Seducing spirits and doctrines of devils
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How dare Paul not follow her rules on context! LOL That was good. 
Addressed to ISIT - who does not understand context!
I have been rereading your posts, and realized that you problem is that you have not progressed in your study of Scripture beyond word studies. That is why your verses are not in context, and why you will not read the posts I have put up which address this issue, over and over.
When I first was saved, and got a Strong's Concordance, I did lots of word Studies. Sometimes what I came up was absolutely right, but sometimes my conclusions were totally wrong. Precisely because I had pulled the words out of context.
I want to encourage you to keep posting the message God has given you. I know there are unbelievers who stop by as guests and read these threads. God knows who will read them, be convicted and turn to God.
But for yourself, I also want to encourage you to start to study the words in context. Look at the passages and the chapters. Find out the background and to whom it was written. I know you will be amazed at how much God will use this to help you grow in him. And read the Bible straight through, if you don't already. It is so important to see how God has constructed the Bible into 66 books, by so many authors, and yet inspired them to set out the same truth of how we are saved by faith in Jesus Christ, from Genesis to Revelation. And look at the message to the Hebrew people in the Old Testament. It is always sad to read all the things God did for them, and still, they followed after false gods.
And yet, so wonderful to see how God fulfilled his promises and set his people free in Christ!
I would suspect not but he refers to a chapter in the psalms
In Acts 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
I would prefer "somewhere it is written" but its good to have them to point others in where to look for themselves
In Acts 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
I would prefer "somewhere it is written" but its good to have them to point others in where to look for themselves
The difference between me and you is the difference between heaven and earth. You are born of this world, and I am born from heaven above. You were taught by men, but I was not taught by any man. Your theology is not your own, as it is that of other carnally minded men like yourself. My doctrine is not my own, but that which I received from the Lord by the revelation of Jesus Christ and the anointing of the Holy Spirit. This is why you do not receive our testimony, because those who are of the world cannot receive the Spirit of Truth, because it sees Him not. Have a nice evening.
I was simply stating that she is yet carnal, as is the case with many Christians these days. Paul also called many in the congregations yet carnal also because they could not understand the spiritual things of God.
1 Corinthians 3:1-4 "And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.[SUP]2 [/SUP]I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
1 Corinthians 3:1-4 "And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.[SUP]2 [/SUP]I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
The difference between me and you is the difference between heaven and earth. You are born of this world, and I am born from heaven above. You were taught by men, but I was not taught by any man. Your theology is not your own, as it is that of other carnally minded men like yourself. My doctrine is not my own, but that which I received from the Lord by the revelation of Jesus Christ and the anointing of the Holy Spirit. This is why you do not receive our testimony, because those who are of the world cannot receive the Spirit of Truth, because it sees Him not. Have a nice evening.
this is illustrative to me that we all should be careful to frame our comments carefully.
trigger words
when a person who is not understanding the full biblical meaning of a word term or phrase said in the bible or in the church setting some maybe offended by them. They are offended because they assume the point in which the person used the word, term or phrase was judgemental. When is may not be. Jesus said Offences will come did He not?
words like Carnal or your carnal minded or you are not walking in the Spirit . if one doesn't ask what they mean it could be very upsetting to the one that it was said too. But just because it was upsetting doesn't make it untrue. Some one said one time " The Truth Hurts".
Now a seducing will not do that thy come rubbing egos, or puffing up, or they do it through manipulation. it feels good, it itches the ear and it feeds the flesh.
when a person who is not understanding the full biblical meaning of a word term or phrase said in the bible or in the church setting some maybe offended by them. They are offended because they assume the point in which the person used the word, term or phrase was judgemental. When is may not be. Jesus said Offences will come did He not?
words like Carnal or your carnal minded or you are not walking in the Spirit . if one doesn't ask what they mean it could be very upsetting to the one that it was said too. But just because it was upsetting doesn't make it untrue. Some one said one time " The Truth Hurts".
Now a seducing will not do that thy come rubbing egos, or puffing up, or they do it through manipulation. it feels good, it itches the ear and it feeds the flesh.
Well coming from one who just said Paul was in error for not using your measure of what is considered "proper context", then I am tickled to be in the same company as such a one as Paul when it comes to your judgment of what is "proper exegesis". Remember, the wind blows where it will, and you hear the sound of it, but you know not where it comes from, nor where it goes, such are we who are born of God's Spirit. Peace
The fear of the lord keeps us from straying too far.
The fear of the Lord is pure, enduring for ever and ever: the judgments of the Lord are true, [and] justified altogether. Psalms 19:9
The fear of the Lord is life to a man: and he shall lodge without fear in places where knowledge is not seen. Proverbs 19:23
The fear of the Lord is life to a man: and he shall lodge without fear in places where knowledge is not seen. Proverbs 19:23
Amen as we can have grace (for the obdeince of the faith) whereby one may serve God acceptably with both reverence and godly fear
Heb 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.
Heb 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.
