Hell. It is in the Bible isnt it?

ggs7 · May 19, 2016

Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ (GOD) the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Isa 55:6 Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:
Isa 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
Isa 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
Isa 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

Isa 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
Isa 1:19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:
Isa 1:20 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

GOD wants to reason with all....he loves all

Magenta · May 19, 2016

Also, so true concerning how little the apostles understood even after walking and talking and being taught one-on-one with/from Jesus Christ Himself... right up to the very end, just before the crucifixion, Peter was called Satan by Jesus for his human understanding, with the desire to spare Jesus the very fate He came into the world to accomplish, that which was set before Him from before the very foundation (creation) of the world: to be the spotless Lamb of God sacrificed to take away the sin of the world. He is the propitiation for our sins, satisfying the requirements God Himself set up through the sacrificial system as revealed over centuries to the peculiar people He called forth to be the progenitors of His only begotten Son in human form. Even after the resurrection, Thomas would not believe without first hand proof. Blessed are those who believe without such proof. I was extremely stubborn and stiff necked, turned away from God at a young age, ran from Him in rebellion and defiance for years, seeking some other solution to the problems and pain in my life, looking for some other spiritual truth, until I turned to Him, and many times, He extended Himself to me, revealing His great love, His forgiveness, and eventually a miracle happened in my life, for I became willing to surrender to Him.

Thank you also for your kind words, Kedge. May God continue to richly bless you!

VCO · May 19, 2016

ggs7 said:

AND GOD IS ETERNALLY PERFECTLY JUST.

Revelation 20:14-15 (RSV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire;
[SUP]15 [/SUP] and if any one's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

Revelation 21:27 (RSV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] But nothing unclean shall enter it, nor any one who practices abomination or falsehood,
but only those who are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Revelation 14:9-11 (HCSB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] And a third angel followed them and spoke with a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] he will also drink the wine of God’s wrath, which is mixed full strength in the cup of His anger. He will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the sight of the holy angels and in the sight of the Lamb,
[SUP]11 [/SUP] and the smoke of their torment will go up forever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or anyone who receives the mark of his name.

Deuteronomy 32:4 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] "The Rock! His work is perfect, For all His ways are just; A God of faithfulness and without injustice, Righteous and upright is He.

Revelation 19:11 (NIV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war.

EarnestQ · May 19, 2016

Perhaps this will help a few people, but I don't expect it to change anyone's mind.

After being in a dark place for a few hours one can enter into bright sunshine and actually feel some pain in their eyes.

I speculate that, after they die, those who have turned from Christ all their lives will go to the one place that is furthest away from Christ. Yet, since everything was made by and through God's Son, Messiah Jesus, they will not be able to escape His presence. This will be far worse than going into bright sunshine from a dark place.

I speculate that it is the intensity and glory of His presence that makes it feel like they are being burned through their very soul.

Those who come to Messiah Jesus in life are brought into His presence when they die.

God has provided a way for any human who chooses to, to escape the "damnation" that being in His presence as a mere mortal would bring to us.

God allowed His one and only human born Son to be tortured and murdered in our place. If we tell God that that is not enough to bring us into His family, then God allows us to go own own way.

It cost God the life of His Son to provide a way for us to endure His presence, and infinitely beyond that, to be adopted as His children.

There is only one result of rejecting the provision God made for us. It is facing God in and of ourselves. Doing this without Christ in our life is when "hell" begins, IMO.

oyster67 · May 19, 2016

MsSuzanna said:

Kedge,
You are putting the cart before the horse. Why indulge in christian discussion when you are yet to be in the family of God? I posted scripture for you way back on a page where I showed you that the Holy Spirit does the teaching and the guiding .
I know I didnt entertain myself with these kind of questions and discussion before God saved me. I simply surrendered to him in Faith. It was a process and it still is.
You will be on that confused road as long as you listen to one camp and then listen to another camp while you havent even walked through the door yet!
Ive never seen a cart pull a horse without some rather awkward moments! LOL

Just cry out to Jesus and ask him to save you! It will be the best thing you ever did. I can most assuredly promise you that!

blessings...........

Luke 11:9-10

[SUP]9[/SUP]"So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. [SUP]10[/SUP]For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.

Jesus will meet you right where you are! Cry out to Jesus!!

[video=youtube_share;JmVxRl5bc4Y]http://youtu.be/JmVxRl5bc4Y[/video]

Amen, The video was wonderful truth; just cry out in total penitent humble surrender to Jesus. Not by works, nor by knowledge, but in simple faith. And that's how we live henceforth. Praise the Lord!

ggs7 · May 19, 2016

VCO said:

yes very true, GOD is holy and has to be a judge against unholiness. But thats why he sent his SON jesus, to be the answer for payment for our sins...a way out.

Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

So what is the character of Jesus/ the Father?

2Cor 10:1 Now I Paul myself beseech you by the meekness and gentleness of Christ,

Matt 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart:

How did Jesus spend some of his ministry? By asking what he could do for people and show his/ the Father's compassion.
Mar 10:51 And Jesus answered and said unto him, What wilt thou that I should do unto thee? The blind man said unto him, Lord, that I might receive my sight.

Mat 20:32 And Jesus stood still, and called them, and said, What will ye that I shall do unto you?
Mat 20:33 They say unto him, Lord, that our eyes may be opened.
Mat 20:34 So Jesus had compassion on them, and touched their eyes:

What was Jesus's/the Father's answer to the great chosen apostles for unbelievers?

Luk 9:54 And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?
Luk 9:55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.
Luk 9:56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them.

Yes hell/outer darkness/lake of fire is real and judgement is coming and will be terrible ....

2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
2Co 5:11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

but people need to know GOD's complete character

RobbyEarl · May 19, 2016

I thought this about hell, If you gonna make a thread about sumpin then let it be about sumpin. I saw the title and interested but it seems to be a thread about the deity of Christ.

Sirk · May 19, 2016

RobbyEarl said:

What makes you think so?

RobbyEarl · May 19, 2016

Sirk said:

Read the last few post.

oyster67 · May 19, 2016

Ahwatukee said:

Ok. Makes good sense to me. Follow up question:

Are there different levels or degrees of punishment in this place of everlasting fire for different people that go there?

Ahwatukee · May 19, 2016

oyster67 said:

Hello again oyster677,

I am listing below the results of my study regarding that place under the earth known as Sheol and which synonymous with the Greek Hades. And just to be clear, this is not in reference to the lake of fire, but to the temporary place of punishment where the rich man was/is in torment. In this document I have every verse of scripture that uses the word Sheol and Hades. If you would like a copy of the document let me know and I will send it to you. The listing below is just the results of all of those scriptures:

Characteristics of:
· Is down under the earth - Gen.37:35, 42:38, 44:29, 44::31, Num.16:30, 16:33, Deut.32:22, 1 Sam.2:6, 2 kings 2:6, Job 11:7-8, 17:16, Ps.30:3, 86:13, Prov.9:18, 15:24, Isa.5:14, 14:9, 14:11, 14:15, Isa.38:18, Ezk.31:15-17, Ezk.32:21, Ezk.32:27, Mt.11:23, Lk.10:15,

· Has multiple levels - Deut.32:22, Job 11:7-8,

· Referred to as the pit - Job 17:13, Ps.30:3, Prov.1:12, Isa.14:15, Isa.38:18, Ezk.31:15-17

· Has Chambers - Prov.7:27

· Has Gates/Bars - Job 17:16, Isa.38:10, Mt.16:18

· A place of torment in fire – Lk.16:23-24

· Is a literal entity representing the same location – Rev.6:8, 20:14

Sheol (sheh-ole') The underworld (place to which the spirits of people descend at death)

Hades or the world of the dead (as if a subterranean retreat), including its accessories and inmates -- grave, hell, pit.

Hades (hah'-dace) The unseen world:

hádēs (from 1 /A "not" and idein/eidō, "see") – properly, the "unseen place," referring to the (invisible) realm in which the unrighteous dead reside, i.e. the present dwelling place of all the departed (deceased); Hades.

Gr8grace · May 19, 2016

Ahwatukee said:

Hello again oyster677,

I am listing below the results of my study regarding that place under the earth known as Sheol and which synonymous with the Greek Hades. And just to be clear, this is not in reference to the lake of fire, but to the temporary place of punishment where the rich man was/is in torment. In this document I have every verse of scripture that uses the word Sheol and Hades. If you would like a copy of the document let me know and I will send it to you. The listing below is just the results of all of those scriptures:

Characteristics of:
· Is down under the earth - Gen.37:35, 42:38, 44:29, 44::31, Num.16:30, 16:33, Deut.32:22, 1 Sam.2:6, 2 kings 2:6, Job 11:7-8, 17:16, Ps.30:3, 86:13, Prov.9:18, 15:24, Isa.5:14, 14:9, 14:11, 14:15, Isa.38:18, Ezk.31:15-17, Ezk.32:21, Ezk.32:27, Mt.11:23, Lk.10:15,

