Is the Devil bound right now...?

[abcdef]

That would be pure fantasy...








The flood represents Satan's demons.

Which part is fantasy? in the context, that's what it says.


The waters that the woman sits on are people right? Rev 17
Where are the waters (flood) ever shown as demons?

 

[Bowman]

Nice twist Mr. Bowman.

Revelation 20 is at the END of the book of Revelation....and the book of Revelation is the LAST book of the Bible and from chapter 4 through chapter 22, everything written in Revelation was future, not past or present. To bring chapter 20 back to the cross and state that Satan was bound in the abyss at that time is the most skewed up method of interpreting Bible prophecy I have ever heard of. The book of Revelation can be summarized in chapter 1, verse 19:

Revelation 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

things which thou hast seen - chapter 1
things which are - chapters 2-3
things which shall be hereafter - chapters 4-22

Revelation is non-linear.

It repeats the same material over and over again....using different epithets.

The First Resurrection & The Second Resurrection are repeated numerous times.

An elementary example...


Revelation 14


First Resurrection; No Judgement


And I saw, and behold, the Lamb standing on Mount Zion! And with Him were a hundred and forty four thousands, with the name of His Father having been written on their foreheads. And I heard a sound out of Heaven, as a sound of many waters, and as a sound of great thunder. Also I heard a sound of harpers harping on their harps. And they sing as a new song before the throne, and before the four living creatures and the elders. And no one was able to learn the song except the hundred and forty four thousands, those having been redeemed from the earth. These are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. These are the ones following the Lamb wherever He may go. These were redeemed from among men as a firstfruit to God and to the Lamb. And no guile was found in their mouth, for they are without blemish before the throne of God. (Rev 14.1 – 5)


Second Resurrection; Judgement


And I saw another angel flying in mid-heaven, having an everlasting gospel to proclaim to those dwelling on the earth, even to every nation and tribe and tongue and people, saying in a great voice, Fear God, and give glory to Him, because the hour of His judgment has come; also, Worship "Him who has made the heaven, and the earth, and the sea," and the springs of waters. Ex. 20:11 And another angel followed, saying, The great city, Babylon, has fallen, has fallen because of the wine of the anger of her fornication she made all nations to drink. And a third angel followed them, saying in a great voice, If anyone worships the beast and its image, and receives a mark on his forehead, or in his hand, he also shall drink of the wine of the anger of God having been mixed undiluted in the cup of His wrath. And he will be tormented by fire and brimstone before the holy angels and before the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever. And those worshiping the beast and its image have no rest night and day, even if anyone receives the mark of its name. (Rev 14.6 – 11)




First Resurrection; No Judgement


Here is the patience of the saints; here are the ones keeping the commands of God, and the faith of Jesus. And I heard a voice out of Heaven saying to me, Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Lord from now. Yes, says the Spirit, they shall rest from their labors, and their works follow with them. And I saw; and behold, a white cloud and on the cloud One sitting like the Son of Man, having on His head a golden crown, and in His hand a sharp sickle. And another angel went forth out of the temple, crying in a great voice to the One sitting on the cloud, Send Your sickle and reap, because Your hour to reap came, because the harvest of the earth was dried. And the One sitting on the cloud thrust His sickle onto the earth, and the earth was reaped. (Rev 14.12 – 16)


Second Resurrection; Judgement


And another angel went forth out of the temple in Heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
And another angel went forth from the altar having authority over the fire. And he spoke with a great cry to the one having the sharp sickle, saying, Send your sharp sickle and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth, because its grapes are ripened. And the angel thrust his sickle into the earth and gathered the vine of the earth, and threw into the winepress of the great anger of God. And the winepress was trodden outside the city, and blood went out of the winepress as far as the bridles of the horses, from a thousand six hundred stadia. (Rev 14.17 – 20)

 

[Ahwatukee]

Which part is fantasy? in the context, that's what it says.


The waters that the woman sits on are people right? Rev 17
Where are the waters (flood) ever shown as demons?

1. The woman is referred to as a prostitute. Since we know that this is not speaking about an actual person, the reference to "Prostitute" is symbolic for idolatry.

2. The kings of the earth committing sexual immorality with her and the inhabitants of the earth being intoxicated with the wine of her immorality, is referring to them being engaged in her idolatrous practices.

3. The seven heads of the beast are symbolic for seven hills upon which the woman sits, which represents her headquarters.

4. The waters are symbolic representing peoples, multitudes, nations and languages, which means that the prostitutes idolatrous influences are world-wide.

5. The woman you saw is that great city that rules over the kings of the earth. So, the idolatrous woman is a city that sits on seven hills which is her headquarters.

