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Well...thank you for the information.....we could have a lengthy discussion on the ever changing nature of language (written and oral) and grammar rules but then that is not the topic of discussion. Along with what I already said this is a discussion board not a formal essay, I capitalize what I want for emphasis as well.
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once again, It is all over the bible.
1. God knew mankind would reject him, Become his enemy, Want nothing to do with him, Yet God created them inspite of these FACTS
2. God knew man would replace him with other Gods, Even making them self God. Yet he still created them
3. God knew man would take his truth,, twist it, distort it, and make false truths, and kill each over over these truths, and many men would follow these false truth (more so than will follow his exact truth) Yet God still created them
4. God knew man would rape, pillage, murder, do unspeakable things to their fellow humans so horrific even the heathen is horrified at the insanity, Yet God still created them
5. God created a nation, Called this nation his chosen, Knowing they would reject their creator, they would worship other gods, and want nothing to do with the god who created them, Yet God created them anyway, and allowed them for centuries to continue in his sin (slow to wrath) Because of his unfailing grace
6. God is so graceful that he continues to let evil run the world. because he is willing that non, even some of these evil people, should perish, but all should come to eternal life (see Saul/Paul)
I think people miss the picture of what God is, God is love, God is grace, God is mercy, God is forgiveness, He is the complete picture of what these things are. And we should follow him, and become these things ourselves.
but satan does not want us to see God is grace, Because then he can keep us in bondage.
1. God knew mankind would reject him, Become his enemy, Want nothing to do with him, Yet God created them inspite of these FACTS
2. God knew man would replace him with other Gods, Even making them self God. Yet he still created them
3. God knew man would take his truth,, twist it, distort it, and make false truths, and kill each over over these truths, and many men would follow these false truth (more so than will follow his exact truth) Yet God still created them
4. God knew man would rape, pillage, murder, do unspeakable things to their fellow humans so horrific even the heathen is horrified at the insanity, Yet God still created them
5. God created a nation, Called this nation his chosen, Knowing they would reject their creator, they would worship other gods, and want nothing to do with the god who created them, Yet God created them anyway, and allowed them for centuries to continue in his sin (slow to wrath) Because of his unfailing grace
6. God is so graceful that he continues to let evil run the world. because he is willing that non, even some of these evil people, should perish, but all should come to eternal life (see Saul/Paul)
I think people miss the picture of what God is, God is love, God is grace, God is mercy, God is forgiveness, He is the complete picture of what these things are. And we should follow him, and become these things ourselves.
but satan does not want us to see God is grace, Because then he can keep us in bondage.
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Take the time to read the scriptures here below and it will be obvious that Jesus is grace as He is love and Truth. If after reading the below scriptures if we still say that Jesus is not grace - we have some kind of a blinders on.
The gospel of grace is the gospel of Jesus (Acts 20:24, 2 Th 1:8). - We are saved by grace (Eph 2:5); we are saved by Jesus (2 Tim 1:9).
- We are justified by grace (Rom 3:24); we are justified by Jesus (Rom 4:25).
- Grace helps us; Jesus helps us (Heb 4:16).
- God’s grace offers salvation to all (Tit 2:11); Jesus is the Savior of all (1 Tim 4:10).
- God is love and love that stoops (or comes down) is grace; Jesus is the Father’s love come down (John 16:28).
- The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ (Rom 8:9) and the Spirit of Grace (Heb 10:29).
- All the blessings of God come to us by grace alone and all of them are found in Jesus (Eph 1:3).
- Grace is a teacher (Tit 2:12); Jesus is a teacher (Matt 8:19).
- Grace reigns (Rom 5:21); Jesus reigns (1 Cor 15:25).
- When the Galatians cut themselves off from Christ, they cut themselves off from grace (Gal 5:4).
- In the same way that God is love, Jesus is grace (see 2 Cor 13:14).
- The Bible speaks of “the love of God” and “the grace of Jesus” ( 1Cor 16:23, Rev 22:21).
- God’s grace is given in Christ Jesus” (1 Cor 1:4, Eph 1:6, 2 Tim 1:9, 2:1). Jesus is the embodiment of God’s grace.
- Here are two Biblical blessings that say the same thing: “The Lord be with you” and “grace be with you” (2 Tim 4:22, Phm 1:25).
- The Old Testament prophets foretold the coming of Jesus and the coming of grace (1 Pet 1:10). These weren’t two separate events. Grace came when Jesus came (John 1:17).
