Common Misconceptions Of Hyper-Grace

[eternally-gratefull]

As I teach we are saved through belief in Jesus, either I am lying that I teach this or you are lying.

No your not lying, you do teach this, But even demons believe, yet tremble.. My problem with your gospel. is it has no faith.or power because anything that can be lost, or thrown away is meaningless. it has no power. and thats the gospel you teach,

We have at length defined you believe you have arrived at new birth, whereas I say you need to be sanctified, which is why the believer agreed to follow.

Now legalism means following rules that justify you. As I do not do this I am not a legalist.
You define legalism as saying there are any rules related to behaviour and morality.

Now the concept you propose is you can be given a gift, but it cannot be taken back.

At this the servant fell on his knees before him. ‘Be patient with me,’ he begged, ‘and I will pay back everything.’ The servant’s master took pity on him, canceled the debt and let him go.
Matt 18:26-27

Jesus in this parable the servant was forgiven, but the servant did not forgive a fellow servant.
The master heared and then threw him into prison for the debt he had previously been forgiven.

Behaviour matters, but not in your gospel.

Simple idea, but you are ignoring Jesus by holding your position on faith.

Nope. again you are not being truthful about what I believe

Legalism is making eternal salvation dependent on obeying those rules..

Grace teaches we obey those rules after we are empowered to bey them by the grace and love of Christ (we love because God loved us)

You teach grace has no power. And salvation is a fragile thing which can be lost. Again, your salvation has no power. Because it is based on self and what you do. Not based on What God did 2000 years ago.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Dear reader, I am disappointed. The critisms are plain and simple, but they all refuse to answer them.

They know the power of their half message, their slander and false accusations, their stand against the word of God, and then the refuse to engage in the real argument.

Unfortunately I do not expect this behaviour from brothers and sisters in the Lord but in the deceived.
And if they make us into enemies and slander us, what hope is there for unbelievers?

so you have made how many false accusations against me today. And have not even attempted to answer one of them when asked to prove them.

And your going to go here..

shame shame..

 

[PeterJens]

so you have made how many false accusations against me today. And have not even attempted to answer one of them when asked to prove them.
And your going to go here..
shame shame..

EG Indignation works if it has a point. I am prepared to feel guilty of a sin or thing I have said that is not true.
You say I have lied. Now a lie to me is to say something that is not true.

I am will to ask for your forgiveness if you feel I have upset you, or lied about something. I do not want a brother or anyone to hold something real against me.

So please tell me ( in a way I can understand ) I would be most grateful. I do not want there to be bad blood between us.

 

[Grace777x70]

Maybe we should let the Holy Spirit deal with all of us in whatever area He deems is fit for us individually? I don't see any fruit coming from these endless talks here. Some believe one way and some another.

The endless debates are useless and are really causing divisions amongst us which should not be. We should just "allow" the other to have the freedom to believe however they are inclined. This "attacking" each other and calling names and having malice towards another and slandering each other and leaders in the body of Christ must stop.

I for one am leaning towards just leaving the information and let the Holy Spirit show the people interested what He wants them to know about any area. If someone has a legitimate question , then that is fine and can be asked in a loving, respectful way..then those I will answer.

We can trust Him to reveal Jesus to us.

I just want people to have another view other then the so-called traditional view and the other side should be free to say what they want too as well. They too can leave websites or blogs for people to access to determine within themselves things.

I tend to think what Gamaliel had to say about disputes with the apostles might be appropriate here.

Acts 5:38-40 (NASB)
[SUP]38 [/SUP] "So in the present case, I say to you, stay away from these men and let them alone, for if this plan or action is of men, it will be overthrown;
[SUP]39 [/SUP] but if it is of God, you will not be able to overthrow them; or else you may even be found fighting against God."
[SUP]40 [/SUP] They took his advice; and after calling the apostles in, they flogged them and ordered them not to speak in the name of Jesus, and then released them.

Let's all be willing to take a final flogging from both groups and then leave it in the Lord's mighty hands...we are all brothers and want to grow in the grace and knowledge of out Lord Jesus. Let's lift Him up. He is our Life!

 

[PeterJens]

Maybe we should let the Holy Spirit deal with all of us in whatever area He deems is fit for us individually? I don't see any fruit coming from these endless talks here. Some believe one way and some another.

This is a joke as Grace7x77 is the instigator of the whole proliferation of such discussions. I suspect even he is realising he is loosing the argument and the "enemy" as he would call us are not unable to stand against such rubbish theology.

