Catholic Heresy (for the record)
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I would like to add to this thread, I was a catholic at one point in my life. To make a long story short, when I was serving in the army I went to a catholic mass and the priest (not a Levite by the way) told me I was going to hell because I was not doing all the man made traditions of catholics, and that he would try to pray for me to make it to heaven. For years I was put off by that, until one day after my service ended, I was at work and I was talking to a preacher of another denomination who quoted lots of scripture to me and the Holy Spirit put me under conviction. I began reading the bible and doing lots of praying and began to realize the idolatry of the catholic church and also why they never tell you to go home and study the bible. All of a sudden I was getting answers to my questions, sometimes questions I did not even realize I had. Shortly after that I came to a knowledge of salvation and was saved while at work.
I would like to challenge everybody here when they come across a catholic (do not insult them, or write them off) to give them scripture explain to them the death, burial, and Resurrection of our dear Lord. How everybody is a sinner and we in no way can merit favor from God, that it is a gift and cannot be earned the Lord Jesus Christ paid it all, God owes us nothing. Even if they do not accept what you are saying, you will be planting a seed, which one day will be watered by the next true christian they come across, until the Holy Spirit opens their hearts and they enter into a true salvation experience.
God Bless
I would like to challenge everybody here when they come across a catholic (do not insult them, or write them off) to give them scripture explain to them the death, burial, and Resurrection of our dear Lord. How everybody is a sinner and we in no way can merit favor from God, that it is a gift and cannot be earned the Lord Jesus Christ paid it all, God owes us nothing. Even if they do not accept what you are saying, you will be planting a seed, which one day will be watered by the next true christian they come across, until the Holy Spirit opens their hearts and they enter into a true salvation experience.
God Bless
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Honor and glorify are two different things. Catholics ( I used to be one) glorify Mary, they glorify the pope, they glorify there priests, this is idolatry. I would like to give you a question to think about, If the pope and priests in catholicism are our intercessors to God, why was the veil ripped in twain when He gave up the ghost? It was to show that we all could now come to the Lord and that we no longer needed a sinful man to do it for us. Also all of our sins have been forgiven through the death, burial, and Resurrection of our dear Lord and not by our own works. Priests of the catholic church tell people to confess there sins to them, and they will bring it to God to forgive you. That is taking all credit away from the Lord Jesus Christ when he said IT IS FINISHED. We no longer have to fight a battle, it has already been won.
God Bless
God Bless
It would be kind of hard to cause pain unless you are saying she snores loud. The saints that leave this realm under the sun are asleep also described as dead asleep. Some call it soul sleep.The Catholics nemesis .They no longer have anything to do with anything that is here on earth. The kind of idea that she is still here in spirit comes from another source of faith coming from natural men, earthly inspired .This is other than that of the Spirit of Christ, the anointing Holy Spirit of God. as the same spirit of faith, according as it is written
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lol this may seem like a stupid question but how does one combat the Heresy of the catholic church by saying more heresy about a demon named mary? could you please provide proof of this statement? or is opinion? I would really like to know because as a Christian who would say catholics teach heresies I would not want to start another one.
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Heb. 4-[FONT="]14 Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has ascended into heaven,[f] Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess.[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin.[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]16 Let us then approach God’s throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.[/FONT]
The EARLY HISTORY OF THE CHURCH by Abbe Duchesne. He is naturally biased towards Roman Catholicism but portrays a relatively true, although slightly biased picture.
A History of the Early Church by Hans Leitzmann,
These are two widely recognized scholars neither of whom are evangelical, but a combination of the two gives a relatively clear picture of early church history,
The Church in the Bible and the World (ed DCarson) presents a more up to date picture.
A History of the Early Church by Hans Leitzmann,
These are two widely recognized scholars neither of whom are evangelical, but a combination of the two gives a relatively clear picture of early church history,
The Church in the Bible and the World (ed DCarson) presents a more up to date picture.
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Wow. This thread is probably more harmful than helpful, and even though the OP has suffered much pain because of Catholicism's unorthodox doctrines, we still need to show grace and patience with those who hold to other beliefs. That doesn't mean we ignore them, but there is never a good reason to ridicule or call names... Will that ever convince anyone that they're wrong? Um, no. I understand the anger and frustration, believe me.
