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That's not my point whether they be of good or bad, I ask this, How did the King came to know and say the fourth is like the Son of God when the king served not the God of the Daniel but what he all known was his gods. Any input on this?
Thank you
Daniel 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.
Thank you
Daniel 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.
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The point you were trying to convey is well noted, however, the Scripture is silent about "HOW" king Nebuchadnezzar came to know about the likeness of the Son of God in the Old Testament, physically.
The only logical answer based on common sense is - since, YHWH himself, has been documented in the Scripture appearing in physical form / person, on several occasions in the OT - to be seen and witnessed by others - would conclude that king Nebuchadnezzar was one of those eye witnesses being spoken in Isa 43:10.
The only logical answer based on common sense is - since, YHWH himself, has been documented in the Scripture appearing in physical form / person, on several occasions in the OT - to be seen and witnessed by others - would conclude that king Nebuchadnezzar was one of those eye witnesses being spoken in Isa 43:10.
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Sorry, but, based on my opinion (if you're asking me)...
The "Gap Theory" is flawed and based only on wild imagination of men - who seem NOT to fully understand what's actually being narrated or being convey to the readers in Genesis 1 - The Story of the Beginning. (See my OP and #5)
But that's just my Biblical Opinion, of course.
The "Gap Theory" is flawed and based only on wild imagination of men - who seem NOT to fully understand what's actually being narrated or being convey to the readers in Genesis 1 - The Story of the Beginning. (See my OP and #5)
But that's just my Biblical Opinion, of course.
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Genesis 1 - speaks of the story of the Beginning; Origin; Birth; Creation; etc.... However, the Book of Genesis does NOT speak or allude to "Gap Theory" regarding “Restoration" or "Repairing" of the physical world that was ALLEGEDLY destroyed in Gen 1... between verses 1 and 2. Instead, the Scripture document us about God Creating multiple New HeavenS (plural) and New Earth.
Here's where the Scriptures document us our Multiverse...
The 1st Heaven or World is the first Heaven (Adam’s World) in the midst of water below and above it (Gen. 1:6-8) ... and later destroyed in a Flood 2 Peter 3:5-7 (dissolved; gone forever).
Gen 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold,I will destroy them with the EARTH.
2 Peter 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly
The 2nd Heaven or World is our present universe (Gen. 2:4), which is scheduled to be burned... and shall also be dissolved and melt with its fervent heat.
2 Peter 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
The 3rd Heaven or World is the New Heaven and New Earth of Rev. 21, contains a single city with streets of gold and gates of pearl, and it's Eternal.
Therefore, there's no need or reason for God to “Restore / Repair anything that He, himself, already destroyed.
Instead, God speaks of the New Heavens and New Earth that He will create and make.
Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavenS (plural) and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
Note: Lucifer and his spiritual followers do NOT have the capability or power to destroy any of the physical worlds that God Created and Made, literally speaking.
Here's where the Scriptures document us our Multiverse...
The 1st Heaven or World is the first Heaven (Adam’s World) in the midst of water below and above it (Gen. 1:6-8) ... and later destroyed in a Flood 2 Peter 3:5-7 (dissolved; gone forever).
Gen 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold,I will destroy them with the EARTH.
2 Peter 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly
The 2nd Heaven or World is our present universe (Gen. 2:4), which is scheduled to be burned... and shall also be dissolved and melt with its fervent heat.
2 Peter 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
The 3rd Heaven or World is the New Heaven and New Earth of Rev. 21, contains a single city with streets of gold and gates of pearl, and it's Eternal.
Therefore, there's no need or reason for God to “Restore / Repair anything that He, himself, already destroyed.
Instead, God speaks of the New Heavens and New Earth that He will create and make.
Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavenS (plural) and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
Note: Lucifer and his spiritual followers do NOT have the capability or power to destroy any of the physical worlds that God Created and Made, literally speaking.
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Thanks Seve for the input, however, to tell it frankly the OP is open to many holes for heresy and false belief or false interpretations. This is a big sinkhole. Still, the logical answer based on common sense of yours did not satisfy what you have actually asked. I think still needed for a more study of God's words and depend on the Holy Spirit for illumination. The answer actually to your question is found in God's word. An eyewitness may have seen the event but necessarily know the name of the perpetrator. Launch out to the deep and cast your net...
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Yeah, you need to do more research and study - before you even debate or disagree with others. Good luck. Pray for more wisdom and understanding. Thanks and God bless.
Isaiah said the following....
Isa 34:16 Seek ye out of the book of the LORD, and read: no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for my mouth it hath commanded, and his spirit it hath gathered them.
Isaiah said the following....
Isa 34:16 Seek ye out of the book of the LORD, and read: no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for my mouth it hath commanded, and his spirit it hath gathered them.