- To the degree that we know Jesus, we enjoy God’s grace (2 Pet 1:2)
- Jesus is the word of God and the word of his grace which can build you up (Act 20:32)
Amen..we have been saved through Jesus and what He has done! You cannot separate the wet form the water just like you can't separate grace from Jesus. Grace is not a commodity or a concept - it is Jesus Himself and He is love and Truth too.
I only looked up Eph 2:8-9 and it is dative there. I have not looked at all the other verses but we are saved by means of Christ.
It's the same principal for truth..we are saved by the hearing of truth which is Jesus. You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free! Jesus is Truth.
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What.. What are you saying crossnote? God is love and He tells us to drop our ideas of what we think love is ... and we are to instead adopt His definition of love (by the renewal of our minds) because our way of loving is not His way. His way is known by grace through faith in Christ. Unearned unmerited unconditonal love given to all who recieve Jesus.
God's love by definition is motivated by Him and NOT by the actions of those He loves. (GRACE) We are not to love people based on the outward appearance either. (GRACE) GRACE describes GOD'S KIND of LOVE and God has gifted us with how we are to love others as He does.... with MUCH GRACE. GRACE;God's LOVE IN ACTION is not common.
We are told to love; for love is of God. We are to know that love is the greatest commandment. Grace is the definition of the kind of love invented by God. Do we need a revelation of this kind of love? YES. Without the love of God we can't do the things of the Spirit. The Bible talks about these things that are to abide., faith hope and love.. but the greatest of these is LOVE
We can not ever be in any way discouraged from sharing and talking about the LOVE AND GRACE of God in Christ with each other. There should never be any dispersions thrown out on ANY declaration of God's love and grace. Again., moses brought the law but Grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. Is that another gospel? IT IS THE GOSPEL JESUS BROUGHT
Sometimes these forums are worth taking a vacation from.
What is man that You are mindful of him, and the son of man that You visit him? For You have made him a little lower than the angels, and You have crowned him with glory and honor. You have made him to have dominion over the works of Your hands; You have put all things under his feet.
- Psalm 8:4–6
Who redeems your life from destruction, who crowns you with LOVINGKINDNESS and tender mercies, who satisfies your mouth with good things, so that your youth is renewed like the eagle’s.
- Psalm 103:4–5
For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the Lord, thoughts of peace and not of evil, to give you a future and a hope.
- Jeremiah 29:11
And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have LOVED them as You have loved Me.
- John 17:22–23
So continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart, praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved.
- Acts 2:46–47
Call to Me, and I will answer you, and show you great and mighty things, which you do not know.
- Jeremiah 33:3
...For if by the one man’s offence many died, much more the GRACE of God and the gift by the GRACE of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many.
- Romans 5:15
For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under GRACE.
- Romans 6:14
For if by the one man’s offence death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of GRACE and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.
- Romans 5:17
For you know the GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was rich, yet for your sakes He became poor, that you through His poverty might become rich.
- 2 Corinthians 8:9
And God is able to make all GRACE abound toward you, that you, always having all sufficiency in all things, may have an abundance for every good work.
- 2 Corinthians 9:8
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ,
- Ephesians 1:3
In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His GRACE which He made to abound toward us in all wisdom and prudence,
- Ephesians 1:7–8
Now may our Lord Jesus Christ Himself, and our God and Father, who has LOVED us and given us everlasting consolation and good hope by GRACE, comfort your hearts and establish you in every good word and work.
- 2 Thessalonians 2:16–17
And the GRACE of our Lord was exceedingly abundant, with faith and LOVE which are in Christ Jesus.
- 1 Timothy 1:14
Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of GRACE, that we may obtain mercy and find GRACE to help in time of need.
- Hebrews 4:16
But when the KINDNESS and the LOVE of God our Saviour toward man appeared, not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour, that having been justified by His GRACE we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
- Titus 3:4–7
GRACE and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue,
- 2 Peter 1:2–3
God's love by definition is motivated by Him and NOT by the actions of those He loves. (GRACE) We are not to love people based on the outward appearance either. (GRACE) GRACE describes GOD'S KIND of LOVE and God has gifted us with how we are to love others as He does.... with MUCH GRACE. GRACE;God's LOVE IN ACTION is not common.
