Breaking News of Active Shooter

[Depleted]

Weird, how come it works like that in the US and so few other places in the world?

Because we're a country run by lawyers maybe? Here a trial isn't about truth, it's about legal evidence. And since lawyers who become politicians forgot about truth decades ago, they create law based on statistics, not common sense.

For instances, guns. Common sense says when you make guns illegal the only people who don't have guns are the people trying to follow the laws in the first place. So, guess who has the guns.

 

[Depleted]

Hmm, maybe.
... but so many of them kill themselves in the end anyway.

praying for the people involved

I wish the people who did murder-suicides would get it in the right order. Go for suicide first, then murder.

 

[Depleted]

These evil men who shoot innocent people are cowards.
They choose "soft" targets, those with least resistance.
They want to inflict the greatest damage as posible with the least resistance.
When was the last time that a place or person that was armed was attacked?

Might just be me, but even if I am armed, I still don't want to be attacked. And, assuming I didn't attack first, even if armed, I'm still innocent -- merely a better shot and innocent.

Oh, in answer to your question -- when? Our embassy in Benghazi, four years ago.

 

[Depleted]

I thought all (well most) places were "armed" in the US, with all of it's citizens insisting on having guns (including lunatics like this guy)

I worked in a factory on the border of the most dangerous ghetto in Philadelphia. Across the street from the factory were the heroin dealers. We knew they sold heroin. The neighbors knew they sold heroin. Obviously the customers knew they sold heroin, and yet the cops only came every other week when there was a gunfight.

It really did average to every other week, and, apparently, drug dealers are the worst shots of anyone in the world, because of all the variety of guns used, and the number of times they were used, (from 9-5, the record was nine shots -- three from a 36 and 6 from a 9mm.), they never hit one single person. They did, however, put holes in the ceiling of the factory's second floor.

I do not carry. The only gun I've ever bought shot water. (Water pistol, strictly for water fights, since I do know "air guns" can kill squirrels, so maybe there is a dangerous water gun I don't know about. lol) There were 38 employees in that factory and four family members/owners. Most of the factory workers lived in that neighborhood but still didn't own guns. (I suspect you didn't want to mess with them because they carried switchblades, but you still don't want to take a switchblade to a gunfight.) Four of the employees worked in the office. (I was the bookkeeper.) Two bosses/owners had guns and two of the office workers had guns. (That's why I know what kind of guns were used for that one battle. I heard nine boom, boom, booms. The gun toters heard two different kinds of guns.)

The US is real fierce about our second amendment. ("The right to bear arms" amendment.) I'm one who is. Doesn't mean I want one. I wouldn't even touch my college roommate's gun when he offered to let me look at it. (He was a state trooper, and fiancee to my other college roommate.) But I grew up on squirrel, rabbit, duck, etc. because I come from a family of hunters. That's not why I'm pro Second Amendment. I'm for that amendment because one day we might just have to rise up against the government, and the only way to do that is revolution. We're fiercely independent, and plan to stay that way.

I suspect that only about 20% of us own guns. It's just most of us are for guns!

 

[Depleted]

After the shooting in California I listened to a police official on one of the news shows. He said that in active shooter situations,most of the killing happens within ten minutes once the shooter starts. He said " we cannot respond in that amount of time,people need to learn how to protect themselves." Banning guns will not take them away from criminals. Stricter guns laws only affect law abiding citizens.

I can't hit the broadside of a barn with a baseball at 15 feet away. (That is not a cliche. I tried and missed. lol) I would be more dangerous with a gun than without one. But, even without one, I absolutely know, because I've been in dangerous situations, that I would use my brains, my body size, and my knees for maximum damage. (Brains tells me when to go for it and when to hide.) I'm also exceedingly accurate with my knees and fists, always going for the same spot. (No idea what to do if the bad guy was a gal.) I can defend. I'm just not willing to offend. I will not shoot a gun because it is likely I would miss.

I think the cop is wrong, because most people aren't as accurate as cops.

 

[Depleted]

I don't know the stats on that but local news in the area are saying the man had Arabic writings in his car. Unsure if this is true or what they mean by that. If this is another Muslim situation I can see there is going to be a backlash against Muslims. People are tired of the pc foolishness.

I don't remember the numbers exactly, but violent crime isn't mostly done by Muslims. And I'd say more but we have been properly trained on what we can and cannot say without being called "racist."

 

[Depleted]

I don't know where you got that information, but it is wrong.
The wild west is gone. Very few public places or work places have armed security.
As for the Orlando shooter, he was confronted by an armed security guard (off duty police officer) shots were exchanged but neither were hit and the shooter then entered the club.
My concern is that a trained police officer was not accurate with his gun.
Why? This question should be answered. Why did he miss?
Just because police are present does not guarantee this will not happen again.