· Has multiple levels - Deut.32:22, Job 11:7-8,

· Referred to as the pit - Job 17:13, Ps.30:3, Prov.1:12, Isa.14:15, Isa.38:18, Ezk.31:15-17

· Has Chambers - Prov.7:27

· Has Gates/Bars - Job 17:16, Isa.38:10, Mt.16:18

· A place of torment in fire – Lk.16:23-24

· Is a literal entity representing the same location – Rev.6:8, 20:14

Sheol (sheh-ole') The underworld (place to which the spirits of people descend at death)

Hades or the world of the dead (as if a subterranean retreat), including its accessories and inmates -- grave, hell, pit.

Hades (hah'-dace) The unseen world:

hádēs (from 1 /A "not" and idein/eidō, "see") – properly, the "unseen place," referring to the (invisible) realm in which the unrighteous dead reside, i.e. the present dwelling place of all the departed (deceased); Hades.

Have you looked into the different compartments? Like where the Gen 6 angels are. Where the Nephilim are. Where the human's are.Where satan will be.

Just curious. My studies show levels and different "compartments" for different creatures.

Death....Hades.....tartarus(specifically this one).....paradise.

Just looking to glean a little wisdom, obviously you have studied this out.

oyster67 · May 19, 2016

Ahwatukee said:

Thanks. I made a printout and will enjoy studying about this place deep within the Earth. That "was/is" caught my eye. Will he be in that place of punishment until the white throne judgement?

Ahwatukee · May 19, 2016

Gr8grace said:

Hello Grace,

The place where the angels that are referred to in Jud 6 and 2 Pet.2, is not in Hades, but are in the place that you listed above called Tartaroo/Tartarus, which is only used once in 2 Pet.2:4, which I believe both are referring to those son's of God, i.e. those angels who took wives from the offspring of mankind (Gen.6:1) and defiling themselves. These are the angels that I believe that both Jude and Peter are referring to, who were sent to Tartartoo, which is not Hades, but a different location, into gloomy dungeons and chains of darkness.

Sheol/Hades, Tartaroo and the Abyss, seem to be individual places within the earth. For example, from scripture, the Abyss appears to be a place where other fallen angels/demons are restricted to for whatever reason. This is the same place that the demons collectively called "Legion" begged Jesus not to send them into (Luke 8:31). It is also the same place that those demonic beings that resemble locust, as well as their king, the beast, who will be released out of at the sounding of the 5th trumpet and the same place that Satan will be cast into and restricted during the thousand year reign of Christ (Rev.20:1-3).

In opposition, Sheol/Hades is reveal to be a place for the unrighteous dead of mankind, for this is where the spirit of the rich man went when he died and is the same place that the unrighteous dead are resurrected out of at the end of thousand years to appear at the great white throne judgment (Rev.20:11-15). I have not read any scriptures that refer to demons residing in Hades, but it doesn't mean that there isn't any and it doesn't mean that Hades and the Abyss are not the same place, but only that different names are used to describe these different locations under the earth.

I hope that this gives some clearer understanding

Gr8grace · May 19, 2016

Ahwatukee said:

Hello Grace,

The place where the angels that are referred to in Jud 6 and 2 Pet.2, is not in Hades, but are in the place that you listed above called Tartaroo/Tartarus, which is only used once in 2 Pet.2:4, which I believe both are referring to those son's of God, i.e. those angels who took wives from the offspring of mankind (Gen.6:1) and defiling themselves. These are the angels that I believe that both Jude and Peter are referring to, who were sent to Tartartoo, which is not Hades, but a different location, into gloomy dungeons and chains of darkness.

Sheol/Hades, Tartaroo and the Abyss, seem to be individual places within the earth. For example, from scripture, the Abyss appears to be a place where other fallen angels/demons are restricted to for whatever reason. This is the same place that the demons collectively called "Legion" begged Jesus not to send them into (Luke 8:31). It is also the same place that those demonic beings that resemble locust, as well as their king, the beast, who will be released out of at the sounding of the 5th trumpet and the same place that Satan will be cast into and restricted during the thousand year reign of Christ (Rev.20:1-3).

In opposition, Sheol/Hades is reveal to be a place for the unrighteous dead of mankind, for this is where the spirit of the rich man went when he died and is the same place that the unrighteous dead are resurrected out of at the end of thousand years to appear at the great white throne judgment (Rev.20:11-15). I have not read any scriptures that refer to demons residing in Hades, but it doesn't mean that there isn't any and it doesn't mean that Hades and the Abyss are not the same place, but only that different names are used to describe these different locations under the earth.