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YHWH, the Son, is only God physically formed for us to see and witness... Before him, there's none; neither there shall be after him (Isa 43:10). In him, the Son, dwelleth the fulness of Godhead, bodily or physically (Col 2:9).
No man hath seen the invisible God, the Spirit of Love, at anytime, except the Son who's at the bosom of the Father hath declared him. (John 1:18)
To be created in the image and likeness of God is to be created in Christ.... because, the Son, is the express image and likeness of the invisible Almighty God Father, bodily (Heb 1:3).
IOW, not everybody is created in the image and likeness of God upon birth, unless, one is born again spiritually in Christ. - the express image of God the Father, physically. 4
Most certainly, Cain is NOT and image or likeness of God.
No man hath seen the invisible God, the Spirit of Love, at anytime, except the Son who's at the bosom of the Father hath declared him. (John 1:18)
To be created in the image and likeness of God is to be created in Christ.... because, the Son, is the express image and likeness of the invisible Almighty God Father, bodily (Heb 1:3).
IOW, not everybody is created in the image and likeness of God upon birth, unless, one is born again spiritually in Christ. - the express image of God the Father, physically. 4
Most certainly, Cain is NOT and image or likeness of God.
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God tells us He made a firmament or boundary of the first heaven on the 2nd Day. Genesis 1:6-8 This defines heaven since God called the firmament heaven.
The firmament was empty, containing only air, since we are told in the New Testament that it was "in the water and out of the water" which indicates that it was floating in water. 2 Peter 3 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version)
God spins the water from under the firmament and brings it into the enclosure.
Gen 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place,
The water is contained in the bottom of the Biosphere.
and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
Gen 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
We know that God spun the water to bring it into the firmament because He called the waters "Seas" which in Hebrew means a roaring, the sound made when the waters were twisted in order to bring them into the Biosphere.
The dry land was placed into the firmament and was on top of the water, with the sky above. This Earth, the Earth of Adam, was FLAT. It's highest point is only about 22 1/2 feet above sea level, Genesis 7 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version) and the entire Earth had only 4 Rivers while the present Earth has thousands, indicating it was much smaller than our Earth.
Is there any wonder that ancient man believed the stories of a Flat Earth? Put dry land on top of water in an enclosed Biosphere and you will also find that Genesis 1:9-10 describes a Flat Earth. It's the Flat Earth of Adam which was "clean dissolved" in the waters of a Universal Flood. Isaiah 24:19
The firmament was empty, containing only air, since we are told in the New Testament that it was "in the water and out of the water" which indicates that it was floating in water. 2 Peter 3 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version)
God spins the water from under the firmament and brings it into the enclosure.
Gen 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place,
The water is contained in the bottom of the Biosphere.
and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
Gen 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
We know that God spun the water to bring it into the firmament because He called the waters "Seas" which in Hebrew means a roaring, the sound made when the waters were twisted in order to bring them into the Biosphere.
The dry land was placed into the firmament and was on top of the water, with the sky above. This Earth, the Earth of Adam, was FLAT. It's highest point is only about 22 1/2 feet above sea level, Genesis 7 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version) and the entire Earth had only 4 Rivers while the present Earth has thousands, indicating it was much smaller than our Earth.
Is there any wonder that ancient man believed the stories of a Flat Earth? Put dry land on top of water in an enclosed Biosphere and you will also find that Genesis 1:9-10 describes a Flat Earth. It's the Flat Earth of Adam which was "clean dissolved" in the waters of a Universal Flood. Isaiah 24:19
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Genesis 1 tells the complete story of the Creation of the Perfect Heaven. God completes His work in 6 Days, and Genesis 2 tells us of the 7th Day when God will Rest (Heb-Shabath-Cease to Create). Scripture tells us that God rested from ALL His work, which He had Created and Made.
The end of the present 6th Day is in the Future because the events of Gen 1:28-31 are Prophecy of things which will not happen until AFTER Jesus returns to this Earth at the end of the present 6th Day.
Isaiah 11 tells us that AFTER Jesus returns the Lion will eat Straw like the Ox. Isa 11:7 Has everyone heard that the Lion will lay down by the Lamb when Jesus returns? Now, you know that it will happen TODAY, on the present 6th Age. The 7th Day or God's rest is FUTURE. Heb 4:9
Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
Our God is an awesome God.
The end of the present 6th Day is in the Future because the events of Gen 1:28-31 are Prophecy of things which will not happen until AFTER Jesus returns to this Earth at the end of the present 6th Day.
Isaiah 11 tells us that AFTER Jesus returns the Lion will eat Straw like the Ox. Isa 11:7 Has everyone heard that the Lion will lay down by the Lamb when Jesus returns? Now, you know that it will happen TODAY, on the present 6th Age. The 7th Day or God's rest is FUTURE. Heb 4:9
Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
Our God is an awesome God.
