Former 9/11 commissioner drops bombshell about Saudi Arabia and those 28 pages

[jaybird88]

Every response seems to prove the opposite, that you lack common sense and that you do not question the nonsense you embrace.
Where is this evidence of which you claim? I don't see it and the reason is you and others do not provide it. What it proves, Mr. common sense, is that something is likely to be true. The lack of credible evidence proves something is likely not true. Have you ever been in a courtroom? Do you understand how they prove something is most likely to be true? Evidence.

evidence?
the fact that politicians are always caught lying would be one. if someone lied to you every other time you spoke to them would you believe everything they told you?
the corruption in our government. one thousand honest working men can send letters to their state appointed senator, and then he gets one letter with a million dollar check from a corporation, who does that government leader speak for?

this is the logic and plain reasoning (common sense) i am referring to.

Islam absolutely benefitted from 9/11. ISIS and other radical groups benefitted from 9/11. It emboldened them. The U.S. government did not benefit. They had to pay the victims billions. They had to create a new department of Homeland security, spending a lot of our money. They had to do exhaustive investigations of the attacks and they had to know that kooks wouldn't believe any of the findings, no matter how many pages of evidence they provided. There is now a cottage industry of conspiracy theories being embraced by feeble minded people who don't trust the government and can't be reached by simply showing them things like evidence that proves a plane, not a missile, hit the Pentagon.

yet after 911 we invade iraq, a country that had little to do with it. the whole point of it was to have more influence in the middle east counties, that benefits a small number of leaders in the US, not the people and not Muslims.

Do you even realize that everything you posted above is false. Of course not. What I find amazing is that everything you say is exactly what I expect you to say. I even predict it. I say that next conspiracy person will refuse to provide any evidence for their theory and then you post a message refusing to provide any evidence, suggesting evidence doesn't prove anything. Say that to yourself a few times and let it soak in. Evidence doesn't prove anything. Sounds crazy doesn't it? Yet, some lunatic posted something far less compelling online somewhere, to attempt to create a conspiracy, and you bought it hook, line, and sinker, without question.

evidence doesn't prove anything lol. if a port a potty fell out of an airplane and landed on your home and everyone is saying something stinks, would you tell em its all in their head because there is no evidence?
their is plenty of evidence, there is evidence on both sides. but you refuse to wake up and see (or smell) the obvious. the "official" story of evidence provided does not add up.

 

[jaybird88]

To think that all Arabs wear head turbans shows profound ignorance of their culture. You could fill a warehouse with the things gathered from the crash sites. Human remains, wedding rings, credit cards, jewelry, shoes, luggage, plane parts, change, wallets.

When you say that "I think...", I have to question whether you really do think things out before you post messages here. I see no sign of thinking on your posts.

nobody said all arabs wear them, that was you making that assumption, you may want to try "thinking" next time before you make remarks that make you look foolish. the turbans among many other "arab" related things were the only thing the news media seemed to want to report on. that was the point, the point you seemed to miss.

 

[Sinnerman]

evidence?
the fact that politicians are always caught lying would be one. if someone lied to you every other time you spoke to them would you believe everything they told you?
the corruption in our government. one thousand honest working men can send letters to their state appointed senator, and then he gets one letter with a million dollar check from a corporation, who does that government leader speak for?

this is the logic and plain reasoning (common sense) i am referring to.

You seem to believe all politicians lie and therefore the U.S. government murdered 3000 people on 9/11. Isn't it more likely that some politicians lie some of the time and that a bunch of radical terrorists hijacked and flew several commercial airliners into the WTC towers, the Pentagon and into the ground in Pennsylvania? Wouldn't that be logical? I knew a lawyer who lied and a contractor that worked on my home that lied. Does that mean they were involved in the 9/11 attacks? Walk me through your theory, please. Tell me how many politicians got together and decided to attack the U.S. How did they find radical terrorists they could persuade to fly the planes? An ad in the paper? Did they have lunch with these terrorists and offer to pay their surviving families if they went on this suicide attack? Really, walk me though your theory from beginning to end.



yet after 911 we invade iraq, a country that had little to do with it. the whole point of it was to have more influence in the middle east counties, that benefits a small number of leaders in the US, not the people and not Muslims.


