writing me online. He had issues with me and before long we had the whole family in an upset and refusing to talk to one another. I'll admit I got mad,and I blasted him but good. But once we were face to face we acted like nothing was wrong. Luckily we have cleared it all up and its in the past.But I do not use the computer to discuss family issues anymore.If its that serious then you need to come to my face and we will talk to out. Otherwise it cant be that important. Writing doesn't show facial expressions or any non verbal communication. Ive been told I pay more attention and read more non verbal conversation than the average person,not that Im sure what that means.lol

Ok Willie I got a good old fashioned Christian side hug here waitin for ya. Do you accept? You better,I dont hug often, especially grumpy old guys like you. Are ya man nough!

 

[Sirk]

I totally agree. I had an issue with a family member that began writing me online. He had issues with me and before long we had the whole family in an upset and refusing to talk to one another. I'll admit I got mad,and I blasted him but good. But once we were face to face we acted like nothing was wrong. Luckily we have cleared it all up and its in the past.But I do not use the computer to discuss family issues anymore.If its that serious then you need to come to my face and we will talk to out. Otherwise it cant be that important. Writing doesn't show facial expressions or any non verbal communication. Ive been told I pay more attention and read more non verbal conversation than the average person,not that Im sure what that means.lol

Ok Willie I got a good old fashioned Christian side hug here waitin for ya. Do you accept? You better,I dont hug often, especially grumpy old guys like you. Are ya man nough!

One thing that really helps me around here is when I read someones posts I try to put a sunny disposition behind the words....even if they feel harsh.

 

[kaylagrl]

One thing that really helps me around here is when I read someones posts I try to put a sunny disposition behind the words....even if they feel harsh.

I try to but sometimes I feel like Im being tackled. That being said Ive made a lot of friends out of people that I first took a dislike to. Depleted reminded me of that.lol We got off on the wrong foot but now she seriously cracks me up. I read just about all her posts, yes I am stalking you, and she's a trip! I try to find where I do agree with someone and stay away from where we dont agree. There is one person here that it has never worked on but I think they have a serious attitude problem.I haven't seen them around lately so maybe they got tired of CC and moved on.

 

[Sirk]

I try to but sometimes I feel like Im being tackled. That being said Ive made a lot of friends out of people that I first took a dislike to. Depleted reminded me of that.lol We got off on the wrong foot but now she seriously cracks me up. I read just about all her posts, yes I am stalking you, and she's a trip! I try to find where I do agree with someone and stay away from where we dont agree. There is one person here that it has never worked on but I think they have a serious attitude problem.I haven't seen them around lately so maybe they got tired of CC and moved on.

We are all just broken people and no matter how spiritual someone presents themselves they still have their hang ups and what not. I suppose my biggest one is the over religious types. I was raised by them and witnessed the hypocrisy of it with a birds eye view.

 

[Sirk]

One thing about Willie and others on here. He and they are older than me and I was raised to show respect to my elders. Right or wrong that's the way that I roll.