The flood represents Satan's demons.

The flood that the dragon/Satan sends out after the woman of Rev.12 is symbolic for Satan sending out an army after the woman who is fleeing out into the wilderness. Just FYI, the woman in Rev.12 and the woman in Rev.17 & 18 are representing two different woman.

I hope that this gives some understanding regarding this issue.

 

[Linda70]

Revelation is non-linear.

It repeats the same material over and over again....using different epithets.

The First Resurrection & The Second Resurrection are repeated numerous times.

An elementary example...


Revelation 14


First Resurrection; No Judgement


And I saw, and behold, the Lamb standing on Mount Zion! And with Him were a hundred and forty four thousands, with the name of His Father having been written on their foreheads. And I heard a sound out of Heaven, as a sound of many waters, and as a sound of great thunder. Also I heard a sound of harpers harping on their harps. And they sing as a new song before the throne, and before the four living creatures and the elders. And no one was able to learn the song except the hundred and forty four thousands, those having been redeemed from the earth. These are the ones who were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. These are the ones following the Lamb wherever He may go. These were redeemed from among men as a firstfruit to God and to the Lamb. And no guile was found in their mouth, for they are without blemish before the throne of God. (Rev 14.1 – 5)


Second Resurrection; Judgement


And I saw another angel flying in mid-heaven, having an everlasting gospel to proclaim to those dwelling on the earth, even to every nation and tribe and tongue and people, saying in a great voice, Fear God, and give glory to Him, because the hour of His judgment has come; also, Worship "Him who has made the heaven, and the earth, and the sea," and the springs of waters. Ex. 20:11 And another angel followed, saying, The great city, Babylon, has fallen, has fallen because of the wine of the anger of her fornication she made all nations to drink. And a third angel followed them, saying in a great voice, If anyone worships the beast and its image, and receives a mark on his forehead, or in his hand, he also shall drink of the wine of the anger of God having been mixed undiluted in the cup of His wrath. And he will be tormented by fire and brimstone before the holy angels and before the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever. And those worshiping the beast and its image have no rest night and day, even if anyone receives the mark of its name. (Rev 14.6 – 11)




First Resurrection; No Judgement


Here is the patience of the saints; here are the ones keeping the commands of God, and the faith of Jesus. And I heard a voice out of Heaven saying to me, Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Lord from now. Yes, says the Spirit, they shall rest from their labors, and their works follow with them. And I saw; and behold, a white cloud and on the cloud One sitting like the Son of Man, having on His head a golden crown, and in His hand a sharp sickle. And another angel went forth out of the temple, crying in a great voice to the One sitting on the cloud, Send Your sickle and reap, because Your hour to reap came, because the harvest of the earth was dried. And the One sitting on the cloud thrust His sickle onto the earth, and the earth was reaped. (Rev 14.12 – 16)


Second Resurrection; Judgement


And another angel went forth out of the temple in Heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
And another angel went forth from the altar having authority over the fire. And he spoke with a great cry to the one having the sharp sickle, saying, Send your sharp sickle and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth, because its grapes are ripened. And the angel thrust his sickle into the earth and gathered the vine of the earth, and threw into the winepress of the great anger of God. And the winepress was trodden outside the city, and blood went out of the winepress as far as the bridles of the horses, from a thousand six hundred stadia. (Rev 14.17 – 20)

Very skewed up and twisted.

Revelation, when properly interpreted in context, is not a non-linear book. All the events in Revelation (especially from chapter 4 through 22) are chronological. One has to "spiritualize" and "allegorize" the entire book to come up with such a skewed up and twisted interpretation of Bible prophecy as the amills do.

 

[RobbyEarl]

Sorry but when i see Bowman, I close my ears and go blah blah blah. can't help it.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Very skewed up and twisted.

Revelation, when properly interpreted in context, is not a non-linear book. All the events in Revelation (especially from chapter 4 through 22) are chronological. One has to "spiritualize" and "allegorize" the entire book to come up with such a skewed up and twisted interpretation of Bible prophecy as the amills do.

Well said! And the allegorizing/spiritualing of the book is one of the main problems with them. The other one is the belief that the book of Revelation is symbolic and it must be interpreted that way, when much of it should be interpreted literally unless a symbolic interpretation is obvious. But, they're Amil's so .......

 

[RobbyEarl]

John was in the Spirit and saw in the Spirit and wrote what he was told to write.

 

[Dan_473]

If it is symbolic what would be the purpose to state that the period of time is 1000 years verses saying that is simply a long period of time? Regardless, it still refers to time and that is not symbolic.