My first thought on this is that not all Catholic churches are purely heretical. Some do teach the true Gospel mixed in with everything else... I know Catholics who seem to be genuine followers of Jesus and believe that He is the only way to salvation, but who also believe you can pray to saints and that you have to confess to a priest. I don't think those beliefs are correct, but I would stop short of calling them an outright heretic.
I agree that the teachings of the Catholic church have probably turned many away from Jesus to other non-saving rituals and prayers, and that is truly horrible. In addition, Folk Catholicism is truly far from the Truth as it is basically paganism with Christian elements. I have relatives who were and are Catholic (by name at least), and it is obvious that they are not living godly lifestyles and have actually rejected the Gospel after hearing it. I also have a friend who grew up in a Catholic church, was saved as a young adult, and continues to attend a Catholic church even though this person doesn't agree with some of the teachings. I'm not sure that's a good choice, but it's one example of a Catholic who is definitely saved, anyway.
In conclusion, let's put a little more thought into our posts here and show a little more grace with those who are on a different page.
My first thought on this is that not all Catholic churches are purely heretical. Some do teach the true Gospel mixed in with everything else... I know Catholics who seem to be genuine followers of Jesus and believe that He is the only way to salvation, but who also believe you can pray to saints and that you have to confess to a priest. I don't think those beliefs are correct, but I would stop short of calling them an outright heretic.
I agree that the teachings of the Catholic church have probably turned many away from Jesus to other non-saving rituals and prayers, and that is truly horrible. In addition, Folk Catholicism is truly far from the Truth as it is basically paganism with Christian elements. I have relatives who were and are Catholic (by name at least), and it is obvious that they are not living godly lifestyles and have actually rejected the Gospel after hearing it. I also have a friend who grew up in a Catholic church, was saved as a young adult, and continues to attend a Catholic church even though this person doesn't agree with some of the teachings. I'm not sure that's a good choice, but it's one example of a Catholic who is definitely saved, anyway.
In conclusion, let's put a little more thought into our posts here and show a little more grace with those who are on a different page.
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If the OP wants to ban me because I gave some helpful (I thought) input, that's up to him. Nothing I said was judgmental in the least. Only my first sentence was referring to the owner. The rest is referring to some of the posts following which seem potentially hurtful.
Believers are supposed to encourage each other with Scripture and Truth. That's not judgment. Everything I said was based on my love and care for people who have a Catholic background. I want them to know the Truth if they don't, and some of the comments I read here would most certainly turn me away from the Truth if I was Catholic. That's all.
The end.
Believers are supposed to encourage each other with Scripture and Truth. That's not judgment. Everything I said was based on my love and care for people who have a Catholic background. I want them to know the Truth if they don't, and some of the comments I read here would most certainly turn me away from the Truth if I was Catholic. That's all.
The end.
Regarding the promotion of Roman Catholic (or even Eastern Orthodox) doctrine, we need to make some distinctions as to what is being addressed, and if those distinctions are not maintained then things get confused. So here is the reality:
1. We have on one hand the pope, and his hierarchy of cardinals, bishops, and priests (as well as Catholic apologists). These are THE PROMOTERS of False Christianity. But they are convinced that they are the true church, and that all Protestants and non-Catholics are heretics (since they have not repudiated the Council of Trent). Recently there have been attempts to mollify non-Catholics but that is a political gambit.
2. On the other hand we have the millions of well-meaning, kind, generous, and deceived laity who may not even really know what their church believes and promotes. They are simply under the impression that there is no salvation outside of "Mother Church" and "Mother Mary". These are THE VICTIMS of false doctrine. If they are willing to hear and accept the truth, then certainly we must show them grace and patience.
3. The RCC wants all Christians to come under the umbrella of the Vatican and Rome, and to a large extent they have managed to get those who are essentially apostate to join them. We have also seen some so-called evangelicals praising the pope to high heaven and promoting fellowship with Roman Catholic clergy. Christians must repudiate all such efforts at phony "ecumenism".
