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Colt45Bullet

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No one will take my guns. If they try, they will be looking down the barrel of one.
 

hornetguy

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What did you do about it? (We could use sanity lessons.)
What they did was confiscate and destroy all privately owned firearms.

Now they are very peaceful sheep.

The only way for that to happen here would require a blood-bath of epic proportions. Most citizens get really distressed when someone tries to take possessions away unconstitutionally.

In fact, that is one of the main reasons the founding fathers of THIS nation wrote the 2nd amendment.... in order for our state to remain secure, the PEOPLE have the right to be armed. And the responsibility to provide armed resistance to any attempts at tyranny, whether from outside, or within.

They knew first hand what happens to unarmed subjects, and they were determined to never have that happen here. So far, it's worked pretty well.
 
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Voldemort

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Wouldn't it make sense to ban weapons from public places to avoid things like that happening?
(if "protection" is needed, isn't that what the police is supposed to be there for?)
In the US, they banned murder, but people still murder. A law saying a person isn't allowed to do (or have) something doesn't automatically mean a person won't do (or have) something.
 
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Voldemort

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The places with the least gun controll have the least problems with shootings
That's like saying homes with the least amount of proactive parents have the least problems with their children.

We could find anecdotal evidence, stats, and surveys to reinforce our biased opinions, but it doesn't make it actual truth or fact.

The truth is, healthy people should have access to guns but the government should require more vetting (psychological evaluation especially) for someone to own a firearm. Mental sickness is one of the biggest untreated illnesses in the US and I don't think there is enough checking/vetting required by legislation for a citizen to purchase a gun.

You can be pro-gun and regulation.
 
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Voldemort

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That makes perfect sense. If a shooter knows he is going to have, possibly, thirty people shooting back at him, at the same time, I imagine he will think twice.
I get the logic, but you are assuming the person with the gun contemplating murder is of sound mind making rational decisions... Many people (especially mentally ill people) who have murder in their hearts will more than likely not care or think about the other 30 people shooting back. It won't stop them from doing what their emotions/mental illness has led them to.
 

crossnote

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#46
That's like saying homes with the least amount of proactive parents have the least problems with their children.

We could find anecdotal evidence, stats, and surveys to reinforce our biased opinions, but it doesn't make it actual truth or fact.

The truth is, healthy people should have access to guns but the government should require more vetting (psychological evaluation especially) for someone to own a firearm. Mental sickness is one of the biggest untreated illnesses in the US and I don't think there is enough checking/vetting required by legislation for a citizen to purchase a gun.

You can be pro-gun and regulation.
And who will screen the screeners? Gee, some of the whacky behavior that passes as 'normal' by 'professionals' these days gives me reason to hesitate.
 
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A criminal or crazy person can always find or steal a weapon from somewhere?
 
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Voldemort

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Someone who wants a gun will get a gun no matter what and no matter where.
I agree, but it sort of reminds me of American's view of "abstinence". When people use the same argument, "teens will have sex no matter what... so lets teach them safe sex", you have the other side that says "we don't have to make it easier for them to engage in premarital sex!"

Bad people will find a way to get guns, there is no legislation that can filter that out. Legislation can filter out emotionally unstable people and mentally ill people from obtaining them. That is where I think more regulations should be targeted at.
 

Demi777

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I agree, but it sort of reminds me of American's view of "abstinence". When people use the same argument, "teens will have sex no matter what... so lets teach them safe sex", you have the other side that says "we don't have to make it easier for them to engage in premarital sex!"

Bad people will find a way to get guns, there is no legislation that can filter that out. Legislation can filter out emotionally unstable people and mentally ill people from obtaining them. That is where I think more regulations should be targeted at.

Im radical when it comes to sex lol!!! Dont think I am one of them *cough cough whores. I am definitely not. So in case your assuming that I dont respect my body and will let any one get me to have sex before marriage, let me put your soul to ease and say.. Id rather wear a Chasity belt then to break my Lords heart by giving up something THAT avoidable .
You can get as many regulations as you want. Still who wants guns will get guns, Who wants to have sex will have sex and who wants to take drugs will take drugs
 
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Voldemort

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And who will screen the screeners? Gee, some of the whacky behavior that passes as 'normal' by 'professionals' these days gives me reason to hesitate.
Good question. I would hope the people who are suppose to be policing the police would be screening the screeners. People, armed with their votes, should demand health professions be apart of a committee who psychologically evaluates people wishing to become gun owners. This won't be 100% fool-proof, but I think it would be better than the status-quo.
 