His so called agreed group actually are divided over many of the issues he holds dear, and do not realise the contradictions behind Prince and the others.

So I see no innocent peace maker here, only damage limitation. There is no desire among people to simply accept the positions put forward because they are not actually full formed and need to be throughly understood and brought into the open. Every movement knows without obvious victory they want to bide there time. The Lord does not work like this and judgement will fall.

 

[Grace777x70]

Sorry Peter I'm just going to have to put you on ignore......I sincerely trust that the Lord will bless you abundantly in all ways in your life..I bless you and your family! Be well!

Philippians 1:6 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.

This is a joke as Grace7x77 is the instigator of the whole proliferation of such discussions. I suspect even he is realising he is loosing the argument and the "enemy" as he would call us are not unable to stand against such rubbish theology.

His so called agreed group actually are divided over many of the issues he holds dear, and do not realise the contradictions behind Prince and the others.

So I see no innocent peace maker here, only damage limitation. There is no desire among people to simply accept the positions put forward because they are not actually full formed and need to be throughly understood and brought into the open. Every movement knows without obvious victory they want to bide there time. The Lord does not work like this and judgement will fall.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Sorry Peter I'm just going to have to put you on ignore......I sincerely trust that the Lord will bless you abundantly in all ways in your life..I bless you and your family! Be well!

Trust me, Peter, it's wonderful. You can refute his posts without getting a lot of noise back.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

This is a joke as Grace7x77 is the instigator of the whole proliferation of such discussions. I suspect even he is realising he is loosing the argument and the "enemy" as he would call us are not unable to stand against such rubbish theology.

Exactly. These are all of the threads that he posted that one post.

Grace is not a message - it's a person
What are the Consequences of Falling from Grace?
Why You Should Stop Hating on Celebrity Pastors - Charisma Magazine
Hyper-grace - Jesus is why people go to Hell
The Deceitfulness of New.Modern.Hyper Grace
Hyper-Grace Defined
Common Misconceptions Of Hyper-Grace
Is This a Hyper-Grace Doctrine of Men FORUM?

1. Stir up trouble
2. Blame it on someone else
3. Offer a solution

 

[NayborBear]

Romans-12:4,5, and, first part of 6-(quoting Paul) "For as we have many members in ONE body, and all members have NOT the SAME office: 5) So WE, being many, ARE ONE BODY IN CHRIST, and, EVERYONE members ONE OF ANOTHER. 6a) Having THEN "gifts" DIFFERING according to the grace that is given to us......"

(add to this)

1 Corinth.-12: 18, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25 (quoting Paul, again ) "But now hath God (notice, NOT Christ) set the members EVERY ONE OF THEM IN THE BODY, as it hath pleased Him. 21) And the eye cannot say unto the hand, "I have NO NEED OF THEE ! ): nor again the head to the feet, "I HAVE NO NEED OF YOU !" 22) NAY!!, (you self righteous numbskulls).......(BECAUSE) Much MORE those members of the body, which SEEM to be more feeble, ARE NECESSARY!!! (can ya hear me now?) 23) And, those members of the body, which we think to be less honorable, upon these, we bestow more abundant honour (thus making/and), our inelegant parts have more abundant elegance. 24) For our elegant parts, have NO NEED: BUT God (notice again, NOT Christ), hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant HONOR (grace?) to that part which lacked: 25) That there should be NO schism (gaps,breaks,breaches) in the body; (so) that the members SHOULD HAVE THE SAME CARE one for another.

 

[BenFTW]

Given some of the misconceptions that are still rampant on the threads about hyper-grace theology I thought maybe this needed a resurrection? lol

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Given some of the misconceptions that are still rampant on the threads about hyper-grace theology I thought maybe this needed a resurrection? lol

Ugh, Sadly you brought back to remembrance how bad things Got..

 

[BenFTW]

Ugh, Sadly you brought back to remembrance how bad things Got..

Haha, that an entire thread had to be dedicated to rebuttals of common misconceptions or just re-reading through some of the disagreements? lol

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Haha, that an entire thread had to be dedicated to rebuttals of common misconceptions or just re-reading through some of the disagreements? lol

Both..

but especially the same old denials of any wrong doing (what the thread was about to begin with)

 

[popeye]

Haha, that an entire thread had to be dedicated to rebuttals of common misconceptions or just re-reading through some of the disagreements? lol

What happens at conversion is the law giver now resides in the believer.

So,we enjoy BOTH.

He didn't defeat the law or cancel it,he fulfilled it.