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A Day in Gen 1 is NOT based on 24 hours period of time. It is based on a period of Labor or work (Yowm) when God is doing His work of creating. There is NO time limit or number of days, years, etc. A good example is the Scriptural Fact that TODAY remains the 6th Creative Day and this Day will NOT end until AFTER our Cosmos is burned which is AFTER Jesus rules and reigns on Earth for a thousand years. Revelation 20:5. Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
The Bible says finished or brought to perfection since it also says that ALL THE HOST of Heaven is also finished or brought to perfection. This is made clear when you read Gen 2:1:
Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, (brought to perfection) and ALL the host of them.
Christians are among the host of Heaven. AFTER God's work is brought to perfection, God will rest (Heb-sabbath) from ALL of His work of Creating - Gen 2:2-3. Today, God is STILL creating sinners in Christ Spiritually and He will NOT rest (Heb-sabbath-cease) until His Creation is brought to perfection and ALL Christians are safely in Heaven.
Since God sees the end from the beginning, Isa 46:10 He wrote the complete HISTORY of His Seven Days in the first 34 verses of Genesis. At Gen 2:4 the narrative RETURNS to the details of the THIRD Day. ALL of the rest of the Bible refers BACK to One of the 7 Days of Creation, shown in it's Entirety, in the first 34 verses of Genesis.
It opens up many of the mysteries which ancient men could NOT have understood and it reveals the Literal God because it shows us the FUTURE since No man of the time could have told us of the events at the end of the present 6th Day - which will NOT take place until AFTER Jesus returns to this planet.
We live Today at Gen 1:27, the rest of Genesis 1 takes place AFTER Jesus returns at Armageddon.
God bless
The Bible says finished or brought to perfection since it also says that ALL THE HOST of Heaven is also finished or brought to perfection. This is made clear when you read Gen 2:1:
Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, (brought to perfection) and ALL the host of them.
Christians are among the host of Heaven. AFTER God's work is brought to perfection, God will rest (Heb-sabbath) from ALL of His work of Creating - Gen 2:2-3. Today, God is STILL creating sinners in Christ Spiritually and He will NOT rest (Heb-sabbath-cease) until His Creation is brought to perfection and ALL Christians are safely in Heaven.
Since God sees the end from the beginning, Isa 46:10 He wrote the complete HISTORY of His Seven Days in the first 34 verses of Genesis. At Gen 2:4 the narrative RETURNS to the details of the THIRD Day. ALL of the rest of the Bible refers BACK to One of the 7 Days of Creation, shown in it's Entirety, in the first 34 verses of Genesis.
It opens up many of the mysteries which ancient men could NOT have understood and it reveals the Literal God because it shows us the FUTURE since No man of the time could have told us of the events at the end of the present 6th Day - which will NOT take place until AFTER Jesus returns to this planet.
We live Today at Gen 1:27, the rest of Genesis 1 takes place AFTER Jesus returns at Armageddon.
God bless
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We live Today at Gen 1:27, the rest of Genesis 1 takes place AFTER Jesus returns at Armageddon.
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
This is a Future event which will take place in the thousand year reign of Christ on this Earth. At that time, Humans will be given dominion or rule over EVERY living thing that moves on this Earth. That includes Mosquitoes, Viruses and Sharks. It is something which has NEVER taken place on Planet Earth Before, as the next verses show:
Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, AND EVERY TREE, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Again this is a prophecy of the Future since we will NOT eat from the Tree of Life until All Christians are in the New Heaven. Rev 22:14
Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
Another future happening, except the end of this prophecy is clearly shown in:
Isa 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
When you read the verse in context, this event happens AFTER Jesus returns to this Earth at Armageddon. Isa 11:1-7
Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that He had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Finally God's Creation of the perfect 3rd Heaven is complete and Earth is Safe for a thousand years. Then, and only then, will the God, who sees the end from the beginning, says, It is very good, at the end of the present 6th Day of labor in which God is making a perfect heaven and filling it with His Immortal Children, called Christians.
God bless
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
This is a Future event which will take place in the thousand year reign of Christ on this Earth. At that time, Humans will be given dominion or rule over EVERY living thing that moves on this Earth. That includes Mosquitoes, Viruses and Sharks. It is something which has NEVER taken place on Planet Earth Before, as the next verses show:
Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, AND EVERY TREE, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Again this is a prophecy of the Future since we will NOT eat from the Tree of Life until All Christians are in the New Heaven. Rev 22:14
Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
Another future happening, except the end of this prophecy is clearly shown in:
Isa 11:7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
When you read the verse in context, this event happens AFTER Jesus returns to this Earth at Armageddon. Isa 11:1-7
Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that He had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Finally God's Creation of the perfect 3rd Heaven is complete and Earth is Safe for a thousand years. Then, and only then, will the God, who sees the end from the beginning, says, It is very good, at the end of the present 6th Day of labor in which God is making a perfect heaven and filling it with His Immortal Children, called Christians.
