The size of Noah's Ark

Tintin · Jun 6, 2016

Seve said:

Wrong again Tintin. Shame on you.

When are you going to stop projecting your own weaknesses on us? As I have said before, your Ancient Traditional Goat Herder view of Genesis is not supported by the Scripture.

Here' below for your further education. Don't worry , it's free, since, you already wasted your money on useless books:

Genesis 1 is an Outline of ALL of the events leading to the Creation of the Perfect Heaven. Most of the rest of the Bible refers to the present 6th Day, but ALL of the Bible refers to the events of God's 6 Creative Days... all the way to the Book of Revelation. That's why we are taken back to the 3rd Day at Gen 2:4. The narrative is adding details to the events listed in Gen 1. Both accounts agree totally and in detail.

Since God sees the End from the Beginning (Isa 46:10), He wrote our History more than 3k years ago, and the events at the end of the present 6th Day are still Future. IOW, God told the complete story of the Creation in Genesis 1 and beginning at Gen 2:4, we begin to learn the details of the events of Genesis 1

A Yowm is a period of Labor or work when God is doing His work of creating. There is NO time limit or number of days, years, etc. How do you explain that God has more than 7 Days in Genesis?

Adam was "formed" (like a potter would mold a clay) of the dust of the ground" on the 3rd Day, becoming a Living Soul (Genesis 2:4-7)... same Day the first Earth was made; the same Day (3rd Day) as the Big Bang of our Cosmos (13.7 yrs ago), BEFORE the plants, herbs, trees, stars of our cosmos.... and moving creatures that has life which came forth from the water on the 5th Day (Gen 1:21)... and those creatures made (by the Son) on the 6th Day from the dust of the ground, which Adam named.

Adam lived for Billions of years with Jesus...as our Lord's meet. He was surrounded by a Shekinah Glory, but lost his glory when he disobeyed the Lord’ commandment and sinned together with Eve on the present 6th Day.

In the Day, Adam and Eve were Created in the Image and Likeness of God, or Born Again spiritually on the 6[SUP]th[/SUP] Day - both A&E have already committed their “original sins”; they have been kicked- out of the garden of Eden; and Cain had already killed Abel. This Creation process (Gen. 1:26-27; 5:1-3) took place during Seth’ generations; only after Man started to call upon the name of the Lord and repent. Adam and Eve were the first couple to be redeemed by the Lord.

1 Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. v46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

Wow. Hahahahahah! Just wow. Wow. Hahahahahaha! Wow.

Seve · Jun 6, 2016

RBA238 said:

fredoheaven said:

It's simple to know if one's interpretation is correct. If it agrees with God's Holy Word, true Science, and History, it's as close to the One Truth as is Humanly possible. The fault is Not with God's Truth, but with man's ability to understand it, for His thoughts are far above man's thoughts.

That's why I seek the agreement of every other discovered Truth, to measure against God's Holy Word. There is Only 1 Truth, and every other discovered Truth MUST agree with God's Truth or we have Not found the 1 Truth.

I love to see other Christian's views, for that is the way we learn (just like I am still learning). The Holy Spirit reveals one thing to me and something else to another. Listen to the Old Songs, and read the words, and you will see the Holy Spirit in action.

When we all get together, in Heaven, we will come to know All of the Truth. Jesus told us "I am the Truth". I can hardly wait to know God's Truth, face to face. How bout you?

Note: Science' study of our origin is only confined to our own universe at this time. They don't know anything about other worlds, the world of Adam and the 3rd heaven - the new heaven and the new earth (Rev 21) being made at this time. That's why their scientific assumption that we evolved from Apes is False - simply because, they are willingly ignorant of Adam's world and origin (some 15B yrs. ago) written even before our present universe any other creature ever created and made into this world. But now, they are beginning to discover and catching up to what is written in the Scripture more than 3k yrs. ago - little by little, their knowledge is increasing on this last days.

Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Seve · Jun 6, 2016

Tintin said:

The Book of Genesis tells us that God has but 7 Days. He has 6 Creative Days in which He labors to bring His Creation to Perfection.