I agree with what you've been saying here.

I don't understand why someone would say that if the length of time isn't given, it must therefore be symbolic.

 

[Bowman]

If it is symbolic what would be the purpose to state that the period of time is 1000 years verses saying that is simply a long period of time? Regardless, it still refers to time and that is not symbolic.

For you literalists...here is a passage describing the EXACT time period that Satan will be released for...

And the beast which was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goes to perdition. And the ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but will receive authority as kings one hour (mian hōran) with the beast. These have one mind, and their power and authority they shall give up to the beast. These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings, and the ones with Him are the called and elect and faithful ones. (Rev 17.11 – 14)


So...

According to literalists, Satan is bound for EXACTLY 1,000 literal years....and then he is released for EXACTLY 60 literal minutes!

Rotflol....!

 

[Bowman]

Which part is fantasy? in the context, that's what it says.


The waters that the woman sits on are people right? Rev 17
Where are the waters (flood) ever shown as demons?

The beauty of Psalm 110.

Here we have a two-fer, all in one passage...

1) This Psalm confirms that Jesus' earthy reign takes place in the midst of His enemies (i.e. the demons)....thus, it is taking place now.

2) Jesus' judgment includes drinking from the torrent, again the demons.

A declaration of Yahweh to my Master: Sit at My right hand, until I place Your enemies as Your footstool. Yahweh shall send the rod of Your strength out of Zion to rule in the midst of Your enemies. Your people shall have willingness in the day of Your might; in the majesties of holiness; from the womb of the dawn, to You is the dew of Your youth. Yahweh has sworn and will not repent: You are a priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek. The Master at Your right hand shatters kings in the day of His anger. He shall judge among the nations; He shall fill with dead bodies; He shall shatter heads over much land. He shall drink out of the torrent on the way; therefore, He shall lift up the head. (Psalm 110.1 - 7)

 

[garee]

That's dancing around the question.

Q: Who cast Satan from Heaven?

When Christ said it was finished . God's Holy Spirit of truth bound the lying spirit of Satan. Believers who have the Spirit of truth living in them are not bound by the spirit of error.

Its when people try to give the serpent and God a physical body that the confusion begins.

We understand the spiritual matters of God by faith, not by sight.

 

[Bowman]

When Christ said it was finished . God's Holy Spirit of truth bound the lying spirit of Satan. Believers who have the Spirit of truth living in them are not bound by the spirit of error.

Its when people try to give the serpent and God a physical body that the confusion begins.

We understand the spiritual matters of God by faith, not by sight.

Who cast Satan from Heaven?

 

[Bowman]

Very skewed up and twisted.

Revelation, when properly interpreted in context, is not a non-linear book. All the events in Revelation (especially from chapter 4 through 22) are chronological. One has to "spiritualize" and "allegorize" the entire book to come up with such a skewed up and twisted interpretation of Bible prophecy as the amills do.

How many times are we washed of our sins by Jesus' Blood?

 

[abcdef]

The beauty of Psalm 110.

Here we have a two-fer, all in one passage...

1) This Psalm confirms that Jesus' earthy reign takes place in the midst of His enemies (i.e. the demons)....thus, it is taking place now.

2) Jesus' judgment includes drinking from the torrent, again the demons.

A declaration of Yahweh to my Master: Sit at My right hand, until I place Your enemies as Your footstool. Yahweh shall send the rod of Your strength out of Zion to rule in the midst of Your enemies. Your people shall have willingness in the day of Your might; in the majesties of holiness; from the womb of the dawn, to You is the dew of Your youth. Yahweh has sworn and will not repent: You are a priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek. The Master at Your right hand shatters kings in the day of His anger. He shall judge among the nations; He shall fill with dead bodies; He shall shatter heads over much land. He shall drink out of the torrent on the way; therefore, He shall lift up the head. (Psalm 110.1 - 7)

Brother Bowman,

I agree with point #1 and #2

Except that I don't think that the "torrent" is demons unless they are in men.

 

[Linda70]

How many times are we washed of our sins by Jesus' Blood?

What is your point? Does the skewed and twisted amillennialist doctrine teach that every time the blood of Jesus is mentioned in Scripture that Jesus' blood is washing sins away? Was the blood which Jesus shed on the Cross of Calvary sufficient to wash away the sins of the world ONCE and for all ETERNALLY?

