The Holy Spirit convicts of sin

[eternally-gratefull]

so, if you are not walking in the Sprit 24-7-365, then you are not really saved. so, that puts your salvation on you. see how that works??

instead of worrying constantly about if your are doing enough good to be saved, try accepting that you are saved, and then do the good works that God prepared for you to do.

If we are too focused on how good wwe are doing, when do we have time to do the good God wants us to do? Our focus is continually on self (which is carnality by the way) and never on the other peopel we are supposed to focus on..

We may have a form of godliness, But its power will never show through.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

We are in the world, not of the world.

Which means we are not the world..

Thank you sis.

Being in it, and being a part of it are two different things.

 

[gb9]

If we are too focused on how good wwe are doing, when do we have time to do the good God wants us to do? Our focus is continually on self (which is carnality by the way) and never on the other peopel we are supposed to focus on..

We may have a form of godliness, But its power will never show through.

exactly. hopefully, praying so, that this will penetrate the mind of some, and make sense, because it is true.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Hey everyone, Just had a read through and again it's another battle over grace vs sin.. One thing I cannot understand is why why why are you so "sin" focused? It's almost like some of u love to preach chastisement.. Love to preach about the father being a harsh task master.. Love to preach sin sin sin.. I mean why ? We are either dead to sin and alive to God in Christ or we are not? We are either born anew into Christ with the gift of his righteousness or we are still the sons of disobedience? Can we be half sin by nature and half Jesus by nature or is it one or the other? What else could we with our righteousness ad filthy rags possibly "do"?

Ya know if you have a mindset that says u must u must u must then you will definetly have a spirit of criticsm towards others.. I used to more than anyone on here.. If we have the revelation of his righteousness the the spirit of humility is visible.. I pray each one of us on this thread will know the truth that sets them free.. Bless u all xx

It wasn't about grace/sin. You just tried to turn it into that.

 

[Grace777x70]

No.. I'm not trying to teach or correct you.. Read the message in the spirit it is written in.. I asked questions.. I didn't force my view which is what you do.. The spirit of Christ is love... Who are u to say someone isn't a believer ? That's crazy! And dangerous... You sound as though u very much have it all together and no one else has a clue.. If u read back u will see that no one else has been so directive and abusive as u have Peter

We may need to stay away from some people as much as possible in some circumstances. It's unfortunate but sometimes necessary as it can lead us all into strife, bitterness, malice and confusion. Remember " God has an astounding opinion of you".....

 

[PeterJens]

I am not surprised at the spiritual reality of the people here.

Imagine you built your whole theological language on a set of ideas, but which are completely flawed.
You are never going to admit the gaping hole in the middle, just keep on going and talking as if you have everything
sorted out.

What stops people doing this is normally their own consciences. But if they do not actually have one then there is nothing to stop them just carrying on until something outside actually stops them, literally.

Jesus called people who behaved like this hypocrites. And what stops everyone becoming one is by repentance, confession and honesty. It is obvious to me this is not core to your belief system, which is why it is not christian.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

EG - this thread proves I am right about hyper-grace and am not lying. Will you admit this or are you just a hypocrite lost in your own self justifications. I have my integrity, honesty and openness, but you are a twisted individual with a simple agenda, 100% convinced of your calling and mission. This is what I call pride, to the heights, where you believe you know and are untouchable.

Your an arrogant person Peter. You show no signs you are a follower of Christ, And if you are a follower of Christ, and one of his children. You certainly do not act like it.

Do you HONESTLY think that when you come after ANYONE in this type of demeaning, attacking, prideful, all knowing, self righteous tone, they are going to hear one word you say?

even if you were right, the truth you would have tried to share was hidden with all the hate the arrogance, the nonsense, So that no one will hear a word of truth you said,

I tried to show you this along long time ago. You got mad, Your still mad, and all you do every time you try to even say a word to me is prove your so focused on yourself. that you have made a war against me that is not there.

I know this does not end nicely for you, because your faith is built on sand.

No my faith is built on Christ

Your faith is built on self. which is worse than sand..

But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.
Matt 7:26-27

Then why are you not doing what he does? Why are you speaking out of hate, and pride, and self righteousness, and not out of Love peter? You attack everyone who does not agree with you, I see already a few posts before this one that I will post that you have already made another one of our sisters angry, because you attacked her.

And you call yourself a man of God?

I know what these words mean and their reality when people fall apart. You will survive for a time lying to yourself, but in the end judgement will fall by the reality of your foundations washing away.