At the end of the 6th Day or Age, Mankind will be given dominion or rule over EVERY living things that moves on this world (including the viruses, mosquitos, sharks, etc.). God also will give man to eat of Every tree, including the Tree of Life (Rev 22:14). God will also make ALL animals to eat herbs as meat. The Prophecy of Genesis 1:28-30 has NOT yet happened, which means that we remain in the 6th Day.

Unless you can support your OPINION with Scripture Science or History, you have been REFUTED once again, sorry.

Isa 43:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Blain · Jun 6, 2016

Noahs ark is one part of the bible I cannot ever figure out. To have built a boat with just him and most likely his family as well big enough to not only hold every two kind of animal in the world but enough food and water for all of them plus his family with the technology they had back then building such a boat that large would take many many years and not to mention feeding and taking care of and cleaning up after all those animals would take a crew of hundreds not a crew of a man and his family.

fredoheaven · Jun 6, 2016

Seve said:

Hi Sir Seve,

Yes, true science cannot contradict the revealed truth. If a theory is false in science, then it must be false in theology as well (and vice versa). Wherever truth is found, the truth of God is being discovered.

You said: When we all get together, in Heaven, we will come to know All of the Truth.

What does that mean, I am just intrigue with "we will come to know All the truth". Do one think that he or she someday becomes gods or goddesses in heaven? of course, Jesus said he was the "truth" and knowing the truth is found in the revealed truth-Scriptures. IMHO, the revealed truth in the bible is already enough of knowing the truth and anyone who is not yet satisfied with it is craving of the "other truth"?

Reading the Bible in Genesis somehow showed the subtlety of the serpent to Eve and one of his best propaganda is to know it all, knowing both sides, the evil and the good. Well, as for me, it is enough that i have the scriptures and I am satisfied with it.

Genesis 1:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

Tintin · Jun 7, 2016

Blain said:

Noahs ark is one part of the bible I cannot ever figure out. To have built a boat with just him and most likely his family as well big enough to not only hold every two kind of animal in the world but enough food and water for all of them plus his family with the technology they had back then building such a boat that large would take many many years and not to mention feeding and taking care of and cleaning up after all those animals would take a crew of hundreds not a crew of a man and his family.

And yet it's God's truth and part of our history.

Seve · Jun 7, 2016

Seve said:

fredoheaven said:

Here’s what I meant to say....

Each Christian has his own measure of information. I do not question the work of the Holy Spirit, for His ways are above my ways. Each Christian learns what he should know, as the Holy Spirit leads him.

That's how God has chosen to reveal His Truth. Look at all the denominations. If you look at Christianity as a big Pie, and see all the denominations as slices in the pie, you will find that God's Truth is in the whole pie, and that each slice teaches only part of God's Truth.

Why? Because ONLY those who have Faith, not knowledge, can enter the Kingdom of God. The complexity of views of the various denominations assure that we must come to God by Faith alone, no matter the denomination.

God bless

Seve · Jun 7, 2016

The Flood and it's consequences, as told in Genesis, is truly an amazing story. It's a terrific mystery, when unraveled, displays the Supreme Intelligence of our God and tells us of our True Origins. In order to understand the Flood, one must understand the following:

The world of Adam was an enclosed Biosphere much smaller than our world, which was totally surrounded by the firmament which protected it from the water into which it was placed. Gen 1:6-8

Adam's Earth was not on a Rocky Planet, like our present Earth, since it was "clean dissolved" in the Flood, and rocks don't dissolve in water. Isa 24:19

Noah and the Ark were 22 1/2 ft (15 cubits) above the highest elevation of Adam's Earth on the 150th Day after the Flood began. At this depth the mountains of that Earth were covered in water. Gen 7:20

On the SAME 150th Day after the Flood began, the Ark rested upon the mountains of Ararat. Gen 8:4

That's one of the mysteries. HOW could the Ark be in both places on the SAME Day?

Seve · Jun 7, 2016

The Ark was above the highest mountains of Adam's world. The firmament, in which Adam's Earth was contained, was floating in Lake Van, Turkey, the largest Lake in Turkey. It's in the mountains of Ararat and is some 75 miles wide.

The firmament contained the first earth which was much smaller than today's Earth. Adam's Earth had only 4 Rivers, which all ran out of the Garden of Eden and the entire FIRST firmament, which God called Heaven, was floating in the Lake. Peter tells us it was "in the water and out of the water". ll Peter 3:5 After 150 days, the firmament filled with water, it sank, and the entire Earth of Adam, and all of it's inhabitants, were destroyed in the Flood, except those in the Ark.