Come visit Philly. Many of our businesses do have armed guards. Even the nursing home John's in has cops as guards at the front door. Not off-duty cops. Working cops. Are we the Wild East?

 

[Depleted]

We have the most gun control and least problems with shootings, one massacre was enough for us to do something about it, haven't had one since.

What did you do about it? (We could use sanity lessons.)

 

[HoneyDew]

I am for people owning guns and the right to defend themselves within the compounds of the law.

It's just that I have seen people be irresponsible with guns. Folks pulling out guns, that have gotten them legally, just because you are angry. I mean really? I have read/heard stories of people playing police officer and shooting at unarmed individuals. Just to many irresponsible people getting them and not showing restraint, that is what bothers me. Hot heads with guns.

I'm not sure how stricter gun laws can hurt people who already own them, I'm thinking maybe it can help weed out the psychos/crazies who are trying to get them legally. I'm not sure if there is anything they can do about people who obtain them illegally.

 

[Depleted]

No. it is aganist the law to carry without a permit.
While many of us own guns, very few have a permit to carry. Whether or not I or my wife have a permit, it is none of your business.
We use our guns to hunt or for target practice or for home protection.
Now if some one comes to our home with evil on their mind, they will be confronted.

If someone comes to my home with evil on their mind, they are confronted by raw, easily agitated, 179 pound woman who knows how to use her knee.

 

[Willie-T]

Theres many things I dont understand in that nation. I just think when all have a gun that, as you dont wanna be shot , you might not give into the temptation as much otherwise when not so many have one

That makes perfect sense. If a shooter knows he is going to have, possibly, thirty people shooting back at him, at the same time, I imagine he will think twice.

 

[Messy]

I live in a state with some of the weakest gun control laws (supposedly, I dont really keep up with them), and I have met an entire one person who carried a gun with them at all times : p Most people dont just have guns with them all the time : p

You mean to say... you guys are not cowboys?

 

[Willie-T]

I don't remember the numbers exactly, but violent crime isn't mostly done by Muslims. And I'd say more but we have been properly trained on what we can and cannot say without being called "racist."

Uh..... that's right now. Give it a few years. Besides, who, in the United States, throngs to convert become Muslim? Trust me, it ain't because they are so righteous. LOL

 

[Messy]

Not really. Muggers tend not to mug on quiet country roads. They tend to mug where people come along.

Wouldn't make more sense to stop blaming guns, and instead, blame the obvious? Why are insane people allowed to decide if they need mental health help? And yet, in the US they cannot be committed unless they want to be. Conundrum. The first proof of insanity is being sure you aren't insane.

One thing most of the mass shooters in the US have in common are THEY'RE INSANE!

In Holland guns are mostly forbidden. Some can get lessons and a license for sports. We had a shooting once from an insane guy and since then it's forbidden to get a weapon when you have a mental illness. But I don't think such a law would work in America. Even if they would forbid all guns, people who have a few can just hide them. It's impossible to check that.

 

[Demi777]

Someone who wants a gun will get a gun no matter what and no matter where.

 

[Depleted]

That makes perfect sense. If a shooter knows he is going to have, possibly, thirty people shooting back at him, at the same time, I imagine he will think twice.

It certainly has trained me not to give the one-finger-salute to idiot drivers.

 

[Depleted]

You mean to say... you guys are not cowboys?

Never even owned a Stetson when Stetson had their factory in Philly.

 

[Depleted]

In Holland guns are mostly forbidden. Some can get lessons and a license for sports. We had a shooting once from an insane guy and since then it's forbidden to get a weapon when you have a mental illness. But I don't think such a law would work in America. Even if they would forbid all guns, people who have a few can just hide them. It's impossible to check that.

We are forbidden from owning a gun if we have ever had a mental illness. Even if I wanted a gun, I couldn't get one, because I was suicidal 12 years ago.

See how well that one works. (The guy who killed the children at Sandy Hook was so mentally disabled, he still lived at home with his mom. It wasn't his gun. It was hers. Legally bought too.)

 

[hornetguy]

Wouldn't it make sense to ban weapons from public places to avoid things like that happening?
(if "protection" is needed, isn't that what the police is supposed to be there for?)

No.


Police seldom "stop" violence. Usually they are there to finish off the suspect, or clean up the mess.

And, just how would you "ban" weapons from public places? Tell people they can own guns, but they can't take them out of their houses?



Apparently, this time, they stopped it. Good for them for getting there quickly and taking decisive action.

It's being called a workplace violence issue.

 

[hornetguy]

Hmm, maybe.
... but so many of them kill themselves in the end anyway.

praying for the people involved

???????? What????? That makes no sense whatsoever.... can you elaborate?