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So, I have a lot of trouble relaxing around people. There are theories for this. Gypsy would say that it is because I'm an extrovert and I'm so in-tune with other people. I myself would have said that it was because I'm an introvert and being in the midst of people is not my "comfort zone".

In truth, I'm right in the middle as far as being an introvert or extrovert. But I can't really figure out why I cannot just relax around people. I'm always "on". I'm always thinking about who might be left out of the conversation, or whether the other person is comfortable, or what more I could be doing.

WHY is this?? I am good with people. I enjoy people (in small doses). I'm confident when talking with people. I'm not nervous to be in crowds or with strangers. But I'm also not relaxed.

So I was thinking the other day about the few people I do feel relaxed around. What did they have in common? Then I realized that they were all extroverts. They were all completely relaxed and comfortable around people themselves. They come in and flop down on my couch and talk about themselves, and don't really expect me to say much of anything. I'm fascinated with this new little insight into myself. What could it mean? What could it MEAN? HELP ME!!
 
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In truth, I'm right in the middle as far as being an introvert or extrovert. But I can't really figure out why I cannot just relax around people. I'm always "on". I'm always thinking about who might be left out of the conversation, or whether the other person is comfortable, or what more I could be doing.

WHY is this?? I am good with people. I enjoy people (in small doses). I'm confident when talking with people. I'm not nervous to be in crowds or with strangers. But I'm also not relaxed.

So I was thinking the other day about the few people I do feel relaxed around. What did they have in common? Then I realized that they were all extroverts. They were all completely relaxed and comfortable around people themselves. They come in and flop down on my couch and talk about themselves, and don't really expect me to say much of anything. I'm fascinated with this new little insight into myself. What could it mean? What could it MEAN? HELP ME!!
You remind me of Kimmy when you say that :p. Too worried about how other people are feeling and what you can do for them all the time. That nurturing tendency is very feminine and it's a good thing, but sometimes you just gotta chill. Ever try treating a gathering as a way to amuse yourself rather than trying to be a mother hen to everybody? Fun should be the goal of any non-professional get together. Me thinks you are cheating the people in your company out of the full Gracie experience
 

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You are one of those who ask people in social situations "are you ok?" Introverts sometimes can't help it, they are lost in thought specially when with new people they met. Sometimes extroverts who can't relate, think that something is wrong. Introverts just take time to warm up. Sometimes it's annoying when extroverts act like this because of certain reasons and one of them could be that they think they are better than introverts. But surprisingly because of what you said that they are truly concerned when others are uncomfortable, it is a rare but good side of extroverts. But then it will really make introverts more uncomfortable because they prefer to be left alone.
 
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You are one of those who ask people in social situations "are you ok?" Introverts sometimes can't help it, they are lost in thought specially when with new people they met. Sometimes extroverts who can't relate, think that something is wrong. Introverts just take time to warm up. Sometimes it's annoying when extroverts act like this because of certain reasons and one of them could be that they think they are better than introverts. But surprisingly because of what you said that they are truly concerned when others are uncomfortable, it is a rare but good side of extroverts. But then it will really make introverts more uncomfortable because they prefer to be left alone.
So wait... are you saying that I am an introvert or an extrovert?

I actually never ask people if they are okay in social situations. I mean, unless they are crying or something. I have a friend who does that to me, and it's annoying. :p

Donk, you are so right bro. When will I get over myself and realize that running the world isn't my responsibility??
 
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Donkeyfish07

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So wait... are you saying that I am an introvert or an extrovert?

I actually never ask people if they are okay in social situations. I mean, unless they are crying or something. I have a friend who does that to me, and it's annoying. :p

Donk, you are so right bro. When will I get over myself and realize that running the world isn't my responsibility??
When you quit worrying I suppose...easier said than done though. I worry alot too, just about different things. Can't stop myself half the time either
 

Tinkerbell725

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So wait... are you saying that I am an introvert or an extrovert?