You know nothing about me,, You cant even tell a new person what my faiht is in, or what I believe, you continually get it wrong.

So your the last person on earth who should be judging anyone, Namely me, You can not judge what you do not know..


You know what is amazing, You just destroyed you own op.. I can;t even remember what we qere talking about. because all I just saw was a HATE charged attack on someone..

PS.. I see no even resemblance that you proved "hypergrace" is a lie, all I am witnessing is a difference of semantics.. different use of words.

You say God convicts, They (we) say he chastens..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It wasn't about grace/sin. You just tried to turn it into that.

so conviction of sin, vs chastening of sin is not about grace and sin?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

OK, what was a good thread has been taken over by the grace-only crowd to push their agenda. You can start other threads for that. The discussion is the holy spirit convicts of sin. Why don't we stick to it?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I am not surprised at the spiritual reality of the people here.

Imagine you built your whole theological language on a set of ideas, but which are completely flawed.
You are never going to admit the gaping hole in the middle, just keep on going and talking as if you have everything
sorted out.

What stops people doing this is normally their own consciences. But if they do not actually have one then there is nothing to stop them just carrying on until something outside actually stops them, literally.

Jesus called people who behaved like this hypocrites. And what stops everyone becoming one is by repentance, confession and honesty. It is obvious to me this is not core to your belief system, which is why it is not christian.

Jesus called pharisees hypocrites.

People who walk around telling everyone how righteous and holy they are

He did not call sinners who understood they were sinners, kneeling at the throne of grace hypocrites..

you need to start studying the word some my friend, it would do you some good.. toi look at it from a fresh start. without preconcieved notions of what it says,

It sure helped me.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

OK, what was a good thread has been taken over by the grace-only crowd to push their agenda. You can start other threads for that. The discussion is the holy spirit convicts of sin. Why don't we stick to it?

How can we when we are being attacked just for who we are?

The OP destroyed his own thread with attacks..

 

[PeterJens]

No.. I'm not trying to teach or correct you.. Read the message in the spirit it is written in.. I asked questions.. I didn't force my view which is what you do.. The spirit of Christ is love... Who are u to say someone isn't a believer ? That's crazy! And dangerous... You sound as though u very much have it all together and no one else has a clue.. If u read back u will see that no one else has been so directive and abusive as u have Peter

This is rebellion and sin. Calling a believer a liar is accusing them of sinning. It is a sin which excludes people from heaven.

You do not understand or acknowledge the seriousness of either the sin or and accusation. I have been called to repent of something that is simply not true.

You said to me it is not our ministry or role to correct others of sin. This is heresy, pure and simple.
If you want to be in rebellion against Christ, and His word this testifies against you. Where on earth did you get the idea rebellion is acceptable in His Kingdom.

The spirit of your movement sounds 100% not of Christ if this simple spiritual reality is not part of your DNA.
There is no gentle way of talking about sin or heresy. It is obvious to me and follower of Jesus is this all means nothing to you, except it is evil to say these words because of the impact of them.

Follow this spirit to its logical conclusion, it is evil for God to judge the world because of sin. That are 100% the words of the enemy.

 

[Grace777x70]

I think there is more then enough posts already been given out on the role of the Holy Spirit for anyone who is being prompted by the Lord in learning about this area.

There have been articles and videos and lot's of posts on the meanings of biblical terms so viewers can decide for themselves what the Lord is showing them for their own walk with Himself.

Hebrews 12:15 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] See to it that no one comes short of the grace of God; that no root of bitterness springing up causes trouble, and by it many be defiled;


Ephesians 4:31-32 (NASB)
[SUP]31 [/SUP] Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice.

[SUP]32 [/SUP] Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This is rebellion and sin. Calling a believer a liar is accusing them of sinning. It is a sin which excludes people from heaven.

You do not understand or acknowledge the seriousness of either the sin or and accusation. I have been called to repent of something that is simply not true.

You said to me it is not our ministry or role to correct others of sin. This is heresy, pure and simple.
If you want to be in rebellion against Christ, and His word this testifies against you. Where on earth did you get the idea rebellion is acceptable in His Kingdom.

The spirit of your movement sounds 100% not of Christ if this simple spiritual reality is not part of your DNA.
There is no gentle way of talking about sin or heresy. It is obvious to me and follower of Jesus is this all means nothing to you, except it is evil to say these words because of the impact of them.