What Jesus' blood does for the believer:

1. Justifies (Romans 5:9)
2. Unifies (1 Corinthians 10:16)
3. Provides eternal redemption and forgiveness (Ephesians 1:7; 1 Peter 1:18-19; Hebrews 9:12)
4. Brings us near to God (Ephesians 2:13)
5. Grants peace (Colossians 1:20)
6. Purges our conscience (Hebrews 9; 13:25)
7. Grants access into God's presence (Hebrews 10:19)
8. Sanctifies (Hebrews 13:12)
9. Cleanses from all sin (1 John 1:7)
10. Frees from sins (Revelation 1:5)
11. Gives victory over Satan (Revelation 12:11)

Once you learn to "rightly divide the word of truth" (2 Timothy 2:15), perhaps you will understand Biblical prophecy some day. But as long as you interpret Scripture spiritually and allegorically, you will continue skewing and twisting Biblical prophecy and confusing (or trying to confuse) others with this amillennial nonsense.

 

[prove-all]

For you literalists...here is a passage describing the EXACT time period that Satan will be released for...

And the beast which was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goes to perdition. And the ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but will receive authority as kings one hour (mian hōran) with the beast. These have one mind, and their power and authority they shall give up to the beast. These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings, and the ones with Him are the called and elect and faithful ones. (Rev 17.11 – 14)

So...

According to literalists, Satan is bound for EXACTLY 1,000 literal years....and then he is released for EXACTLY 60 literal minutes!

Rotflol....!

[the beast] in this bible verse is not satan the dragon.
and this verse happens before satan is locked up for a 1000 years,

in rev 13 we see that the dragon[satan] gave the beast [a king over a kingdom]its power

And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast:
and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast?
who is able to make war with him?

above[beast] is refering to the revived holy roman empire.
the greatest war making machine there was

the last ten kings[or toes] are given power for a short time frame,
with the beast as the leader ,power given them from satan.


this bible verse in no way says satan was reliesed for 60 minutes

 

[garee]

Who cast Satan from Heaven?

The Holy Spirit of truth according to Christ's finished work cast out the spirit of error as the god of this world.

 

[garee]

[the beast] in this bible verse is not satan the dragon.
and this verse happens before satan is locked up for a 1000 years,

in rev 13 we see that the dragon[satan] gave the beast [a king over a kingdom]its power

And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast:
and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast?
who is able to make war with him?

above[beast] is refering to the revived holy roman empire.
the greatest war making machine there was

the last ten kings[or toes] are given power for a short time frame,
with the beast as the leader ,power given them from satan.


this bible verse in no way says satan was reliesed for 60 minutes

The beast is the dragon or the serpent he is leader of all the demons, as fallen angels. Its the Spirit of truth against the spirit of error, the father of lies. Satan the dragon will go deceiving men all the way till the last day when he is destroyed along with this present heaven and earth

The one hour is not a literal time it simply mean the time of judgement, the last day , the second resuurection.

This is the second resurrection and the end of time spoken of as the last day 7 times in John. It is when the first fruits,in respect all who die in Christ up until that hour. They will meet together with the saints that are alive and reigning with Christ and in the twinkling of an eye both be changed into together new incorruptible bodies and the corrupted heaven and earth will vanish as the new heavens and earth comes into view. You could say the first fruits and the last or the early and latter rain together, with rain representing the gospel



Jam 5:7 Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain.

 

[valiant]

Originally Posted by Linda70 .

Revelation 20 is at the END of the book of Revelation....and the book of Revelation is the LAST book of the Bible and from chapter 4 through chapter 22, everything written in Revelation was future, not past or present. To bring chapter 20 back to the cross and state that Satan was bound in the abyss at that time is the most skewed up method of interpreting Bible prophecy I have ever heard of. The book of Revelation can be summarized in chapter 1, verse 19:

Revelation 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

things which thou hast seen - chapter 1
things which are - chapters 2-3
things which shall be hereafter - chapters 4-22

where does Rev 1.19 analyse itself like you have. ? It is your ASSUMPTION. And totally false. It refers to the whole book.

in fact as you go through the book you come to the time of the second coming a number of times.

 

[Linda70]

where does Rev 1.19 analyse itself like you have. ? It is your ASSUMPTION. And totally false. It refers to the whole book.

That "analysis" is commonly called exposition of a Bible verse. This is how the majority of Bible commentators exposit that verse. It is not false at all. You refute it because correct Bible exposition doesn't fit into the scheme of the amillennialist's interpretation of the Bible prophecy....especially the book of Revelation. Amillennialism totally distorts, skews, and twists the Bible to "prove" the false doctrines of Amillennialism.

in fact as you go through the book you come to the time of the second coming a number of times.

That is false. The second coming is found only in Revelation 19, not "a number of times".