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Voldemort

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Im radical when it comes to sex lol!!! Dont think I am one of them *cough cough whores. I am definitely not. So in case your assuming that I dont respect my body and will let any one get me to have sex before marriage, let me put your soul to ease and say.. Id rather wear a Chasity belt then to break my Lords heart by giving up something THAT avoidable .
You can get as many regulations as you want. Still who wants guns will get guns, Who wants to have sex will have sex and who wants to take drugs will take drugs
I'm pleased to see the conviction you have in obeying what God has commanded His children to do (obeying the law of chastity). This was not meant as any assumption of your character, but rather, your response made me think of the counter argument of the abstinence topic: We shouldn't make it easier for them to engage (or have access to guns) in premarital sex.

We agree that many people will get guns regardless of regulations, but do we disagree that regulations could help in reducing the amount of people (mentally ill for example) who shouldn't have access to them?
 

jsr1221

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These evil men who shoot innocent people are cowards.
They choose "soft" targets, those with least resistance.
They want to inflict the greatest damage as posible with the least resistance.
When was the last time that a place or person that was armed was attacked?
I forget where, but there is a guy that tried to rob a restaurant, and one of the workers there had a conceal carry under the counter. So there are attackers that do try to go after people and places that have conceal carry.
 
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jennymae

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I think it is important to realize that the American society (I'm using the term "American" even though there are significant differences between the states). The founding fathers goal, if I may simplify it, was to create a society where the people were protected from the authorities, unlike most European countries back then (and now, apparently). The Constitution secured peoples rights to bear arms, so that a repressive gov't won't be able to do whatever it may please. This is so important that tampering with the 2nd is considered both unconstitutional and anti American.

Whenever I'm reading peoples take on said amendment, it's obvious to me that most folks don't grasp this, and is blazing away at the 2nd amendment...the understanding of this, for reasons not fully revealed to me, is in decline even in America.

I'm sorry this lacks some structure, but I'm real tired and I'm posting from my phone:)
 
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jsr1221

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If someone comes to my home with evil on their mind, they are confronted by raw, easily agitated, 179 pound woman who knows how to use her knee.
Coming from a guy, I really do not know why more people don't start kneeing or kicking men attackers in that area. It would cause any guy to fall to the floor and drop any weapon. Why don't they? Is it a "bro code" for men not to do that to another man? Are women not aware of this defense tactic? That whole thing just boggles my mind. I'm kinda asking this for everyone, not just you. Your post just kinda made me think this.
 
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JustWhoIAm

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The problem is violence, and we nurture it in our society in so many ways from what we see on TV as kids on up.

Cain didn't need a gun to kill Abel. All he really needed was motivation.

Criminals will be able to get weapons if they want to. Gun control won't fix that, gun control will only hamper a law-abiding citizen's ability to have appropriate tools for defense on hand when they are needed.

Government knows this. They want more control and they are manipulating the people to get it =/ it's been that way for a while now.
 
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The problem is violence, and we nurture it in our society in so many ways from what we see on TV as kids on up.

Cain didn't need a gun to kill Abel. All he really needed was motivation.

Criminals will be able to get weapons if they want to. Gun control won't fix that, gun control will only hamper a law-abiding citizen's ability to have appropriate tools for defense on hand when they are needed.

Government knows this. They want more control and they are manipulating the people to get it =/ it's been that way for a while now.
Great wisdom right there, brother. Thanks for sharing.
 

Demi777

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I'm pleased to see the conviction you have in obeying what God has commanded His children to do (obeying the law of chastity). This was not meant as any assumption of your character, but rather, your response made me think of the counter argument of the abstinence topic: We shouldn't make it easier for them to engage (or have access to guns) in premarital sex.

We agree that many people will get guns regardless of regulations, but do we disagree that regulations could help in reducing the amount of people (mentally ill for example) who shouldn't have access to them?
Mentally Ill yes,, People with a background of murder,rape,assault,,.. yes