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Ah, thanks. I do have linguistics in my background and knew capping words has nothing to do with linguistics. I'm not a polyglot though. (I'm a monoglot.) So I thought she might have been talking about another language and that's how linguistics comes into play in other languages somehow. Now I know. That's not it either. Two excuses to cap the name of a god.
Agape love is God in manifestation. There are different kinds of love. If we think of human love - we'll get mixed up in our understanding of truths about the nature and heart and essence of our Lord.
You can't separate grace from Jesus just like you can't separate the wet from water anymore then we can separate love or truth from Jesus.
You can't separate grace from Jesus just like you can't separate the wet from water anymore then we can separate love or truth from Jesus.
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You were right lynn..I can't stay away from the confusing and twisted things being said. Trying to separate grace from Jesus is like trying to separate the wet from water. I too agree that grace should not be capitalized ( however I do understand the reason one might do it but for the sake of it being a stumbling block to others I don't do it nor have I ever in the past )
I do agree too however that young Christians could get mixed up and not put their focus in on Christ and just a mental concept because they are not able to understand that Jesus is grace personified as it is all Him. Us older Christians should be able to see that Jesus is grace and love and it is impossible to separate them out.
Here are some thoughts on trying to separate the wet from the water and grace from Jesus. Anyone that takes the time to read the scriptures below would agree that it is impossible to separate grace from Jesus Himself as it is impossible to separate love from Him. Jesus is called the Truth. Does that make it wrong to say Jesus is Truth now?
Why is grace another name for Jesus?
Why does it matter?
This matters a great deal because grace will not bear fruit in your life if you think it is merely a concept or a doctrine. As Judah Smith said recently:
We shudder at the term grace because it has been so maligned, so abused, so misrepresented. We see grace as the get out of jail free card. “Oh yeah, I love me some grace man. I get my jiggy on in the weekend then I come back on Sunday and get me my grace on.” No, that’s not grace. You’ve met a concept, not a Person.”
I regularly encounter people who don’t know what grace is so they misuse it or they attack it. Just the other day someone wrote to tell me that too much preaching on grace leads to wrongdoing. That’s simply not possible when you have a proper understanding of grace. Grace no more leads to wrongdoing than love for your spouse will lead you to Ashley Madison.
The other day I happened to catch a prominent TV evangelist tearing my stuff to shreds on his program. (Watched by millions!) It’s nice to be noticed but I was saddened that he was using his platform to disparage the only thing that can empower people to live well.
I occasionally get asked by pastors to come and preach a sermon or run a seminar on grace because they recognize it as a hot topic. It makes me wonder what they’re preaching when they’re not preaching grace. Jesus is not a “hot topic” or a buzzword to be slotted into your teaching schedule. He’s the Lover of our souls and the Center of Everything!
What grace is not
Grace is not a doctrine or a podcast or a tweet. Grace is not a season to walk through or a midweek seminar. Grace is not one aspect of God’s character to be balanced against his other, less gracious aspects.
Grace is a Person who loves you, died for you, and now lives for you. The gospel of grace is the gospel of Jesus – there is no difference.
The grace of the Lord Jesus be with you!
Here is the link that has more of this article on it for those that are interested.
https://escapetoreality.org/2015/09/04/grace-is-a-person/
I do agree too however that young Christians could get mixed up and not put their focus in on Christ and just a mental concept because they are not able to understand that Jesus is grace personified as it is all Him. Us older Christians should be able to see that Jesus is grace and love and it is impossible to separate them out.
Here are some thoughts on trying to separate the wet from the water and grace from Jesus. Anyone that takes the time to read the scriptures below would agree that it is impossible to separate grace from Jesus Himself as it is impossible to separate love from Him. Jesus is called the Truth. Does that make it wrong to say Jesus is Truth now?
Why is grace another name for Jesus?
- The gospel of grace is the gospel of Jesus (Acts 20:24, 2 Th 1:8).
