Is Eternal Security Conditional or Unconditional?

[Grace777x70]

And we need to remember that Sin in us breeds 2 aspects. Self righteousness and sin like hell. And the overwhelming majority are out "trying" to do good and be good.

" living like hell " is just a smoke screen, from the folks that believe it is their lifestyle that is going to save them. They would have us believe that everybody is a Hitler, when 95% of the population is a Mother T.......they think they are good enough.

satan is trying to blind us from the REAL problem.

The other aspect is that we need to know is the difference between "sin" the noun which is in our members - our flesh and "sinning" - the verb for the doing of an action...for example slandering and malice which are just as bad as fornication and stealing.

"Sin" and "sinning" are 2 different things but related as Paul shows in Romans chapters 6-8. Paul uses the noun "sin" 48 times as it is discussing a condition or sphere of being. He only uses the verb " sinning" 2x times.

Knowing that we are under grace and not law - this is what fuels us to walk free of sin's influence and deceitfulness in our lives.

 

[Grace777x70]

That's right, and promoting other web sites and their doctrines, and spamming the forums with constant copy pastes from those web sites like "escape from reality" is supposed to be against the forum rules. Hmmmm.

Unfortunately this is where you err...the doctrines are the gospel of the grace of Christ only for salvation.....I can understand how this can be offensive to some people..but that's the nature of the beast...the websites and videos are for helping the believer how to walk in Christ. I'm sure that is not against forum rules.

 

[B1Davanda]

Teaching "Once Saved/ Always Saved" is never taught in The New Testament. Sure it is...John 6:29, 39, 40, 47 for starters, and all throughout it.

When you consider this False doctrine you agree then, that a person can quit going to Church after they are Saved, YEP, just sin as much as you want, YEP, act like a reprobate, ACT LIKE? YEP, and The Lord will let you in his kingdom with all that baggage you are carrying? BAGGAGE? What baggage? We don't need no stinkin' baggage! Jesus took our baggage and nailed it to the cross, threw it in the sea. Ridiculous to even think He will let you in his Kingdom. TOO LATE, your words above in red, ~see Colossians 1:12-13~

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They do not believe what the bible clearly witnesses on that matter, but believe what the doctrines of men say.

¿Doctrines of men say, 'For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God...' ?

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

That's right, and promoting other web sites and their doctrines, and spamming the forums with constant copy pastes from those web sites like escape from reality is supposed to be against the forum rules. Hmmmm.

I thought you were playing when you called the website escape from reality I didnt know there was a website called that I caught that on a link someone posted, I thought, oh... there is one of those I wasnt taking that seriously I sort of laughed and brushed it off although I thibk its called escape to reality and maybe you were, but there are two sites name in both those ways in.com and .net but not the same thing.

Yeah, theres quite a few of one, some just vids, posted over and over through various threads, you reccognize the cover after awhile and just scroll past those. Thats no big deal to me.

Good morning to you Bro

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Unfortunately this is where you err...the doctrines are the gospel of the grace of Christ only for salvation...the websites and videos are for helping the believer how to walk in Christ. I'm sure that is not against forum rules.

You and your fellows from the "Hyper grace" movement, or cult, are constantly copy pasting false doctrine from another web site to here, thereby promoting that cult following, and also promoting the web site and it's false doctrine. That is against the forum rules.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

I thought you were playing when you called the website escape from reality I didnt know there was a website called that I caught that on a link someone posted, I thought, oh... there is one of those I wasnt taking that seriously I sort of laughed and brushed it off although I thibk its called escape to reality and maybe you were, but there are two sites name in both those ways in.com and .net but not the same thing.

Yeah, theres quite a few of one, some just vids, posted over and over through various threads, you reccognize the cover after awhile and just scroll past those. Thats no big deal to me.

Good morning to you Bro

They just keep regurgitating the same garbage over and over like a bunch of brainwashed drones for the service of Joseph Prince and his industry.

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

That's what I've wondered. It doesn't seem right, but it does persist.

