The Holy Spirit convicts of sin

[JennaLeanne]

I'm outta here... It's like tryna run the London marathon on a treadmill.. Exhausting but getting nowhere.. (shows that i am no longer being directed by the spirit but the flesh) a bunch of us (myself included) tryna make our points valid.. Where there is pride there's hardness of heart.. We know we are operating in pride when we get angry at a person for not agreeing what we think is right! I'll leave ya with these beauties.. 1 corinthians 1:27;For God selected (deliberately chose) what in the world is foolish to put the wise to shame, and what the world calls weak to put the strong to shame.

John 5:39 You search and investigate and pore over the scripture diligently, because you suppose and trust that you have eternal life through them. And these very scriptures testify about me.

And Peter my dear brother I accept your apology.. Grace and peace to you in Jesus name.. The name that is above all names.. The source of life both now and hereafter.. xx

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Why do adopt such a condescending tone? Is it to avoid having to confront the truth of what I said and admit that you are wrong?

another one who fails to see his own failings. and always blames everyone else.

 

[Ariel82]

Why do adopt such a condescending tone? Is it to avoid having to confront the truth of what I said and admit that you are wrong?

Lol seriously when has claiming to be a baby considered condescending?
Fine you want me to address your "points" you want an honest heart felt answer?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Lol seriously when has claiming to be a baby considered condescending?
Fine you want me to address your "points" you want an honest heart felt answer?

That's all I ever want. What I definitely don't want is someone trying to marginalize me by comparing me to a 5-year old.

 

[PeterJens]

When is peter ever going to apologize to me for all the lies he has said about my belief, and to all the others he has slandered over th epast few months?

Eg - You proposal is I have miss-represented people. Let me put this into context. To understand a position you repeat it back to the person or persons in question in different words so they understand what have understood.

Now with variations it is always possible to put the emphasis is a different place and mean what the person is saying but in a context they do not like. This is what you appear to be regarding as a twist or slander. What you are really saying is emotionally you do not like the meaning of the context, and it upsets you.

The response is to clarify the understanding. To just say it is slander or a lie or an insult does not actually answer the point or even explain it. Now I will intentionally be provocative, because that is how you see how close some things become heresy, wrong, distorted, extreme, though painted is pure, innocent, and nice.

I thought we were mature adults here who knew how to handle life and the word of God.

A simple story. A muslim says you will die. Why? Because you blasphemed our prophet. How? You said he was not as important as Jesus. Oh. But that is murder. No it is not murder, because if to talk anything against the prophet or the Koran that is blasphemy. And the punishment for blasphemy is death.

Now I have talked to people like this for 4 years. Ideas matter and how you link them. Peoples lives hang on them literally.
So when you say sin is nothing, Jesus washed it away, do what you want except Gods goodness with turn you to righteousness, sounds like total junk. Idealistic, spoilt brat junk.

If you want to be taken seriously, you have to be a lot more robust than this or you do not really have a faith at all.
If one of these nutcase muslims held a knife to your throat, what would you say to, are you a follower of Jesus?

 

[Ariel82]

No, that's not what happened at all. Review the history. Peter was accused of falsely saying that hyper grace teaches that the holy spirit does not convict believers of their sins. He provided a quote from a popular hyper grace teacher that proved that accusation to be false. Now the accuser wants to accuse Peter of wrongdoing because he didn't embrace hyper grace's view on the matter.

When I read your statement this is what I see...
1. No you are wrong...listen to MY version of the story God.
2. Repeat of the misunderstanding about the word convict, which by the way is the BIRDS in my analogy.
3. States your version of what happens.
4. Makes your own false accusation because you refuse to stop thrusting birds at rape victims


How do you think God will respond?

 

[Ariel82]

False accusations "
He provided a quote from a popular hyper grace teacher that proved that accusation to be false. Now the accuser wants to accuse Peter of wrongdoing because he didn't embrace hyper grace's view on the matter."

1. Peter didn't prove anything except that hyper grace folks hate the word convict and he never asks why they hate those birds.

2. They don't want him to accept hyper grace, just for him to stop shoving birds in their face.

 

[Budman]

That's all I ever want. What I definitely don't want is someone trying to marginalize me by comparing me to a 5-year old.

Goodness knows your prideful spirit won't allow you to be marginalized.

 

[Ariel82]

That's all I ever want. What I definitely don't want is someone trying to marginalize me by comparing me to a 5-year old.

Oh you misunderstood me, I was calling myself the five year old...no clue how old you are spiritually..,gonna have to ask God that one.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

When I read your statement this is what I see...
1. No you are wrong...listen to MY version of the story God.
2. Repeat of the misunderstanding about the word convict, which by the way is the BIRDS in my analogy.
3. States your version of what happens.
4. Makes your own false accusation because you refuse to stop thrusting birds at rape victims


How do you think God will respond?