- We are saved by grace (Eph 2:5); we are saved by Jesus (2 Tim 1:9).
- We are justified by grace (Rom 3:24); we are justified by Jesus (Rom 4:25).
- Grace helps us; Jesus helps us (Heb 4:16).
- God’s grace offers salvation to all (Tit 2:11); Jesus is the Savior of all (1 Tim 4:10).
- God is love and love that stoops (or comes down) is grace; Jesus is the Father’s love come down (John 16:28).
- The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ (Rom 8:9) and the Spirit of Grace (Heb 10:29).
- All the blessings of God come to us by grace alone and all of them are found in Jesus (Eph 1:3).
- Grace is a teacher (Tit 2:12); Jesus is a teacher (Matt 8:19).
- Grace reigns (Rom 5:21); Jesus reigns (1 Cor 15:25).
- When the Galatians cut themselves off from Christ, they cut themselves off from grace (Gal 5:4).
- In the same way that God is love, Jesus is grace (see 2 Cor 13:14).
- The Bible speaks of “the love of God” and “the grace of Jesus” ( 1Cor 16:23, Rev 22:21).
- God’s grace is given in Christ Jesus” (1 Cor 1:4, Eph 1:6, 2 Tim 1:9, 2:1). Jesus is the embodiment of God’s grace.
- Here are two Biblical blessings that say the same thing: “The Lord be with you” and “grace be with you” (2 Tim 4:22, Phm 1:25).
- The Old Testament prophets foretold the coming of Jesus and the coming of grace (1 Pet 1:10). These weren’t two separate events. Grace came when Jesus came (John 1:17).
- To the degree that we know Jesus, we enjoy God’s grace (2 Pet 1:2)
- Jesus is the word of God and the word of his grace which can build you up (Act 20:32)
Why does it matter?
This matters a great deal because grace will not bear fruit in your life if you think it is merely a concept or a doctrine. As Judah Smith said recently:
We shudder at the term grace because it has been so maligned, so abused, so misrepresented. We see grace as the get out of jail free card. “Oh yeah, I love me some grace man. I get my jiggy on in the weekend then I come back on Sunday and get me my grace on.” No, that’s not grace. You’ve met a concept, not a Person.”
I regularly encounter people who don’t know what grace is so they misuse it or they attack it. Just the other day someone wrote to tell me that too much preaching on grace leads to wrongdoing. That’s simply not possible when you have a proper understanding of grace. Grace no more leads to wrongdoing than love for your spouse will lead you to Ashley Madison.
The other day I happened to catch a prominent TV evangelist tearing my stuff to shreds on his program. (Watched by millions!) It’s nice to be noticed but I was saddened that he was using his platform to disparage the only thing that can empower people to live well.
I occasionally get asked by pastors to come and preach a sermon or run a seminar on grace because they recognize it as a hot topic. It makes me wonder what they’re preaching when they’re not preaching grace. Jesus is not a “hot topic” or a buzzword to be slotted into your teaching schedule. He’s the Lover of our souls and the Center of Everything!
What grace is not
Grace is not a doctrine or a podcast or a tweet. Grace is not a season to walk through or a midweek seminar. Grace is not one aspect of God’s character to be balanced against his other, less gracious aspects.
Grace is a Person who loves you, died for you, and now lives for you. The gospel of grace is the gospel of Jesus – there is no difference.
The grace of the Lord Jesus be with you!
Here is the link that has more of this article on it for those that are interested.
https://escapetoreality.org/2015/09/04/grace-is-a-person/
Now you know all you need to know about him. He IS Blue-Eyes. Nothing else to know, nothing else to think about with him.
Seems stupid, doesn't it? And yet this IS the same thing you're trying to get all others to believe.
Yes, he has blue-eyes! No, that is not all there is to know about him.
And a covenant build upon better promises and of then blood of Jesus that speaks of better things.