However, if they dont leave the link to the site when copying from them as often as they might that isnt right either, so its good to show a source also

 

[Grace777x70]

I thought you were playing when you called the website escape from reality I didnt know there was a website called that I caught that on a link someone posted, I thought, oh... there is one of those I wasnt taking that seriously I sort of laughed and brushed it off although I thibk its called escape to reality and maybe you were, but there are two sites name in both those ways in.com and .net but not the same thing.

Yeah, theres quite a few of one, some just vids, posted over and over through various threads, you reccognize the cover after awhile and just scroll past those. Thats no big deal to me.

Good morning to you Bro

No...the real name is "escapetoreality.org.....sometimes people change the name to mock the website..it's just the nature of the beast and to be expected.

It's kind of like one poster changed my name to "greasy-gracist777x70"..but it is really a good sign!..All is well! God is good!

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

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¿Doctrines of men say, 'For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God...' ?

No, doctrines of men say that those who merely believe, but are not doers of the word, i.e., GOD's will, will be saved.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

You and your fellows from the "Hyper grace" movement, or cult, are constantly copy pasting false doctrine from another web site to here, thereby promoting that cult following, and also promoting the web site and it's false doctrine. That is against the forum rules.

Copy/paste king would never give me a simple yes/no answer when asked if he was affiliated with that website somehow.

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

They just keep regurgitating the same garbage over and over like a bunch of brainwashed drones for the service of Joseph Prince and his industry.

I either see scriptures posted (and how they might be handled or others own words and I typically ignore the latter and watch how the former is handled and always check the context (as it is often decried at you as if you did not) but I check it and see if anything was snipped from it that typically ruins their own point, that always has to be established first (at least I do that with my own self) you can take them out of the immiediate context as long as you do no harm to that and can carry the same confirming point elsewhere, that can be done.

I dont read any of them to be familar

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Copy/paste king would never give me a simple yes/no answer when asked if he was affiliated with that website somehow.

When they start asking for donations we will know for sure I guess? LOL

 

[Grace777x70]

Originally Posted by InSpiritInTruth

You and your fellows from the "Hyper grace" movement, or cult, are constantly copy pasting false doctrine from another web site to here, thereby promoting that cult following, and also promoting the web site and it's false doctrine. That is against the forum rules.

Copy/paste king would never give me a simple yes/no answer when asked if he was affiliated with that website somehow.

I told you numerous times that I have no affiliation to any website. Here are the posts where I have told you 4x times the very same answer. Posts# 1322, #1325 and #1332

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...1-john-1-9-sin-confession-67.html#post2431446

I asked you back then to please stop with the slander and I didn't report it. Unfortunately you are still doing it so this has been reported to the mods.

I am requesting again for you to change your behavior on these threads. Thank you.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

No...the real name is "escapetoreality.org.....sometimes people change the name to mock the website..it's just the nature of the beast and to be expected.

Nice advertisement for the website, at least you admitted to where you get your doctrine from. Here are the forum rules for such....

13. No unauthorized advertising or soliciting or recruiting.
Please come to our chat rooms and forums for fellowship, not to try to advertise anything (not even in private messages to our chat room visitors) or recruit people for anything. By "anything" we mean anything -- web sites, chat rooms, forums, facebook groups, churches, groups, doctrine, etc."

Now go and report yourself.

 

[PilgrimPassingThru]

Nice advertisement for the website, at least you admitted to where you get your doctrine from. Here are the forum rules for such....

13. No unauthorized advertising or soliciting or recruiting.
Please come to our chat rooms and forums for fellowship, not to try to advertise anything (not even in private messages to our chat room visitors) or recruit people for anything. By "anything" we mean anything -- web sites, chat rooms, forums, facebook groups, churches, groups, doctrine, etc."

Now go and report yourself.

I reported myself once I copy pasted something from my site but I grabbed a reply box link with it and reported myself because I didnt really want to advertise my forum that is private, I like being alone (its like a Calgon take me away sort of time)

And they were good about it and removed the link

I can say Calgon cant I?