God bless
S
Re: Genesis 1 & 2 From a Different Perspective - The Making of Adam - 3rd Day
- Gen 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens (plural) and of the earth when they were CREATED (by the power of God's logos), in the day that the Lord God (Son) MADE (with his own hands) the earth and the heavens,
5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
God is telling us of a certain Day in the Creation. It's the Day the 1st Earth was made. (3rd Day-Gen. 1:9-10)... BEFORE the plants grew. (3rd Day-Gen. 1:12)...
6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
See? On the 3rd Day after the Earth was made but before the plants grew, the LORD made man of the dust of the ground. This makes Adam the FIRST creature made. Remember that the 3rd Day was BEFORE the Sun, Moon, and Stars of the 4th Day. Gen. 1:17
In order to defer silly arguments, notice the Trees, which also grew the 3rd Day according to Gen. 1:13, are made AFTER Adam was made.
8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
The NEXT creatures made were NOT made until the 5th Day, some 9 Billion years later, in man's time.
21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after His kind: and God saw that it was good.
22 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. 23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
You know when life first came forth from the water. It was 3.7 Billion years ago in man's time, but on the 5th Day of God's creation. The point is that Adam was a Special Creation made billions of years BEFORE any other living creature was made.
The Theory of Evolution falsely teaches that humans evolved from other living beings p.e. "Apes". God's Holy Word refutes this evil teaching, which is ruining our children, and sending countless souls to Hell. That's God's Truth.
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The firmament was empty? You do know that firmament means the expanse of gas that encapsulates the earth within it, a like a little baby swaddled in a blanket. Until you had the waters rise up from the face of the earth you wouldn't have a firmament since the firmament is the expanse within the waters. What is commonly referred unto as the atmosphere.
I think you might reconsider the opinion that the land was floating upon liquid water. Gravity pretty much refutes that any land mass of land is suspended upon liquid water.
I think you might reconsider the opinion that the land was floating upon liquid water. Gravity pretty much refutes that any land mass of land is suspended upon liquid water.
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Dear Zmouth,
Perhaps, what you don't realize even to this date reading the Scripture is this... There's already water in the atmosphere of heaven that was created in the beginning, do you?
Read below for your better understanding...
Here's my take of Gen 1:1-2 The Story of the Beginning:
In the beginning God Created the heaven (Air) and the Earth (Ground). And the Earth (Ground) was without form, (Dust) and void; (Empty) and darkness was upon the face of the deep, (Water) and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
The 3 elements necessary for all physical form are shown... Air, Dust, and Water. Everything which is physical is composed of these 3 elements. The text is correct in showing that the water was not directly created, or spoken into being, because it consists of elements of the Air or Atmosphere. Water is Hydrogen and Oxygen and came from the Atmosphere and is not shown as a separate creation.
This is correct in today's scientific knowledge, but IF the Scriptures were written by Ancient men, Moses would not have known this. He would have written that in the beginning God created the Air, Dust, and Water, but since God Himself is the Author, He correctly shows that the Atmosphere and Ground were created, and the Water was not a separate creation but instead, came from the Atmosphere.
Hbr 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds (plural) were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Perhaps, what you don't realize even to this date reading the Scripture is this... There's already water in the atmosphere of heaven that was created in the beginning, do you?
Read below for your better understanding...
Here's my take of Gen 1:1-2 The Story of the Beginning:
In the beginning God Created the heaven (Air) and the Earth (Ground). And the Earth (Ground) was without form, (Dust) and void; (Empty) and darkness was upon the face of the deep, (Water) and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
The 3 elements necessary for all physical form are shown... Air, Dust, and Water. Everything which is physical is composed of these 3 elements. The text is correct in showing that the water was not directly created, or spoken into being, because it consists of elements of the Air or Atmosphere. Water is Hydrogen and Oxygen and came from the Atmosphere and is not shown as a separate creation.
This is correct in today's scientific knowledge, but IF the Scriptures were written by Ancient men, Moses would not have known this. He would have written that in the beginning God created the Air, Dust, and Water, but since God Himself is the Author, He correctly shows that the Atmosphere and Ground were created, and the Water was not a separate creation but instead, came from the Atmosphere.
Hbr 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds (plural) were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
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The above images are as close I can get to describe similar conception of the Ancient Universe - the world of Adam that was totally destroyed / dissolved (gone forever) during the Great Flood of Noah....
Just to give us an idea of what we are talking about here.... However, the highest mountain or elevation of the Ancient Earth of Adam was only some 22 1/2 ft. tall ......
God bless
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