Here is a whole thread about all this if you want to see the differences between forgiveness in the Old Covenant vs the New Covenant. There has been a change! We have a great salvation inn our Lord!
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...ion-confession-1-john-1-9-sin-confession.html
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When we speak of God's attributes, we are talking about those characteristics that helps us to understand who He truly is. That which follows is a thorough, yet incomplete list and summary of His attributes.
[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD]Eternality[/TD]
[TD]Mercy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Goodness[/TD]
[TD]Omnipotence[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Grace[/TD]
[TD]Omnipresence[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Holiness[/TD]
[TD]Omniscience[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Immanence[/TD]
[TD]Righteousness[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Immutability [/TD]
[TD]Self-Existence[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Justice[/TD]
[TD]Sovereignty[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Love[/TD]
[TD]Transcendence[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/attributes.cfm
know and worship all of God, just for Who He is.
[TABLE]
[TR]
[TD]Eternality[/TD]
[TD]Mercy[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Goodness[/TD]
[TD]Omnipotence[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Grace[/TD]
[TD]Omnipresence[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Holiness[/TD]
[TD]Omniscience[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Immanence[/TD]
[TD]Righteousness[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Immutability [/TD]
[TD]Self-Existence[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Justice[/TD]
[TD]Sovereignty[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Love[/TD]
[TD]Transcendence[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/attributes.cfm
know and worship all of God, just for Who He is.
I have left the posts filled with scriptures about grace and Jesus so I'm done with my part and everyone is allowed to believe what they want in this area.
Ok now though it looks like it's time to obey this scripture below as it is becoming useless and unprofitable....have a great day everyone!
2 Timothy 2:23 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
Ok now though it looks like it's time to obey this scripture below as it is becoming useless and unprofitable....have a great day everyone!
2 Timothy 2:23 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
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Why does he not forgive those who reject him?
Trying to put fallen angels in the same category as fallen man is not applicable. Man has not seen and Known God as they did.. They have seen God as he is, we have not..
Did not have to. thanks, Thats grace, God did not have to but he did anyway, Not because we earned it, but because he loved.
God is the pure example of grace and love and mercy. There will never be another fall after this world is destroyed, because of this very reason..
Trying to put fallen angels in the same category as fallen man is not applicable. Man has not seen and Known God as they did.. They have seen God as he is, we have not..
Did not have to. thanks, Thats grace, God did not have to but he did anyway, Not because we earned it, but because he loved.
God is the pure example of grace and love and mercy. There will never be another fall after this world is destroyed, because of this very reason..
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1. If it's not part of the discussion why did you bring it up and explain your expertise in it? (Which ends up wasn't expertise.)
2. And you didn't get downgraded on your grades for unnecessary capping?
I'm not nitpicking. I'm exposing the marketing techniques in promoting this heresy. If I were writing a marketing book, I could use the techniques you've used just in this thread alone to fill up half the book with examples of what doesn't work.
Either you fell for a bait-and-switch so hard you're still trying to convince yourself that you still made a wise choice, or your working on baiting others for the bait-and-switch. It's just not working either way. If you're the former, deal with you've been had and move on, because the more time invested in this scheme the more it's going to hurt when you realize you were scammed.
God is not Grace.
Grace is not God.
Grace is something given by God to "whosoever will believe."
2. And you didn't get downgraded on your grades for unnecessary capping?
I'm not nitpicking. I'm exposing the marketing techniques in promoting this heresy. If I were writing a marketing book, I could use the techniques you've used just in this thread alone to fill up half the book with examples of what doesn't work.
Either you fell for a bait-and-switch so hard you're still trying to convince yourself that you still made a wise choice, or your working on baiting others for the bait-and-switch. It's just not working either way. If you're the former, deal with you've been had and move on, because the more time invested in this scheme the more it's going to hurt when you realize you were scammed.
God is not Grace.
Grace is not God.
Grace is something given by God to "whosoever will believe."
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