Follow this spirit to its logical conclusion, it is evil for God to judge the world because of sin. That are 100% the words of the enemy.

seriously.. All she did was ask a few questions, and now you are attacking her? When will it end Peter??

 

[PeterJens]

There are some simple spiritual principles you who call yourself christians yet have ignored repentance.

You are demonstrating truth no longer matters, or trying to put another another down, and then being shown up as wrong.
God is no longer your highest authority but your own understanding and teaching.

The cornerstone of the cross is sin and conviction of sin. There is no salvation without it.
I am not being arrogant or proud, boastful, or something to be torn down by preaching this, it is the gospel and life reality.

Though you started walking with Jesus, you are not their now, if you cannot bow with me before His testimony and His words. Lying is sin. Accusing a brother who is speaking the truth of lying is sin. If this means nothing to you, you have left the fellowship of believers. Upon these principles of integrity, the fact that scripture is the honest testimony of believers over thousands of years is our faith.

Every believer comes here in the belief they trust Gods word and He is not lying. So to accuse another of such a thing, and to attempt to demolish him etc. is spiritual suicide unless you have a good foundation and reason to say it.

"I am the way, the truth and the life, no man comes to the Father but by me"

God will let you carry on and reap the harvest you have sown. But the testimony of the saints stands to eternity.
And I know for many, you are impervious to the word, because you have created your own version.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

is no salvation without it.[/B]

read your own thread.

Every person who posted in here would agree with this statement.

what the difference is opinion is, what happens AFTER one is saved.

But thats right, I forgot. Some people think salvation is not secured yet, So they are still "Being saved" and thus are in reality not "saved" yet

And hence, the heart of the discussion

again grace vs works.. same story different day.

 

[PeterJens]

Quenching the Spirit

If I was convicted of lying by the Spirit, I would repent and feel bad, very bad. Not because someone had told me, but because I had betrayed my Lord.

Let your "yes" be "yes" and your "no" be "no".

I now understand why Jesus said what appeared contradictatory things. Though he came not to bend or break the spirit of people, he came to show sin for what it was, and to offer love and hope through faith in Him and walking in righteousness.

If people cannot any longer stand by any principles or hold to righteousness, then this is just appeasing hurt feelings, the running away into the spiritual bubble of praise songs and wishful thinking. There are some who have actually said this is ok because it makes them feel good even when they have lost faith in God.

Maybe a reality check is on how many here still have good relationships with their children. This often testifies better to their grip on reality and what really matters and not this wishy washy version of faith they cling on to.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Getting back to the OP. Peter clearly showed that the accusations against him that he was falsely accusing hyper grace teachers of teaching that the holy spirit does not convict believers of their sins were, in fact, false accusations against him. #12 in the comments below shows this.

Hyper-grace general beliefs though people vary in degrees

12. The Holy Spirit and your conscience do not convict of sin, that is the enemy
...
12 appears to have been withdrawn by some..

12 has got to be one of the most rediculous things i have ever heard, Especially since the bible points out clearly the HS convicts of sin righteousness and judgment..

...
these things have been denied, Explained that they are not true, by people in here who follow those teachings, And by quotes posted from hypergrace teachers themselves (instead of the slander taken off internet sites)

You people want to follow what other say someone believes and teaches, and not try to understand the people themselves. You have no one to blame but yourself when you are accused of slandering other people.

That is why there is so much fighting, When you think you are perfect. and you know everyone else no matter what, YOU SAY THINGS WHICH ARE NOT TRUE

So Peter has been completely vindicated in what he said. It time for the false accusers to step up to the plate, admit they were wrong and apologize.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Getting back to the OP. Peter clearly showed that the accusations against him that he was falsely accusing hyper grace teachers of teaching that the holy spirit does not convict believers of their sins were, in fact, false accusations against him. #12 in the comments below shows this.
So Peter has been completely vindicated in what he said. It time for the false accusers to step up to the plate, admit they were wrong and apologize.

So let show what a true man of God does.

Peter said some people say they are not CONVICTED (using that word) by the HS of sin.

In this case, Peter is right, I apologize, and I was wrong .

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

So let show what a true man of God does.

Peter said some people say they are not CONVICTED (using that word) by the HS of sin.

In this case, Peter is right, I apologize, and I was wrong .

Thank you. I think that the other hyper grace believers need to step up and apologize, too, for not speaking out and correcting the false accusation. Especially Grace777x70.