Is Eternal Security Conditional or Unconditional?
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If thats true, God resist those who keep puffing up how obedient they are, And gives grace to the sinner who constantly falls on his knees and acknowledging how he has failed. and apart from Gods grace, needs his salvation.
So is God going to give mercy to people who keep shouting obedience obedience (think of the pharisee)?
So is God going to give mercy to people who keep shouting obedience obedience (think of the pharisee)?
Because grace is GOD's disposition towards the obedient. It is not a law or GOD itself.
Great questions...
Grace was provided before we even knew God. He loves us that much. We are saved by grace through faith in what Jesus has done. We don't "earn" salvation by doing things.
It's a free gift because He loves us and wants us there with Him for eternity. He gives us promises tom live by in this earth so that we can experience his life while we are here too. God is not looking for ways to "keep us away from Him".
Ephesians 2:4-5 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,
[SUP]5 [/SUP] even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),
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To be understood correctly one must recognize that Hebrews was written to believers. Please read the scripture...
[h=1]Hebrews 10:18-25[/h] [SUP]18 [/SUP]Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
[SUP]20 [/SUP]By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And having an high priest over the house of God;
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised
[SUP]24 [/SUP]And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
https://www.blueletterbible.org/audio_video/mcgee_j_vernon/Hbr/Hebrews.cfm
[h=1]Hebrews 10:18-25[/h] [SUP]18 [/SUP]Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
[SUP]20 [/SUP]By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And having an high priest over the house of God;
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised
[SUP]24 [/SUP]And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
https://www.blueletterbible.org/audio_video/mcgee_j_vernon/Hbr/Hebrews.cfm
1 John 5:
9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:
15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.
16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
16 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.
Eternal life is in God's Son (vs 11).
He who has the Son has life and he who does not have the son does not have life (vs 12).
Believe on the name of the Son of God and you know you have eternal life (vs 13).
The Son of God gives us an understanding that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life (vs 20).
Eternal life is eternal life.
9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:
15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.
16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
16 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.
20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.
Eternal life is in God's Son (vs 11).
He who has the Son has life and he who does not have the son does not have life (vs 12).
Believe on the name of the Son of God and you know you have eternal life (vs 13).
The Son of God gives us an understanding that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life (vs 20).
Eternal life is eternal life.
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Grace is unmerited favor given by God to people unworthy of forgiveness...
Jesus came for the sick, the lost, the hurting.
He calls home sinners....not the obedient..,most of the folks who think they are obedient deceive themselves.
If they could save themselves by works of the Law, then why would they need A savior?
Jesus came for the sick, the lost, the hurting.
He calls home sinners....not the obedient..,most of the folks who think they are obedient deceive themselves.
If they could save themselves by works of the Law, then why would they need A savior?
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I have nothing against obedience to the Law. It's part of learning to live a godly life which comes after the new birth.
It's part of sanctification, when we add to our faith , knowledge and self control and perseverance.
However grace is when God reaches into our lives and pull us away from sinful living for ourselves and breaks our hearts to how we are breaking His. How we hurt others, how we are enslaved to sin.
We don't earn grace because until God gives it to us we don't realize why we need to repent.
It's part of sanctification, when we add to our faith , knowledge and self control and perseverance.
However grace is when God reaches into our lives and pull us away from sinful living for ourselves and breaks our hearts to how we are breaking His. How we hurt others, how we are enslaved to sin.
We don't earn grace because until God gives it to us we don't realize why we need to repent.
That's exactly what obedience is. Jesus and John came proclaiming repent and believe. Those who obeyed, their sins were forgiven.
through whom we have received grace and apostleship for the obedience of faith among all the Gentiles on behalf of his name, Romans 1:5
but now has been revealed, and through the prophetic scriptures has been made known according to the command of the eternal God, resulting in obedience of faith to all the Gentiles, Romans 16:26
This is the work of God: that you believe into the one [the father] set apart. John 6:29
through whom we have received grace and apostleship for the obedience of faith among all the Gentiles on behalf of his name, Romans 1:5
but now has been revealed, and through the prophetic scriptures has been made known according to the command of the eternal God, resulting in obedience of faith to all the Gentiles, Romans 16:26
This is the work of God: that you believe into the one [the father] set apart. John 6:29
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Anyone who believes their salvation is dependent on their actions after justification is guilty of self-righteousness. It robs God of glory and is a denunciation against the work of Christ on the cross.
We don't work for salvation, nor do we work to keep it.
"To the one who does not work but trusts God to justify the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness." (Romans 4:5)
We don't work for salvation, nor do we work to keep it.
"To the one who does not work but trusts God to justify the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness." (Romans 4:5)
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