4. You will never get the Catholic clergy, or even strongly committed laity, to admit that they preach another gospel and promote a False Christianity. So Catholics who wish to participate in non-Catholic forums have two choices: (a) come to learn the true Gospel and Bible truth or (b) promote Catholic nonsense.
So from what I can see in the OP, the second option is barred, but any Roman Catholic should feel welcome to participate as a "seeker" or a "learner". At the same time, non-Catholics should not personally attack any Catholic (or any Christian per se) since the whole idea is to focus on whether truth is being spoken or the lies of the Devil are being promoted.
1. We have on one hand the pope, and his hierarchy of cardinals, bishops, and priests (as well as Catholic apologists). These are THE PROMOTERS of False Christianity. But they are convinced that they are the true church, and that all Protestants and non-Catholics are heretics (since they have not repudiated the Council of Trent). Recently there have been attempts to mollify non-Catholics but that is a political gambit.
2. On the other hand we have the millions of well-meaning, kind, generous, and deceived laity who may not even really know what their church believes and promotes. They are simply under the impression that there is no salvation outside of "Mother Church" and "Mother Mary". These are THE VICTIMS of false doctrine. If they are willing to hear and accept the truth, then certainly we must show them grace and patience.
3. The RCC wants all Christians to come under the umbrella of the Vatican and Rome, and to a large extent they have managed to get those who are essentially apostate to join them. We have also seen some so-called evangelicals praising the pope to high heaven and promoting fellowship with Roman Catholic clergy. Christians must repudiate all such efforts at phony "ecumenism".
4. You will never get the Catholic clergy, or even strongly committed laity, to admit that they preach another gospel and promote a False Christianity. So Catholics who wish to participate in non-Catholic forums have two choices: (a) come to learn the true Gospel and Bible truth or (b) promote Catholic nonsense.
So from what I can see in the OP, the second option is barred, but any Roman Catholic should feel welcome to participate as a "seeker" or a "learner". At the same time, non-Catholics should not personally attack any Catholic (or any Christian per se) since the whole idea is to focus on whether truth is being spoken or the lies of the Devil are being promoted.
The thing with the Roman Catholic Church is that when the Roman Empire embraced Christianity,they did not get rid of their pagan ways,but held unto them,and it became their foundation for the most past for the interpretation of scripture.
The same as Joseph Smith,and Scientology,and Christian Science,the new age movement,and others,that have a belief that is not part of the Bible,and they interpret scripture according to their belief,which ends up interpreting the truth wrongly,and has very serious errors.
The Roman Catholic Church has some serious errors.
Jesus said anybody the does the will of God,the same is His mother,brethren,and sisters,and anybody that hears the word of God,and does it is as blessed as Mary,on the same equal level.
Jesus was saying do not exalt Mary because she gave birth to the Savior,according to the flesh,for all saints are as blessed as her.
But they call her Mother of God,and Queen of heaven.
Pagan religions have a female deity,so the Catholic Church,whose roots are pagan also do.
A man approached Jesus according to His humanity,and said,good Master,and Jesus said,why do you call Me good,there is only one good,and that is God,which the man Christ Jesus was giving glory to God,that He did good because God caused Him to do good.Had the man approached Jesus according to His deity,Jesus would of said,I am good,now go do the same.
Jesus said call no man father on earth,but your heavenly Father,which would mean calling someone father,who is operating in a spiritual sense(or they think they do),for of course you can call your earthy dad,father.
The Bible says Christ is the head of the Church.
But they call the Pope,Holy Father,a double whammy,and says he is the head of the Church,for there is bishops,but there can only be one head of the Church,and that is Christ.
No person calls Jesus,Lord,except by the Holy Ghost,but if the Catholic Church gives glory to Mary,and says she plays a part in salvation,then how are they giving sole authority to Jesus as Lord.
All their traditions,and works,that have nothing to do with salvation whatsoever,and a waste of time,like a heroin addict that cannot break free,like the Pharisees that had the people jumping through hoops of tradition,and made the word of God of none effect by their traditions.
But their roots are pagan,and like pagan religions,they incorporate works,and things that have nothing to do with salvation,which Paul was telling the Gentiles,and their religions,that their works,and what they do in their pagan religions will not find them favor with God,but only by confessing Christ.