I actually never ask people if they are okay in social situations. I mean, unless they are crying or something. I have a friend who does that to me, and it's annoying. :p

Donk, you are so right bro. When will I get over myself and realize that running the world isn't my responsibility??
I think you are an empath. I can relate, I act like I dont care but I feel and tend to absorb some people's hurts. I'm not sure whether you are introvert or extrovert. Im pretty sure im introverted and i'm comfortable with some extroverted people too. I think its not a matter of personality type but it's a matter of the heart.
 

PennEd

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So, I have a lot of trouble relaxing around people. There are theories for this. Gypsy would say that it is because I'm an extrovert and I'm so in-tune with other people. I myself would have said that it was because I'm an introvert and being in the midst of people is not my "comfort zone".

In truth, I'm right in the middle as far as being an introvert or extrovert. But I can't really figure out why I cannot just relax around people. I'm always "on". I'm always thinking about who might be left out of the conversation, or whether the other person is comfortable, or what more I could be doing.

WHY is this?? I am good with people. I enjoy people (in small doses). I'm confident when talking with people. I'm not nervous to be in crowds or with strangers. But I'm also not relaxed.

So I was thinking the other day about the few people I do feel relaxed around. What did they have in common? Then I realized that they were all extroverts. They were all completely relaxed and comfortable around people themselves. They come in and flop down on my couch and talk about themselves, and don't really expect me to say much of anything. I'm fascinated with this new little insight into myself. What could it mean? What could it MEAN? HELP ME!!
My son is an introvert. He's 19 and suffers from paralysis by analysis. He over-analyzes EVERYTHING. Very tiring for him, and ashame because he is such a wonderful person. I try and tell him to stop thinking so much and just be spontaneous. I think this may be an issue with alot of introverts. Examining the action and reaction of everybody around them.
 
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kenthomas27

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oh this thread is so rich. Let's see.... I'm kinda reminded of that old joke - how many GraceLikeRain's does it take to change a light bulb? Just one, but three more will show up with new light bulbs because they didn't let anybody know their plans.

My vote's on the introvert darlin'. :)
 

Tinkerbell725

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My son is an introvert. He's 19 and suffers from paralysis by analysis. He over-analyzes EVERYTHING. Very tiring for him, and ashame because he is such a wonderful person. I try and tell him to stop thinking so much and just be spontaneous. I think this may be an issue with alot of introverts. Examining the action and reaction of everybody around them.
Yeah and they have no time to respond because they are too busy using their superpower of overthinking. Lol!

As an introvert,being impulsive and spontaneous once in a while feels good and I could get used to it but its overwhelming for me that's why I need an extrovert for a partner in crime.
 
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Fromdomlove

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I dont know if im introvert or extrovert..maybe it depend on situations...or people...
 
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I think you are an empath. I can relate, I act like I dont care but I feel and tend to absorb some people's hurts. I'm not sure whether you are introvert or extrovert. Im pretty sure im introverted and i'm comfortable with some extroverted people too. I think its not a matter of personality type but it's a matter of the heart.
Ah. I think you hit on something key there. This makes a lot of sense. I'm definitely an empath. So, how should an empath place boundaries on those feelings in order to turn herself off and just be comfortable in groups?
 

Tinkerbell725

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Ah. I think you hit on something key there. This makes a lot of sense. I'm definitely an empath. So, how should an empath place boundaries on those feelings in order to turn herself off and just be comfortable in groups?
I have no idea. It helps to pray and talk to God about it. Be an intercessor. Pour out those feelings to God. As to being comfortable in groups I really have no idea how. If you expose yourself to those situations often you might get used to it and be relaxed after sometime or you might be drained and lose yourself. God has a purpose for these kind of gifts. It his for His glory. Giving glory to God sometimes mean getting out of our comfort zone. After all life happens outside the comfort zone.
 
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Ah. I think you hit on something key there. This makes a lot of sense. I'm definitely an empath. So, how should an empath place boundaries on those feelings in order to turn herself off and just be comfortable in groups?
Is this an issue you deal with in all groups or just some groups? Because sometimes, the group just really sucks and aren't that enjoyable to be around.
 