Amen. fear leads us to perfecting our Love for God and others. fear needs to be embraced as well as righteousness. Have you ever read any from the book of Enoch? it was not canonized, yet was found along with psalms, and many other ancient biblical manuscripts in the caves near the dead sea " the dead sea scrolls" it has been carbon dated to at least 250 years before the birth of Christ, and my own experience is that it is absolutely true and will ring to anyone who Knows Gods Word of righteousness, and grace. it has blessed my readings and rings so true to the scriptures. it is actually quoted a few times in the new testament and I suspect also in the Old.
It is a 5 part book. The book of watchers is a good place to start. I personally don't understand the one part about stars and firmaments, but the other 4 books are great research and really speak truth to the spirit. Many who don't research the canon may reject it, but its been proven the 4 copies were written before Christ was born. and the things there in, ring true. also, Revelation was obviously connected to the imagery and meaning in the book . Really sheds light on this topic, and also the layout of what was coming from the days of Enoch, to the flood and Also to the Coming of the Messiah. great stuff in there that lines up with many of the views on this post. God bless
It is a 5 part book. The book of watchers is a good place to start. I personally don't understand the one part about stars and firmaments, but the other 4 books are great research and really speak truth to the spirit. Many who don't research the canon may reject it, but its been proven the 4 copies were written before Christ was born. and the things there in, ring true. also, Revelation was obviously connected to the imagery and meaning in the book . Really sheds light on this topic, and also the layout of what was coming from the days of Enoch, to the flood and Also to the Coming of the Messiah. great stuff in there that lines up with many of the views on this post. God bless
says who? the catholic church? and lol gnostic hahaha you need to read it, Gnosticism is totally opposed to the doctrines in the book of Enoch. it does However read perfectly along with the prophets of old testament, and the prophetic writings of the new. Perfectly in line with Gods Word. many people tend to reject things they do not first look at. there is absolutely no gnostic doctrine in Enoch. but rathere than argue, ill continue testing things against Gods Word rather than label this or that. understanding that jude "quoted" writings directly from enochs book, and others such as Paul made direct reference to it also. psalms wasn't introduced until the scrolls were found. anyone who takes time to read it, will see the discernment of the spirit working, if they are able to not pre label things such as you have here. good day.
I read Enoch quite a few times I know I will be hearing it from HRFTD
I thought some parts were very confirming on somethings while others were sort of creepy
I thought some parts were very confirming on somethings while others were sort of creepy
Everyone should choose to read or not read it. I have found it to be very enlightening and so many similarities and also the direct Quote from Jude, saying that enoch Prophesied. Jude 1:14-15 "in the seventh generation from adam Enoch also prophesied these things, saying behold, the Lord came with His Holy myriads, to execute judgement on all, and to conbvict the ungodly of all their ungodly deeds, which they have commited in such ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ingodly sinners spoke against Him." this is word for word in enoch 1:9, 2:1)
Enoch has been dated several ways to at least 250 bc. well before Jude was written. And to me, its kind of obvious that Jude, as well as paul were very familiar with the text. Jude even naming Him a prophet, and quoting His book in the scripture. many references I have found in perfect words With Jesus, to me again, showing that Jesus also was very familiar with the text. The Labels the world uses restrict wisdom in my view.
Also, Enoch Never died, He simply walked away with God, which says something to me also. 4 copies of the manuscript were found in the caves, along with coins dated bc as well. All scripture is God breathed and useful, to me this doesn't necessarily mean only canonized scripture, especially because Jude an apostle, quoted directly from it and Jesus words resemble so closely enochs parables and wisdom. Also, enochs account of befor the flood, through the flood and the most accurate prophecy of what Jesus (the Son of man) was coming to do for us. more accurate than any old testament prophecy, besides Isaiah 53. Also, all the prophecies tie directly into enochs writings. How God would judge the wicked, and then later lead sinners into righteousness by His own means of coming in the flesh.
To assume these aren't Inspired By God, is, to me, hard to believe. Especially the glory given to God throughout the books. Much I do not understand, mainly the Sun, moon, and stars the firmaments writings. but the other books are to me, a blessing. Though I would never replace The Bible with Enoch, Buit the thing is, it fits like a puzzle piece, filling in and connecting things that are mysterious.
The hyper grace or whatever people call it, would not at all accept it as inspired because it is in line with Grace for obedience through Faith, and could never be said enoch was fortelling a lawless doctrine, but rather the same as the new testament, Gods grace, meant to make sinners righteous in deed and not only thought, always to keep the commands of God and keep His laws in their minds and hearts, diligently keeping them, by the Grace given.
just my view though. many people reject things before ever even looking into what is there because it is labeled by who knows as gnostic, or un inspired. I also find the apocalypse of paul interesting, as well as the infancy gospel of James, though Enoch is far more useful and accurate. I only mentioned it because it falls in line with the original post, the original post could be taken from the book of enoch directly as it warns of false doctrines and tells how the fallen angels began corrupting mans minds, though, a few words would be different given the times and language evolution