Well GOD's certainly not going to follow your understanding of what happened, because it's your perception. I provided a clear chain of events that you are ignoring. Whether that's due to inability, insecurity, or whatever, I don't know.

 

[Ariel82]

Goodness knows your prideful spirit won't allow you to be marginalized.

It seems that you like poking at folks but seriously, have you had enough fun yet?

I,haven't said anything previously cause we don't know each other and I am not sure I wanted to make contact.

 

[Budman]

Well GOD's certainly not going to follow your understanding of what happened, because it's your perception. I provided a clear chain of events that you are ignoring. Whether that's due to inability, insecurity, or whatever, I don't know.

Wow, HRFTD. Why not just call her stupid and get it over with?

 

[Budman]

It seems that you like poking at folks but seriously, have you had enough fun yet?

Almost.

 

[Ariel82]

Almost.

Someone is gonna slap your hand or punch you in the face for poking them and I don't want to hear any complaints when it happens.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I'm beginning to understand what this is all about. Many don't like sin exposed out of fear that their sin will be exposed. This seems to be the silent paradigm that rules much of the church. Honor among thieves - don't talk about my sin, and I won't talk about yours.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Eg - You proposal is I have miss-represented people. Let me put this into context. To understand a position you repeat it back to the person or persons in question in different words so they understand what have understood.

Now with variations it is always possible to put the emphasis is a different place and mean what the person is saying but in a context they do not like. This is what you appear to be regarding as a twist or slander. What you are really saying is emotionally you do not like the meaning of the context, and it upsets you.

The response is to clarify the understanding. To just say it is slander or a lie or an insult does not actually answer the point or even explain it. Now I will intentionally be provocative, because that is how you see how close some things become heresy, wrong, distorted, extreme, though painted is pure, innocent, and nice.

I thought we were mature adults here who knew how to handle life and the word of God.

A simple story. A muslim says you will die. Why? Because you blasphemed our prophet. How? You said he was not as important as Jesus. Oh. But that is murder. No it is not murder, because if to talk anything against the prophet or the Koran that is blasphemy. And the punishment for blasphemy is death.

Now I have talked to people like this for 4 years. Ideas matter and how you link them. Peoples lives hang on them literally.
So when you say sin is nothing, Jesus washed it away, do what you want except Gods goodness with turn you to righteousness, sounds like total junk. Idealistic, spoilt brat junk.

If you want to be taken seriously, you have to be a lot more robust than this or you do not really have a faith at all.
If one of these nutcase muslims held a knife to your throat, what would you say to, are you a follower of Jesus?

Peter time and time again you have come at me and others, with the statement.

"I (peter) KNow what you believe" Or "I Peter Know where you are coming from"

Then we, come back, and say, no peter, I do not believe this, nor have I ever stated or preached this.

Yet your response has for the most part been basically, No,, your wrong, I (peter) am right (ie you know us better than we know ourselves) or you come off in defense mode, and start to attack us saying things whihc have no base value to what was origionally being discussed (like you do to me all the time)

you demand we ask forgiveness, Well I have a few times, when I have proven wrong, When will you ever do the same things?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Well GOD's certainly not going to follow your understanding of what happened, because it's your perception. I provided a clear chain of events that you are ignoring. Whether that's due to inability, insecurity, or whatever, I don't know.

and you wonder why people treat you like they do.

 

[PeterJens]

Lol seriously when has claiming to be a baby considered condescending?
Fine you want me to address your "points" you want an honest heart felt answer?

What I believe is quite simple, EG knows it because I declare it all the time.
EG hates clarifying his beliefs.

One member said we almost believe the same things except OSAS.
EG appears to not be WOF or health and wealth, but does support some of hyper-grace.

Other members of the group are different. But if they declared all their true positions they would no longer be a group with this apparent united front.

Ben for instance is a great supporter of all future sins are forgiven, and explained his theories about how sin is forgiven as you do them. What I have discovered is just like here they are very reluctant to say their faith.

What is easier and simpler is to address to op. It appears everyone believe the Holy Spirit does convict of sin.

So Amen, we agree.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I'm beginning to understand what this is all about. Many don't like sin exposed out of fear that their sin will be exposed. This seems to be the silent paradigm that rules much of the church. Honor among thieves - don't talk about my sin, and I won't talk about yours.

yet once again.

Go to a mirror. Hold your computer up to it, and read the words you just posted.

Because they just as easily are factual about yourself..

 

[gb9]

Well GOD's certainly not going to follow your understanding of what happened, because it's your perception. I provided a clear chain of events that you are ignoring. Whether that's due to inability, insecurity, or whatever, I don't know.

let me make this very simple : if someone says that a person or a group of people says a certain thing, and the thing was never said, or was not said by the group, then the person making that claim is a liar.

so when a person says " hyper grace people say this, or don't say that, " and it was referring to what one individual said, not a group, then that statement is a lie, because the group did not say it.