OK, do we have more influence in the Middle East? No, then it was not a logical plan, was it? Who were the small number of leaders who benefitted? Tell me their names. It seems most of the politicians who supported the war were voted out of office as a result. What is the benefit to plotting an attack on your own country and then getting booted out of office because you spent too much time and money fighting terrorists in wars people did not support? I fail to see the upside that you seem to see.





evidence doesn't prove anything.

their is plenty of evidence, there is evidence on both sides..

the "official" story of evidence provided does not add up.

Evidence proves guilt and it proves innocence.

If there is plenty of evidence to prove what you claim to believe, post some of it up. Otherwise you are just like those politicians you despise who make things up.

What doesn't add up? We all saw the planes fly into the buildings. We all saw video of the terrorists boarding the planes. We all heard the voice of the one terrorists who took over the cockpit. We heard the voices of passengers as they called loved ones to tell them the terrorists had hijacked the plane. The investigation showed these terrorists were learning to fly planes. They boarded planes, hijacked those planes and then crashed those planes. It adds up perfectly. Most of all, I am thankful the people investigating the attacks are a whole lot brighter than the people who hide out in their homes, isolated from the world, writing incoherent nonsense about a wild conspiracy they know has no basis in fact.

 

[jaybird88]

Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta , FAA Administrator Jane Garvey, National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice, and President Bush are all on the record making statements that they never expected terrorist to use aircraft as missiles to fly into buildings.

Only forty years prior their were the Japanese kamikazes of WW2. More recently, in 1994, there were three separate attempts to hijack planes and fly them into buildings. A Fedex worker tried to crash a plain into a building in Memphis but was overpowered by the crew. A small plane crashed onto the White House grounds, just missing the president’s bedroom. An Air France flight was hijacked by a terrorist group linked to alqaeda, with the aim of flying it into the Eiffel Tower; however, French Special Forces stormed the plane while it was refueling.

“Never did we think someone would fly a plain into a building”

sorry but im not buying that one

funny how terrorist tried to do same hing in France but were intercepted by french special forces, I wonder how their financial budget compares to NORAD?

 

[Sinnerman]

Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta , FAA Administrator Jane Garvey, National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice, and President Bush are all on the record making statements that they never expected terrorist to use aircraft as missiles to fly into buildings.

Only forty years prior their were the Japanese kamikazes of WW2. More recently, in 1994, there were three separate attempts to hijack planes and fly them into buildings. A Fedex worker tried to crash a plain into a building in Memphis but was overpowered by the crew. A small plane crashed onto the White House grounds, just missing the president’s bedroom. An Air France flight was hijacked by a terrorist group linked to alqaeda, with the aim of flying it into the Eiffel Tower; however, French Special Forces stormed the plane while it was refueling.

“Never did we think someone would fly a plain into a building”

sorry but im not buying that one

funny how terrorist tried to do same hing in France but were intercepted by french special forces, I wonder how their financial budget compares to NORAD?

You should try to understand that a politician saying they didn't expect terrorists to fly commercial airliners into buildings is possibly true and possible them making excuses for not being prepared. But it is totally and completely different than suggesting that therefore, the politicians were part of the attack on their own country. To take that step is insane, and requires proof that you don't feel you need to provide. You feel comfortable finding people guilty of slaughtering thousands of innocent people based on a hunch. It makes as much sense as suggesting someone on this site was responsible for the attack, based on a hunch.

Yet here you are, making post after post and never once offering any evidence for your kooky theory. You have as much credibility as someone who says Martian's were responsible for the attacks. You have provided the same amount of evidence as they have. Maybe you need to do yourself a favor and take a time out before you make any more foolish statements.

 

[jaybird88]

Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta , FAA Administrator Jane Garvey, National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice, and President Bush are all on the record making statements that they never expected terrorist to use aircraft as missiles to fly into buildings.

Only forty years prior their were the Japanese kamikazes of WW2. More recently, in 1994, there were three separate attempts to hijack planes and fly them into buildings. A Fedex worker tried to crash a plain into a building in Memphis but was overpowered by the crew. A small plane crashed onto the White House grounds, just missing the president’s bedroom. An Air France flight was hijacked by a terrorist group linked to alqaeda, with the aim of flying it into the Eiffel Tower; however, French Special Forces stormed the plane while it was refueling.

“Never did we think someone would fly a plain into a building”

sorry but im not buying that one

funny how terrorist tried to do same hing in France but were intercepted by french special forces, I wonder how their financial budget compares to NORAD?