The Ark was covered and floated out the top of Adam's firmament into the largest Lake in the area, as the firmament sank. This explains a way for a 450 foot Ark to be above the highest mountains of Adam's world...AND....in the mountains of Ararat on the SAME 150th day after the flood began as Gen 7:24 AND Gen 8:4 tell us.

Our God is an Awesome God and His Holy Word is the Truth, in every way. It's a mystery to those who have not been born again Spiritually.

fredoheaven · Jun 7, 2016

Let me just insert this one although away from the topic on this thread but I do believe it is important. A simple definition of Science is a field of knowledge following a systematic methodology based on evidence. Somehow, the field of knowledge following a systematic methodology of understanding or interpreting the words of God is called Hermeneutics. Applying biblical hermeneutics is to recognize extreme, hypers and ultra’s wild interpretation of the words of God thus making it to none effect. Herewith is a valuable article written in Biblical perspective to properly understand God’s Word. Hope this will be a help to everyone especially PNOY friends and forum chatter.

Hermeneutics focuses on identifying and applying sound principles of biblical interpretation. While the Bible is generally plain in its meaning, proper interpretation requires careful study and is not always an easy task. Consider that the Bible was written over a period of roughly 2,000 years by 40 or more authors using three languages (Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek). The authors wrote in different genres and had different vocabularies, personalities, cultural backgrounds, and social standings. The Holy Spirit moved each of these men to produce His inspired, inerrant, and infallible Word (2 Timothy 3:16; 2 Peter 1:20–21), but He allowed their various writing styles and personalities to be expressed in its pages. It was written in a culture very different from our modern world and has been translated from its original languages. These are just some of the factors that must be taken into account as we interpret.

God desires for His people to know and understand His Word—that’s why He gave it to us and instructed fathers to teach it to their children in the home (Deuteronomy 6:4–9). However, we must keep in mind several important points.

WE NEED THE HOLY SPIRIT TO HELP US TO THINK CORRECTLY, LEST WE DISTORT THE SCRIPTURES.
First, Christians must seek the guidance of the Holy Spirit while studying the Bible. It’s not that the Bible requires any “extra-logical” or mystical insight to understand it. But we are limited in our understanding and often hindered by pride. We need the Holy Spirit to help us to think correctly, lest we distort the Scriptures (2 Peter 3:16).

Second, a person can spend his or her entire life and still never come close to mining the depths of Scripture. The Bible is written in such a marvelous way that a child can understand the basic message, and yet the most educated theologians continue to learn new things from the Bible as they study it. There is always so much more to learn, so we must humbly approach the Word of God.

Third, God has given the church learned men and gifted teachers who have devoted their lives to studying God’s Word. While these people are certainly not infallible, we shouldn’t automatically reject the work of those who have gone before us.
Finally, since the Bible consists of written data, then in order to understand it, we must follow standard rules of grammar and interpretation. We will examine these rules or principles throughout this chapter and the next, especially as they relate to Genesis.

Because people often confuse the two concepts, it must be pointed out that interpretation is different than application, although they are related. Interpretation answers the questions, “What does the text say?” and “What does the text mean?” Application follows interpretation and answers the question, “How can I apply this truth in my life today?” After all, the goal of studying the Bible is not to simply fill one’s head with information but to learn what God wants for us to know so that we can live how He wants us to live.

Bible-believing Christians generally follow a method of interpretation known as the historical-grammatical approach. That is, we try to find the plain (literal) meaning of the words based on an understanding of the historical and cultural settings in which the book was written. We then follow standard rules of grammar, according to the book’s particular genre, to arrive at an interpretation. We seek to perform careful interpretation or exegesis—that is, to “read out of” the text what the author intended it to mean. This is in contrast to eisegesis, which occurs when someone “reads into” the text his own ideas—what the reader wants the text to mean. In other words, exegesis is finding the AIM (Author’s Intended Meaning) of the passage because its true meaning is determined by the sender of the message, not the recipient.
https://answersingenesis.org/hermeneutics/how-we-interpret-the-bible-principles-for-understanding/

Seve · Jun 8, 2016

Isa 24:18-20 is like a double edge sword.... and speaking of Noah’s Flood, since this is obviously the account of the 1st Earthbeing clean dissolved in water when the windows of their heaven were opened. It's speaking of Adam's world being completely destroyed in water during the Flood.