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hey! a little birdie told me...and, to think i almost missed a chance to talk about the MBTI.

or grace-likes-chow_mein. ; p

so, i can mightily relate here. and, while i think you do display a lot of qualities of extroversion, i also there are a few other qualities in play. there is a reason why the MBTI preferences are based on poles. no one is really all of anything. you can have an extroverted preference, but only slightly. i would wager to say the rest of your personality type "EXXX" also reveals influence (preferences) that create what might be viewed as a less outgoing personality. this underscores the significance of the other preferences beyond the "E".

the mbti is a pretty complex evaluation. there are four (or five, depending upon who you agree with) that help people conclude whether someone is an extrovert or introvert, along with what KIND of extrovert you are. to give an example, you also don't strike me as much as a verbal processor, so that could make you a "less outgoing/talkative" extrovert. one of the preferences, called the "judging or perceiving" and often referred to as the "J" or "P" at the end will shed a lot of light on how interactive (or talkative) an extrovert (or introvert) is, and how they prefer taking in and processing information, such as being a "verbal" or "non-verbal" processor. i'd wager you're a J. Note: J doesn't mean you're judgmental--just speaks to how you perceive, and relate to the information you are gathering.

so, while it's common for people to use the E or I as a main divider of personality, it's a flawed one.

but understand that from all the time i've spent with you, it's clear that you are focused outward (people focused) and are often eager to ask questions, stimulate dialogue, and in general feel an obligation to maintain a conversation flow--especially towards those who don't talk. i would say you would be uncomfortable in a situation where everyone was sitting around and not talking, and would take the burden on yourself to begin the flow of activity/discussion. in fact, other qualities in your preferences can definitely encourage or discourage that intention. all of these preferences speak to a slant, or natural bias--but not necessarily an overwhelming bias. as you know, i am also "slanted in that way". all of this largely speaks to an "E" bias.

however, you can see others, who skew toward an more inward focus (introversion, but that can include a heavy "judging" vs "perceiving" focus) will often be the folks who are perfectly comfortable sitting in an environment, not saying a word. these people usually have an inward (not to be confused with selfish, btw) focus, and have a louder inner narrative. while some of us are talking and stimulating conversation, they are silent, yet, are often quite happy to stay in that inward thought process until they feel more obligated to speak. or a topic of great interest is tempting enough to encourage their participation.

it's possible that by your recognizing that you have an ease with extroverts you are relieved of the burden of carrying a conversation, asking questions, or maintaining something that you feel no desire or interest in discussing. or as i often say, it's the difference between getting to sit back, relax and socialize, or that you're sitting forward, and working at it.

as to your comment about "just wanting to relax", i definitely relate to this, and i think it probably takes a lot of things into account, far more than just "E". i'll use myself further, as an example.

so, yeah, i am often in the middle of a social gathering, love entertaining, and often find myself encouraging conversation. i love drawing out those folks who are pretty happy to sit quietly, don't see anyone they are comfortable talking with, or perhaps, just don't really know what to say. and, truthfully, in a lot of ways i enjoy this role, and my time socializing. but, it's very much ingrained in me far beyond my personality, it's what gives me a great deal of gratification. the mantle of hospitality is one i learned young, and was taught at my grandmother's knee. in fact i would say that i naturally have that bias, but the value of that gift is probably something that that i learned from my grandma.

i think you can relate to the notion that it's very important to me that everyone feels like they're welcome and "seen", because i hate the idea of folks feeling invisible and like no one cares about them. i get a lot of joy seeing folks who don't often reveal themselves share, and those who are loath to engage choose to do so. for me, that's wonderful.

so, we could call this drive a mingling of personality AND chosen obligation. i think you might recognize yourself there, as well. just a guess. ; p. having spent a decent amount of time with you, i don't think i'm wrong believing that you can relate to that.