You should try to understand that a politician saying they didn't expect terrorists to fly commercial airliners into buildings is possibly true and possible them making excuses for not being prepared.

what i posted proves their statement is not true

But it is totally and completely different than suggesting that therefore, the politicians were part of the attack on their own country. To take that step is insane, and requires proof that you don't feel you need to provide. You feel comfortable finding people guilty of slaughtering thousands of innocent people based on a hunch. It makes as much sense as suggesting someone on this site was responsible for the attack, based on a hunch.

please point out in my post where i say any of the four people mentioned were responsible for the attacks?

Yet here you are, making post after post and never once offering any evidence for your kooky theory. You have as much credibility as someone who says Martian's were responsible for the attacks. You have provided the same amount of evidence as they have. Maybe you need to do yourself a favor and take a time out before you make any more foolish statements.

and here you are, woosh right over your head, not seeing what a young child could easily pick up on and conclude that it does not make sense. bless your heart.

 

[Sinnerman]

And another wasted post, jaybird. Why are you on this forum? What is it you believe, exactly. State what it is you believe about 9/11 and provide supporting evidence. Quit playing games where you don't say much of anything, other than that government officials were surprised by the 9/11 attacks, and that doesn't make sense to you. You want the government to say they were expecting the attack or that they admit they planned the attack. Do you really think that will happen? I think we were all surprised by the 9/11 attacks, so lets move on.

Take a stand. 9/11, JFK, Sandy Hook, The Moon Landing, chem trails, fluoride in water, or take your pick. Try to set aside the fact you are angry at the government. Just pick a conspiracy and state what you believe and tell us why you believe it and what convinced you it was true. I prefer to discuss the 9/11 attack on the Pentagon because I researched it in great detail and posted evidence that thoroughly debunks every conspiracy theory I've heard. So it would be great if you told me if you believe the hijacked plane was flown into the Pentagon or if you believe it wasn't, and that a missile was fired at the Pentagon.

But I get the distinct impression that you aren't the type of person to take a stand and share your thoughts and beliefs and are able to provide a coherent defense of your beliefs by posting evidence that supports your belief. You have yet to prove otherwise.

 

[jaybird88]

And another wasted post, jaybird. Why are you on this forum? What is it you believe, exactly. State what it is you believe about 9/11 and provide supporting evidence. Quit playing games where you don't say much of anything, other than that government officials were surprised by the 9/11 attacks, and that doesn't make sense to you. You want the government to say they were expecting the attack or that they admit they planned the attack. Do you really think that will happen? I think we were all surprised by the 9/11 attacks, so lets move on.

Take a stand. 9/11, JFK, Sandy Hook, The Moon Landing, chem trails, fluoride in water, or take your pick. Try to set aside the fact you are angry at the government. Just pick a conspiracy and state what you believe and tell us why you believe it and what convinced you it was true. I prefer to discuss the 9/11 attack on the Pentagon because I researched it in great detail and posted evidence that thoroughly debunks every conspiracy theory I've heard. So it would be great if you told me if you believe the hijacked plane was flown into the Pentagon or if you believe it wasn't, and that a missile was fired at the Pentagon.

But I get the distinct impression that you aren't the type of person to take a stand and share your thoughts and beliefs and are able to provide a coherent defense of your beliefs by posting evidence that supports your belief. You have yet to prove otherwise.

i made a statement and took a stand in post 44.
just because you cant tackle it does not mean you get a do over with a different one.

 

[Sinnerman]

i made a statement and took a stand in post 44.
just because you cant tackle it does not mean you get a do over with a different one.

That's not taking a stand. Saying something didn't add up to you isn't taking a stand. It is admitting you don't understand what happened or why.

First, you made an assertion that several people in government were on the record saying something, but you didn't link to where they said what you claimed they said. Where can we find these admissions? What do these alleged admissions mean, exactly? You aren't saying. Why? Are you saying there was not a conspiracy? Are you saying a bunch of radical terrorists did train to fly planes and crashed them on 9/11, killing close to 3000 Americans? If that is what you are saying, you and I agree. What we all saw and what we were told happened, is exactly what did happen, despite your disappointment in government officials who didn't learn any lessons from WWII suicide pilots. My thoughts on that are the Japanese suicide pilots had training and were given planes to fly. We probably didn't think there were any terrorists who knew how to fly and had the ability to take over a commercial airliner with crude weapons that got past airport security. They were much more sophisticated than most people expected. Now we lock the cabin door and reinforce it. Something that should have been done decades ago. But that doesn't mean that the U.S. government planned the attacks or that missiles were fired at the Pentagon. Right? Can we agree on that?