 

[B1Davanda]

If they actually stop sinning, then that is a good thing, and GOD is well pleased. What you are referring to, though, is stopping merely the appearance of sinning and the breaking of man-made rules, which is just religious hypocrisy

Who are YOU to judge?

How do YOU know who stops sinning?

Who are YOU to decide whether it's for real or appearance?

Have YOU stopped sinning?

You told mailmandan it was nobody's business
how 'obedient' YOU may or may not be,

what business is it of YOURS if others sin or not?

You're just a puny person with puny opinions.
You haven't even accepted the finished work
of the Lord Jesus Christ for your salvation yet,

and YOU'RE going to sit in judgement of OTHERS,
and try to tell people what pleases GOD?! Hah.

No, doctrines of men say that those who merely believe, but are not doers of the word, i.e., GOD's will, will be saved.

'For BY GRACE are you saved THROUGH FAITH;
and that not of yourselves:
it is the GIFT of GOD:
NOT of WORKS,
lest any man should boast.'

Is that doctrine of men or of God?

 

[B1Davanda]

I reported myself once I copy pasted something from my site but I grabbed a reply box link with it and reported myself because I didnt really want to advertise my forum that is private, I like being alone (its like a Calgon take me away sort of time)

And they were good about it and removed the link

I can say Calgon cant I?

Sure can, soldier!

 

[Grace777x70]

Nice advertisement for the website, at least you admitted to where you get your doctrine from. Here are the forum rules for such....

13. No unauthorized advertising or soliciting or recruiting.
Please come to our chat rooms and forums for fellowship, not to try to advertise anything (not even in private messages to our chat room visitors) or recruit people for anything. By "anything" we mean anything -- web sites, chat rooms, forums, facebook groups, churches, groups, doctrine, etc."

Now go and report yourself.

I get my doctrine from scriptures as you well know with the amount of scripture I put up every day on these threads.

I was merely giving the real name of the website as it was mocked and it is not a advertisement. That is not recruiting anyone - it just giving people an opportunity to read an article on a grace-based look at some scripture..whatever the topic is.

So, number #13 above has not been violated. "No unauthorized advertising or soliciting or recruiting" none of this was done.

If offering someone if interested a video or article on a scripture is against the guidelines - I'm sure I would have been told about it by now along with the many others including the videos and websites put up by the self-proclaimed heretic hunters.

If there is a teaching that you don't agree with then that is not reason to cry "wolf". Just give your scriptures that you want and let the Holy Spirit show us what we need to know. All is well my friend.....

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I told you numerous times that I have no affiliation to any website. Here are the posts where I have told you 4x times the very same answer. Posts# 1322, #1325 and #1332

I'm not going back to look at those posts you made, because I know the score. You never responded with a simple yes/no answer, as I asked, that would leave no doubt. So please cease with trying to stir up trouble by leveling a false accusation charge against me.

For the record, this has been the most direct answer that you've provided yet. So thank you.

 

[Grace777x70]

I'm not going back to look at those posts you made, because I know the score. You never responded with a simple yes/no answer, as I asked, that would leave no doubt. So please cease with trying to stir up trouble by leveling a false accusation charge against me.

For the record, this has been the most direct answer that you've provided yet. So thank you.

It is all there out in the open for everyone to see including the mods so I have no problem posting the links here again for all to see what happened and what is really going on here.

I will leave this in the hands of the mods. I trust they will look into this stuff as we are trying to clean up these threads so that people can have a safe environment to voice their views without being attacked or slandered.



I told you numerous times that I have no affiliation to any website. Here are the posts where I have told you 4x times the very same answer. Posts# 1322, #1325 and #1332

Obsession with Confession (1 John 1:9, sin confession)

I asked you back then to please stop with the slander and I didn't report it. Unfortunately you are still doing it so this has been reported to the mods.

I am requesting again for you to change your behavior on these threads. Thank you.