so then, we recognize the obligation. even self-imposed ones. and guess what? sometimes i don't enjoy an obligation, even if i believe it's what i should, and want to do. i think sometimes i feel an obligation, and really want to do it, but resent it a little bit because right now, i feel selfish, tired, or just not like listening to people--if i am being honest. i think we all get that way, just some of us get there faster than others. this is when we need time to relax. : )

but that doesn't take away the pleasure of doing it, and too often, i won't feel like socializing, but then things get going and i am enjoying myself. kind of like exercise. : D .

but when i'm in a situation where i don't need to carry the conversation, and i can just chime in when i am bursting with ideas or something i want to share? that's great. i love that. otherwise, i can sit there, and chill out and let all the people talk about star wars or some other sci-fi goofiness that i couldn't care less about. more time for me to count all the ways that i love cheese or look at pretty pictures, or laugh at myself trying to pretend i'm not really eating my cold dinner about three hours past dinner time. that can be pretty fun. and relaxing. : D

at the end, i know that none of this is perfect. they are all preferences. but what i find really exciting is that we are (ideally) in a constant state of sanctification. and that can't be easily measured by a test. in fact, i'm not even sure where to put things like, spiritual fruit. i think they can give us ability, drive, tolerance, and an easy grace that will cover a multitude of things. i will also speculate that your uneasiness (lack of relaxation) could also belie a fear or lack of comfort related to something you might be anticipating or hoping to avoid. for example, someone who fears conflict could be the opposite of relaxed sitting in (probably any) chair on the jerry springer show. that wouldn't be relaxing. : )

good gravy that's long! if you made it to here, i'm sorry. truly. if i had more time, it'd be shorter. ; p
 
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I hereby derail this thread to *pounce tackle hug* the queen of mother hens herself! Hiya Gypsy. Missed ya, glad to see you are still around!
 

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I hereby derail this thread to *pounce tackle hug* the queen of mother hens herself! Hiya Gypsy. Missed ya, glad to see you are still around!

hahaahaahaa. it's great to see you too! it's been too long. *pouncetacklehug* back at you, and it's good to see you too. you can't get rid of me that easy! ; p

just think, all you guys had to say was "extrovert".

p.s. i'm pretty sure you owe me lots of stuff for smashing you in scrabble. or poker. or something that i beat you at.
 
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Donkeyfish07

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hahaahaahaa. it's great to see you too! it's been too long. *pouncetacklehug* back at you, and it's good to see you too. you can't get rid of me that easy! ; p

just think, all you guys had to say was "extrovert".

p.s. i'm pretty sure you owe me lots of stuff for smashing you in scrabble. or poker. or something that i beat you at.
The only thing you ever beat me at was organization dear, lol. And taste in boots of course, I could never rival you in such matters. You need to stop by more often.
 
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Tintin

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Welcome back, Gypsy! Long time no see (on CC).
 

gypsygirl

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Ah. I think you hit on something key there. This makes a lot of sense. I'm definitely an empath. So, how should an empath place boundaries on those feelings in order to turn herself off and just be comfortable in groups?
two words, teflon hoodie. i don't know any other way. unfortunately, i'm still waiting for mine.

another word/spectrum that people use to describe empath is to look at sensitivity (not in the "you're an insensitive jerk" but in the ability to perceive these things, and how it affects them). those of you who find yourselves overwhelmed by energy/emotion, and other sensory information can often be classified in something that hasn't been studied all that long, but has strong ties in both brain/body/mind. it's the focus of multiple studies right now, because some believe this may be the key to understanding some disorders, such as autism.

if you are a "highly sensitive person" there are some good coping mechanisms. this is probably the best test/evaluation i know of. Are You Highly Sensitive?




 
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seoulsearch

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*darts her head into the room*

Man, I really want to answer but unfortunately, this is going to be a drive-thru thread appearance...

However, I just had to stop in and say a big WELCOME BACK to Gypsy and Kenthomas.

I owe you guys a big round of hugs when I'm able to stay a little longer. <3 <3 <3