Believe on Christ,His death,burial,and resurrection,that washes away our sins,and allow the Spirit to lead you,and love people,for that is the fulfilling of the law,and if loving people is the fulfilling of the law,what does all the things that the Catholic Church,and other denominations,have to do with any benefit spiritually.
But pagan religions like to do many works,and things,to the point of ridiculousness,and burdensome,thinking there is a spiritual benefit there.
The Roman Catholic is the same way for their roots are pagan for the most part,and the Pope and Vatican,are probably more pagan than them,but do not allow those teachings to be out and about in the Roman Catholic Church,but will introduce them slowly to the Church,as the Pope prepares to be the spiritual leader,and the Vatican the spiritual headquarters,of a unified religious system,with a false interpretation of the Bible,and any other religion they deem not compatible with the new age movement.
For there is an inner circle,and an outer circle,of the occult,and the Pope,and Vatican,would be the inner circle,which Alice Bailey wrote that the inner circle is the true Church,who was married to a Freemason who agreed with her occult interpretation of the Bible,and that is because there is an inner circle,and an outer circle of Freemasonry,as well as all occult groups,and why secret societies are secret,for they are too extreme for the masses in their beliefs,so the outer circle works on them with a lighter version of things of the occult,and pagan ways,and when the world gets to the beast kingdom the outer circle has become the inner circle,and the beast kingdom can be implemented.
But many Catholics will not follow the Pope,and the Vatican,when they make big changes,and hopefully they will not hold unto what they have been taught,but forget the new things the Pope brings out,but abandons them altogether,and get rid of that pagan works Roman Catholic Church,in their current beliefs.
But many Catholics are not looking at it that way as of right now,and to them it is innocent,for they go to Church,and then go home,and enjoy their life,and nothing seems amiss,or eerie to them,but it is.
So I do not want to belittle Catholics,for they love God,but they do not understand the wickedness of the Pope,and Vatican,and the inner circle using the outer circle to influence them with a lighter practice of the inner circle,so it is not too offensive to the masses,but still gets the ball rolling so that they will get more caught up in it.
Like many new age movement people that believe the New Age Christ will be white magic,but turn to black magic when he has a taste of power,but this is the outer circle,but the inner circle believes homeboy is going to be black magic the whole time,but is deceiving the world by false peace to trap them to come together.
Since the Roman Empire has the dominion until God puts the world down,and the Roman Catholic Church has its roots in paganism for the most part,the Pope,and the Vatican,will have a role in the future falling away of the world when they will not endure the truth of the Bible,but according to their own lusts.
The same as Joseph Smith,and Scientology,and Christian Science,the new age movement,and others,that have a belief that is not part of the Bible,and they interpret scripture according to their belief,which ends up interpreting the truth wrongly,and has very serious errors.
The Roman Catholic Church has some serious errors.
Jesus said anybody the does the will of God,the same is His mother,brethren,and sisters,and anybody that hears the word of God,and does it is as blessed as Mary,on the same equal level.
Jesus was saying do not exalt Mary because she gave birth to the Savior,according to the flesh,for all saints are as blessed as her.
But they call her Mother of God,and Queen of heaven.
Pagan religions have a female deity,so the Catholic Church,whose roots are pagan also do.
A man approached Jesus according to His humanity,and said,good Master,and Jesus said,why do you call Me good,there is only one good,and that is God,which the man Christ Jesus was giving glory to God,that He did good because God caused Him to do good.Had the man approached Jesus according to His deity,Jesus would of said,I am good,now go do the same.
Jesus said call no man father on earth,but your heavenly Father,which would mean calling someone father,who is operating in a spiritual sense(or they think they do),for of course you can call your earthy dad,father.
The Bible says Christ is the head of the Church.
But they call the Pope,Holy Father,a double whammy,and says he is the head of the Church,for there is bishops,but there can only be one head of the Church,and that is Christ.
No person calls Jesus,Lord,except by the Holy Ghost,but if the Catholic Church gives glory to Mary,and says she plays a part in salvation,then how are they giving sole authority to Jesus as Lord.
