Hell. It is in the Bible isnt it?

[MikeHenderson]

I see Sirk has refused to answer my questions, why?

Again Sirk, if you believe in Justice then how is God suppose to deal with those who reject Him?

Ignoring them is not Justice, letting them do whatever they think is right is not Justice. So tell me Sirk just how is God suppose to deal with those who refuse to accept Him as their Lord and Savior?

Or will you continue to refuse to give an answer?

 

[valiant]

* The lake of fire

suffered by the devil and his angels. The humans are cast in 'dead'.

* The smoke of their torment

the visible eternal aftereffects of their temporary suffering under questioning.

* Depart from Me into everlasting fire prepared for Satan and his angels

but are they conscious?

* And the beast and the false prophet were captured and thrown alive into the lake of fire

they were cast in ALIVE the humans are DEAD

* Have Lazarus go dip his finger in the water for I am in torment in this flame

not gehenna. only temporary

* And the devil who deceived them was cast into the lake of fire where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown and they will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

but they are specifically cast in ALIVE they are spirit beings

 

[Sirk]

I see Sirk has refused to answer my questions, why?

Again Sirk, if you believe in Justice then how is God suppose to deal with those who reject Him?

Ignoring them is not Justice, letting them do whatever they think is right is not Justice. So tell me Sirk just how is God suppose to deal with those who refuse to accept Him as their Lord and Savior?

Or will you continue to refuse to give an answer?

sorry. Overlooked your question. I don't know. What I do know is that people are put in prison when they break the law. Some get out, some spend their lives in there and some get the death penalty. Torturing them forever and ever seems unjust to me. But like others have pointed out, God is sovereign and just so I imagine the He has it figured out.

 

[Willie-T]

Hell is not half the bible. Where do you get that? The other half is the way out? Where do you get that?

Even salvation and how to be saved is a very, very small part of the bible.

99% of it is to how to live as a Believer. Salvation is mentioned so little because it is easy.......Just believe. Hell is mentioned so little because if you don't believe thats where one goes.

This is so true. Hell is a very small portion of the expressions in the Bible. Many people just don't understand that Jesus could be said to only mention the concept four times, in total.(possibly five, if you stretch it)

 

[Gr8grace]

they were cast in ALIVE the humans are DEAD

Hebrews 9:27 (NASB95)
27 And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment,

New American Standard Bible
having a hope in God, which these men cherish themselves, that there shall certainly be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.


Daniel 12:2 (NASB95)
2 “Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.

 

[Magenta]

I wonder why people reject death as valid punishment.
It is the promised outcome of sin from Genesis onward.

 

[MikeHenderson]

So if you do not know the answer, then why are you trying to force your answers on to other people?

I truly believe God reveals Himself to everybody giving them many chances to receive Him as their Lord and Savior. I do not believe God only gives them a one time event only to accept Him. I believe its a continual giving every person many times every day the option of accepting Him.

So they are without excuse because they have know and have willingly rejected God day after day. This is why God punishes them with Eternity in the Lake of Fire.

 

[garee]

I wonder why people reject death as valid punishment.
It is the promised outcome of sin from Genesis onward.

Its final, never to raise to new creature life again.

 

[kaylagrl]

One thing about Willie and others on here. He and they are older than me and I was raised to show respect to my elders. Right or wrong that's the way that I roll.

Is Willie our elder? Shoot fire the things he says he accomplishes, I think he fudged on his age. I think Im his elder!

 

[Willie-T]

Hi Trofimus,

This is to Willie,

Hi Willie, scripture makes it very clear in many places, that fire is the form of torment that the unrighteous will suffer from. The only way that you can get around this fact is by distorting the meaning of flame or fire to mean something else.

* The lake of fire
* The smoke of their torment
* Depart from Me into everlasting fire prepared for Satan and his angels
* And the beast and the false prophet were captured and thrown alive into the lake of fire
* Have Lazarus go dip his finger in the water for I am in torment in this flame
* And the devil who deceived them was cast into the lake of fire where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown and they will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

I could go on and on! However, aside from the torment in flame, though that will definitely be punishing for those who experience it, but I believe that being separated from God will be worse. Because even though people continue to reject God, I believe that God is still apart of them. But when they are judged and cast into the lake of fire, whatever part of God that was still within them will be completely removed and I don't think that will be something that will be realized until they experience it.

We are said to be on fire for God. And the Bible speaks of a fire burning in our bones.
Do you also take those things as being literal flames?

 

[Sirk]

So if you do not know the answer, then why are you trying to force your answers on to other people?

I truly believe God reveals Himself to everybody giving them many chances to receive Him as their Lord and Savior. I do not believe God only gives them a one time event only to accept Him. I believe its a continual giving every person many times every day the option of accepting Him.

So they are without excuse because they have know and have willingly rejected God day after day. This is why God punishes them with Eternity in the Lake of Fire.

I just asked the questions. Not forcing it on anyone. Is asking the question wrong? Or am I just supposed to accept the status quo?

 

[MikeHenderson]

I may be your elder, i'm 87 years young, lol!

 

[kaylagrl]

I may be your elder, i'm 87 years young, lol!

Sirk and I are around the same age. I think we all have the idea that using our real name or age can flag someone somewhere to come take all we own.lol I have to take blame for Sirk not answering, Ive kept him answering my posts and he's been very indulgent.lol

 

[MikeHenderson]

I do not think anyone is asking you to just accept the status quo. But i do see you trying to force others into believing what you want them to believe.

Ease up a bit. Others do have valid points that you seem to reject. Your answer is just as valid as my answer because in these sinful bodies we cannot see the whole Truth.

 

[MikeHenderson]

My age is 87. How can some take what i have by knowing my real age? I can see if they have my real name may be a problem.

 

[Magenta]

Its final, never to raise to new creature life again.

Everyone is to be resurrected, some to life and some to the second death following the judgement. Those that pass from death into life have their names written in the Lamb's book of life; those are not condemned because the righteous blood of Jesus Christ is our atoning covering for sin, and we are raised to eternal life, which is found only in Him.

 

[Willie-T]

Willie, it's not complicated at all. You are correct regarding the word "eternal" translated from the Greek "Aion" or "Aionios," which can mean an age, a cycle of time or no beginning or end. It is the context that determines the meaning, which is not complicated.

It IS complicated to the closed mind that will only accept one meaning to anything written.... usually just the meaning they were first taught and refuse to see any other way. You must understand that, because you once told me that you learned everything (I think you said "40 years ago", though I could have that number wrong) and you have not altered your thinking on any of it in all the time since. I have to admit that statement blew me away, and it is the main reason I hardly ever try to even talk with you anymore.

 

[Sirk]

I do not think anyone is asking you to just accept the status quo. But i do see you trying to force others into believing what you want them to believe.

Ease up a bit. Others do have valid points that you seem to reject. Your answer is just as valid as my answer because in these sinful bodies we cannot see the whole Truth.

i think the reality of it is is what kind of a God can be caught and fully understood on this side of eternity? Not a very big one in my estimation.

 

[CS1]

well if there is no hell there is no devil and then there can be no God to answer to as HE has said. So you can live the way you would like to without fear of judgement. This has been the oldest trick of the devil is " there is no hell". two there is no Devi".

if one takes away from what the bible clearly states that there is a place prepared Rev. and those who names are not found in the book of life go there.

 

[Magenta]

i think the reality of it is is what kind of a God can be caught and fully understood on this side of eternity? Not a very big one in my estimation.

Our God is an awesome God... mighty and gracious is He