I hope that this gives some clearer understanding

You and I are going to be on the same page through this then. Pretty much EXACTLY the same conclusion I have come to.

Thank you Bro. And If others don't see it.........You have a gift for the end times, Rapture and seeing The revelation as it should be seen. Its your passion, and it is noticed.(at least by me)

VCO · May 20, 2016

Ahwatukee said:

Hello Grace,

The place where the angels that are referred to in Jud 6 and 2 Pet.2, is not in Hades, but are in the place that you listed above called Tartaroo/Tartarus, which is only used once in 2 Pet.2:4, which I believe both are referring to those son's of God, i.e. those angels who took wives from the offspring of mankind (Gen.6:1) and defiling themselves. These are the angels that I believe that both Jude and Peter are referring to, who were sent to Tartartoo, which is not Hades, but a different location, into gloomy dungeons and chains of darkness.

Sheol/Hades, Tartaroo and the Abyss, seem to be individual places within the earth. For example, from scripture, the Abyss appears to be a place where other fallen angels/demons are restricted to for whatever reason. This is the same place that the demons collectively called "Legion" begged Jesus not to send them into (Luke 8:31). It is also the same place that those demonic beings that resemble locust, as well as their king, the beast, who will be released out of at the sounding of the 5th trumpet and the same place that Satan will be cast into and restricted during the thousand year reign of Christ (Rev.20:1-3).

In opposition, Sheol/Hades is reveal to be a place for the unrighteous dead of mankind, for this is where the spirit of the rich man went when he died and is the same place that the unrighteous dead are resurrected out of at the end of thousand years to appear at the great white throne judgment (Rev.20:11-15). I have not read any scriptures that refer to demons residing in Hades, but it doesn't mean that there isn't any and it doesn't mean that Hades and the Abyss are not the same place, but only that different names are used to describe these different locations under the earth.

I hope that this gives some clearer understanding

Yes, and there sure are a lot of myths about the Devil doing the tormenting, no he will not be wearing a red costume, nor carrying pitchfork. However I to believe in the literal interpretation of the demons coming out of the Abyss, and this artist may have come close to imagining that scene:

fredoheaven · May 20, 2016

Here's a try for a picture of Sheol/Hades...

Ahwatukee · May 20, 2016

Gr8grace said:

Well, thank you for saying so and you are correct, in that it has been and continues to be my passion that the Lord gave me, as the Spirit put it upon my heart from the beginning of my life in Christ. It is always uplifting to me when I see that the Spirit has revealed the same truths to others. In addition to the confirmation of the Spirit through the word of God, others with the same Biblical truths is just another validation. I suppose that is why I am so adamant in regards to the truth of scripture, that being to share the information that the Spirit has revealed to me throughout these many years. It is also why it is disconcerting when I see all of the false teachings and I can't get others to understand the error by providing scripture; even by presenting the deeper truths of scripture regarding any Biblical topic.

At the expense of sounding pompous (which I am not), I wish that everyone had the same Biblical information that I have accumulated and with the same validation of the Spirit of those truths.

Ahwatukee · May 20, 2016

VCO said:

Good evening VCO,

Yep, definitely scary to say the least! Would not want to be here when those things are released. The thing that I have always wondered about these demonic beings is, how big are they going to be? John doesn't mention that, but from his description, they having faces like human faces, teeth like lions teeth, hair like women's hair and crowns like crowns of gold. They don't sound like your garden variety locust, which obviously goes without saying. My point being that, those attributes would appear to demonstrate that they are bigger in size.

Another way that I thought of being able to gage their size is by the fact that John says that their wings sound like that of many chariots and horses rushing into battle. That said, that description would demonstrate a deeper bass sound, opposed to say, something like the sound of many mosquitos would make or even a myriad of small birds flapping their wings. Who knows!

In any case, this particular plague of wrath is specifically for torment only, for it is said that many will try to kill themselves but death will flee from them, which means that during that plague people will not be able to kill themselves in order to escape that torment. Death will not be in operation during that plague. And you are correct, the devil will not be the one doing the tormenting, but Hades was created by God, as well as all the other places mentioned, as his place of punishment for the wicked. Regarding those locust/demons, this plague of them stinging the inhabitants of the earth will go on for five months. Yikes!

ggs7 · May 20, 2016

Isaiah 47:14 Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame; there shall not be a coal to warm them; nor fire, to sit before it.

Hell. It is in the Bible isnt it?

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