All their traditions,and works,that have nothing to do with salvation whatsoever,and a waste of time,like a heroin addict that cannot break free,like the Pharisees that had the people jumping through hoops of tradition,and made the word of God of none effect by their traditions.
But their roots are pagan,and like pagan religions,they incorporate works,and things that have nothing to do with salvation,which Paul was telling the Gentiles,and their religions,that their works,and what they do in their pagan religions will not find them favor with God,but only by confessing Christ.
Believe on Christ,His death,burial,and resurrection,that washes away our sins,and allow the Spirit to lead you,and love people,for that is the fulfilling of the law,and if loving people is the fulfilling of the law,what does all the things that the Catholic Church,and other denominations,have to do with any benefit spiritually.
But pagan religions like to do many works,and things,to the point of ridiculousness,and burdensome,thinking there is a spiritual benefit there.
The Roman Catholic is the same way for their roots are pagan for the most part,and the Pope and Vatican,are probably more pagan than them,but do not allow those teachings to be out and about in the Roman Catholic Church,but will introduce them slowly to the Church,as the Pope prepares to be the spiritual leader,and the Vatican the spiritual headquarters,of a unified religious system,with a false interpretation of the Bible,and any other religion they deem not compatible with the new age movement.
For there is an inner circle,and an outer circle,of the occult,and the Pope,and Vatican,would be the inner circle,which Alice Bailey wrote that the inner circle is the true Church,who was married to a Freemason who agreed with her occult interpretation of the Bible,and that is because there is an inner circle,and an outer circle of Freemasonry,as well as all occult groups,and why secret societies are secret,for they are too extreme for the masses in their beliefs,so the outer circle works on them with a lighter version of things of the occult,and pagan ways,and when the world gets to the beast kingdom the outer circle has become the inner circle,and the beast kingdom can be implemented.
But many Catholics will not follow the Pope,and the Vatican,when they make big changes,and hopefully they will not hold unto what they have been taught,but forget the new things the Pope brings out,but abandons them altogether,and get rid of that pagan works Roman Catholic Church,in their current beliefs.
But many Catholics are not looking at it that way as of right now,and to them it is innocent,for they go to Church,and then go home,and enjoy their life,and nothing seems amiss,or eerie to them,but it is.
So I do not want to belittle Catholics,for they love God,but they do not understand the wickedness of the Pope,and Vatican,and the inner circle using the outer circle to influence them with a lighter practice of the inner circle,so it is not too offensive to the masses,but still gets the ball rolling so that they will get more caught up in it.
Like many new age movement people that believe the New Age Christ will be white magic,but turn to black magic when he has a taste of power,but this is the outer circle,but the inner circle believes homeboy is going to be black magic the whole time,but is deceiving the world by false peace to trap them to come together.
Since the Roman Empire has the dominion until God puts the world down,and the Roman Catholic Church has its roots in paganism for the most part,the Pope,and the Vatican,will have a role in the future falling away of the world when they will not endure the truth of the Bible,but according to their own lusts.
the most unloving thing we can do is If we not warn a group of people walking oN the way to hell.
Catholic pray to Mary. It is not real Mary, It is demon pretend to be Mary. Catholic is the main tool of the Lucifer to create one world government. If any catholic genuine follower of Jesus, they must leave and not be partaker of the devil agenda.
I think what you do is not loving them by tell them that It is possible to be catholic and Jesus follower.
that mislead them and unloving
Catholic pray to Mary. It is not real Mary, It is demon pretend to be Mary. Catholic is the main tool of the Lucifer to create one world government. If any catholic genuine follower of Jesus, they must leave and not be partaker of the devil agenda.
I think what you do is not loving them by tell them that It is possible to be catholic and Jesus follower.
that mislead them and unloving
According Dr Alberto Rivera, catholic not embraced christianity et all.
Rome try to get Rid christianity by force but Fail, than Constantine mislead them, He make false Christian to be a state religion to atract Christian to be pagan in disguise. Look like Christian but pagan. His cuning work very well.
Rome try to get Rid christianity by force but Fail, than Constantine mislead them, He make false Christian to be a state religion to atract Christian to be pagan in disguise. Look like Christian but pagan. His cuning work very well.