They are arguing "either/or"

That is a merry go round.

 

[Grace777x70]

Maybe we should let the Holy Spirit deal with all of us in whatever area He deems is fit for us individually? I don't see any fruit coming from these endless talks here. Some believe one way and some another.

The endless debates are useless and are really causing divisions amongst us which should not be. We should just "allow" the other to have the freedom to believe however they are inclined. This "attacking" each other and calling names and having malice towards another and slandering each other and leaders in the body of Christ must stop.

I for one am leaning towards just leaving the information and let the Holy Spirit show the people interested what He wants them to know about any area. If someone has a legitimate question , then that is fine and can be asked in a loving, respectful way..then those I will answer.

We can trust Him to reveal Jesus to us.

I just want people to have another view other then the so-called traditional view and the other side should be free to say what they want too as well. They too can leave websites or blogs for people to access to determine within themselves things.

I tend to think what Gamaliel had to say about disputes with the apostles might be appropriate here.

Acts 5:38-40 (NASB)
[SUP]38 [/SUP] "So in the present case, I say to you, stay away from these men and let them alone, for if this plan or action is of men, it will be overthrown;
[SUP]39 [/SUP] but if it is of God, you will not be able to overthrow them; or else you may even be found fighting against God."
[SUP]40 [/SUP] They took his advice; and after calling the apostles in, they flogged them and ordered them not to speak in the name of Jesus, and then released them.

Let's all be willing to take a final flogging from both groups and then leave it in the Lord's mighty hands...we are all brothers and want to grow in the grace and knowledge of out Lord Jesus. Let's lift Him up. He is our Life!

I find it very telling when you see how some people have responded to this post above. It reveals what "spirit" that is behind what is really driving some people.

 

[PeterJens]

I was thinking today of the fruit of saying positive is good, we will mystically unite with God through Christ, and our flesh will just fade away.

It has its fruit. It is driven by ex-legalists who spent all the christian experience trying to be good christians rather than learn to be a good friend. Dumping it all and making everyone else a legalist does not help.

Though we sound like we have a common goal, that is not true, because our communion is different.

The righteous, purified and holy people of God walk in this in their own right because Christ gives them the healing and right to do it.

For me the most revealing thing was claiming sinful christians with unresolved issues and open rebellion are never more righteous and holy because of their faith than where they are today. It is this kind of thinking that makes a mockery of salvation and the cross. If the cross is not about real resolution it is not about eternity. Real resolution is not I am defeated and overcome, it is I am an overcomer and have overcome.

But so many have so much hidden in their lives, which they share with none, not even God, it is not surprising it does not work.

 

[Ariel82]

Given some of the misconceptions that are still rampant on the threads about hyper-grace theology I thought maybe this needed a resurrection? lol

I think it should have stayed buried. I don't like the title and haven't read any other post fully.

Why can plain ordinary "grace" be good enough? Why does it have to be "hyper"?

Why go back and play in the mud? Why not a new thread?

 

[Grace777x70]

I think it should have stayed buried. I don't like the title and haven't read any other post fully.

Why can plain ordinary "grace" be good enough? Why does it have to be "hyper"?

Why go back and play in the mud? Why not a new thread?

I think if all of us looked at the mindsets that have been revealed in this thread - then we would know what we need to deal with in discussing this topic because there are lot's of mis-perceptions. Perhaps all of us can find different ways of "communicating" so that things can be discussed civilly.

I am with you about not getting into the "mud" slinging and name calling thing as it serves no purpose and is divisive.

I never did like the term hyper-grace either because it was used in a disparaging way but after some research - God's true grace shown in Christ is really "hyper".

Who figured?...I guess it is called Amazing Grace as the song says for a good reason.....

 

[RobbyEarl]

Hyper grace means that you can cheat on your wife,rob the bank, smoke pot, and snort cocaine, and drink liquor and beat your kids and it's all good. Jesus is love.

 

[Grace777x70]

Hyper grace means that you can cheat on your wife,rob the bank, smoke pot, and snort cocaine, and drink liquor and beat your kids and it's all good. Jesus is love.

Really?..wow!..I have listened to over a thousand different messages and I have never heard that before.

I have heard the exact opposite - that the more we teach and preach the grace of Christ - the more sin will not have dominion over us and that grace teaches us how to live godly in this present world.

Teaching on the grace of Christ will no more make a believer in Christ want to go out and sin all they want then preaching on love for our spouse will make us want to go to Ashley Madison.