We are told to love; for love is of God. We are to know that love is the greatest commandment. Grace is the definition of the kind of love invented by God. Do we need a revelation of this kind of love? YES. Without the love of God we can't do the things of the Spirit. The Bible talks about these things that are to abide., faith hope and love.. but the greatest of these is LOVE
We can not ever be in any way discouraged from sharing and talking about the LOVE AND GRACE of God in Christ with each other. There should never be any dispersions thrown out on ANY declaration of God's love and grace. Again., moses brought the law but Grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. Is that another gospel? IT IS THE GOSPEL JESUS BROUGHT
Sometimes these forums are worth taking a vacation from.
What is man that You are mindful of him, and the son of man that You visit him? For You have made him a little lower than the angels, and You have crowned him with glory and honor. You have made him to have dominion over the works of Your hands; You have put all things under his feet.
- Psalm 8:4–6
Who redeems your life from destruction, who crowns you with LOVINGKINDNESS and tender mercies, who satisfies your mouth with good things, so that your youth is renewed like the eagle’s.
- Psalm 103:4–5
For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the Lord, thoughts of peace and not of evil, to give you a future and a hope.
- Jeremiah 29:11
And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have LOVED them as You have loved Me.
- John 17:22–23
So continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart, praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved.
- Acts 2:46–47
Call to Me, and I will answer you, and show you great and mighty things, which you do not know.
- Jeremiah 33:3
...For if by the one man’s offence many died, much more the GRACE of God and the gift by the GRACE of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many.
- Romans 5:15
For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under GRACE.
- Romans 6:14
For if by the one man’s offence death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of GRACE and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.
- Romans 5:17
For you know the GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was rich, yet for your sakes He became poor, that you through His poverty might become rich.
- 2 Corinthians 8:9
And God is able to make all GRACE abound toward you, that you, always having all sufficiency in all things, may have an abundance for every good work.
- 2 Corinthians 9:8
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ,
- Ephesians 1:3
In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His GRACE which He made to abound toward us in all wisdom and prudence,
- Ephesians 1:7–8
Now may our Lord Jesus Christ Himself, and our God and Father, who has LOVED us and given us everlasting consolation and good hope by GRACE, comfort your hearts and establish you in every good word and work.
- 2 Thessalonians 2:16–17
And the GRACE of our Lord was exceedingly abundant, with faith and LOVE which are in Christ Jesus.
- 1 Timothy 1:14
Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of GRACE, that we may obtain mercy and find GRACE to help in time of need.
- Hebrews 4:16
But when the KINDNESS and the LOVE of God our Saviour toward man appeared, not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour, that having been justified by His GRACE we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
- Titus 3:4–7
GRACE and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue,
- 2 Peter 1:2–3
Try these scriptures in the below link..they may help you to understand what is being said...but everyone is free to believe what they want too. It doesn't take away from what the Lord has done for us in His great salvation!
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...growth-within-gods-people-19.html#post2650066
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...growth-within-gods-people-19.html#post2650066
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This is like saying, "I married my husband for his wallet, his blue eyes, his easy laugh, and yet I did not marry him for his lack of furniture, his quick wit, his determination, or his flash of anger."
Marriage isn't about taking part of who the person is and ignoring the rest. It isn't about what I can get out of the deal. I am NOT the center of my marriage!
And if you think that's unrelated, Jesus is the groom and the church is the bride.
Maybe your problem is you don't think you're human like the rest of us poor schmoes.
Marriage isn't about taking part of who the person is and ignoring the rest. It isn't about what I can get out of the deal. I am NOT the center of my marriage!
And if you think that's unrelated, Jesus is the groom and the church is the bride.
Maybe your problem is you don't think you're human like the rest of us poor schmoes.
David lived in a different covenant altho he did seem to see glimpses of the new from time to time as he did say this too - speaking of the New Covenant to come. I think this is one of the reasons why God called David a man after His own heart.
The New Covenant is different from the Old.
Romans 4:6-8 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] just as David also speaks of the blessing on the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:
[SUP]7 [/SUP] "BLESSED ARE THOSE WHOSE LAWLESS DEEDS HAVE BEEN FORGIVEN, AND WHOSE SINS HAVE BEEN COVERED.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] "BLESSED IS THE MAN WHOSE SIN THE LORD WILL NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT."
The New Covenant is different from the Old.
Romans 4:6-8 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] just as David also speaks of the blessing on the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:
[SUP]7 [/SUP] "BLESSED ARE THOSE WHOSE LAWLESS DEEDS HAVE BEEN FORGIVEN, AND WHOSE SINS HAVE BEEN COVERED.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] "BLESSED IS THE MAN WHOSE SIN THE LORD WILL NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT."
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