However, it is also set up as a Snare or Trap....to catch those willingly ignorant unbelievers of this last days.

Isa 24:18 And it shall come to pass, that he who fleeth from the noise of the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that cometh up out of the midst of the pit shall be taken in the snare: for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth do shake. v19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly. v20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.

As predicted, the Scoffers of the last days will NOT believe this... that all the inhabitants thereof (except those in the Ark)... together with the 1st Earth were totally destroyed / dissolved in the flood....

2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: v6 Whereby the world (Greek-Kosmos) that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: (Greek-destroyed, totally)

These verses from the Old and New Testament confirm that Adam's world, the world that then was, was totally destroyed in the Flood..... and that the heavens and earth which are now will also be dissolved by fire.

Scoffers, of the end of time, will be "willingly ignorant" of this event which Isaiah describes. In fact, the same word ”dissolved” - is used again and kept in store to describe the upcoming prophecy of the new heaven and earth which are now, reserved for fire - and will melt and shall be “dissolved” , by its fervent heat.

2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store ("dissolved") , reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

2PE 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

RBA238 · Jun 8, 2016

Blain said:

I can explain it. First, it Took Noah and his 3 sons 100 years to build the Ark. Read the story. Noah was 500 years old when they started building the Ark and Bible tells us he was 600 years old when they finished it, and The Animals came aboard..

The Animals and Birds did not eat and food or receive themselves. Because I totally beleive God put all of them in a Deep Sleep, and woke them up when the Water receded and they could leave, etc. Another reason was the simple reason the Animals were side by side with natural prey, and that would'nt work, so he put them all in a Coma..

The Family of Noah may have been awake during the Flood ( a Guess).

Seve · Jun 9, 2016

Seve said:

Fear Readers,

Just to give us an idea (similar) what the Ancient Hebrew Conception of the Flat Universe looks like - The World of Adam...

It was totally destroyed / dissolved during Noah's Great Flood and is gone forever.... see below

Seve said:

God tells us He made a firmament or boundary of the first heaven on the 2nd Day.

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Seve said:

Genesis 1:6-8This defines heaven since God called the firmament heaven.

The firmament was empty, containing only air, since we are told in the New Testament that it was "in the water and out of the water" which indicates that it was floating in water. 2 Peter 3 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version)

God spins the water from under the firmament and brings it into the enclosure.

Gen 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place,

The water is contained in the bottom of the Biosphere.

and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

Gen 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

We know that God spun the water to bring it into the firmament because He called the waters "Seas" which in Hebrew means a roaring, the sound made when the waters were twisted in order to bring them into the Biosphere.

The dry land was placed into the firmament and was on top of the water, with the sky above. This Earth, the Earth of Adam, was FLAT. It's highest point is only about 22 1/2 feet above sea level, and the entire Earth had only 4 Rivers while the present Earth has thousands, indicating it was much smaller than our Earth.

Is there any wonder that ancient man believed the stories of a Flat Earth? Put dry land on top of water in an enclosed Biosphere and you will also find that Genesis 1:9-10 describes a Flat Earth. It's the Flat Earth of Adam which was "clean dissolved" in the waters of a Universal Flood. Isaiah 24:19

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fredoheaven · Jun 10, 2016

The earth is round.

Isah. 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

fredoheaven · Jun 10, 2016

Image by NASA Photograph of Earth by Apollo 17

fredoheaven · Jun 10, 2016

Where's the Philippines?

RBA238 · Jun 10, 2016

Where it has always been! Next question please!

49 · Jun 24, 2016

Did y'all know one of the states of the USA was mentioned in The Bible?

Noah looked out of the ark and saw.

Persuaded · Jun 24, 2016

Well, the way I see it------------

Like everything God does or instructs us to do, It was sufficient.

Sirk · Jun 25, 2016

fredoheaven said:

This is totally photo shopped. When I was a kid I had a marble that looked just like this.

The size of Noah's Ark

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