That's your best shot. Most dispys don't take him serious.
That's like saying Reformed like Crystal Cathedrals because Robert Schuller is Reformed. (so he says,)
Dispensationalism
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That's like saying Reformed like Crystal Cathedrals because Robert Schuller is Reformed. (so he says,)
I tried to copy here an article I wrote elsewhere about the Ezekiel passage, but it was a bit long. Here's the link:
I think you'll find that article and the links at the end to give you some food for thought
.It was written over five years ago, so some of the links may not work now, but a few of the key ones that I checked do.
-JGIG
I tried to copy here an article I wrote elsewhere about the Ezekiel passage, but it was a bit long. Here's the link:
I think you'll find that article and the links at the end to give you some food for thought
It was written over five years ago, so some of the links may not work now, but a few of the key ones that I checked do.
-JGIG
Thanks..I loved the story of the elevator and the man telling his son to go get his mama...lol
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eternally-gratefull
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I said mainstream, I heard along time ago, one of my pastors taught that jews will be saved by law in the tribulation. He was the only person I ever heard say this, Not saying others do not, I trust you that this man may do that..
But I am not going to give up my belief because some people may pervert my belief.. People perveert the gospel. But I am still going to have faith in it..
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I wouldn't say they "cannot" arrive at the correct understanding. The word "dispensation" is in the Bible for that matter. Eph.1:10 [SUP]10 [/SUP]that in the dispensation of the fullness of times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth, even in Him.
Eph.3:2 [SUP]2 [/SUP]if ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me toward you,
Col.1:25 [SUP]25 [/SUP]of which I am made a minister according to the dispensation of God, which is given to me for you, to fulfill the Word of God—
I'm not a "Dispensationalist" anymore than I am a "Word of Faith-er", but I find many of the ways that help me understand the Bible contained in some of those teachings. And often times I've come to the interpretation of certain verses without knowing the term others have for it for instance "dispensation" or "word of faith"
I've noticed the same people who don't like one of those words has the same sort of dislike for the other. A person does not have to be identified by these terms just because they approve of some of the interpretations they teach. Some people would consider me a Baptist but I wouldn't. Another reason I find it so "lazy" of people when they label others. It is a very lazy practice a lot of Christians engage in here on CC.
This statement and looking at the responses EG is a dispensationalist.
He can say I do not know what he believes. When talking about dispensationalism and that is your position why not talk about it?
It is like saying I am an evangelical but I am going to keep it to myself. Or I am a christian talking on a christian forum about beliefs but I will happily tear apart others beliefs and put them right but not declare my own. Sounds pretty hypocritical.
Personally I believe what man thinks about God’s relationship with anyone but me is God’s business.
Jesus once told me, and he did this audibly, to stop trying to figure him out and just follow him. Jesus was telling me to just do as he tells me, and that is all.
People say but God gave us a mind to use. I say yes God gave us a mind, and his people are to use his or her mind to do as Jesus Christ our Lord God tells them to do.
Those who follow Jesus Christ are servants of God and do as they are told.
Jesus once told me, and he did this audibly, to stop trying to figure him out and just follow him. Jesus was telling me to just do as he tells me, and that is all.
People say but God gave us a mind to use. I say yes God gave us a mind, and his people are to use his or her mind to do as Jesus Christ our Lord God tells them to do.
Those who follow Jesus Christ are servants of God and do as they are told.
Interesting point. I agree to a point, until someone starts telling you you are wrong and should believe something else, and then does not make it clear what they mean.
Some people have a talent to kick people, but do it in a subtle ways it does not look like it to others, because it is about emotional sensitivities. If you start sharing and you get set upon, it then becomes open field time. So when one of these totally dogmatic people appear, I want to know what they actually believe so I can understand their language. I have no problem leaving them alone, but page after page of diatribe sparks my interest, to know how or why. If anything just to make it stop.
There are groups also who are determined to dominate and literally overcome whole churches and congregations in an agressive manner. One pastor declared to people who did not agree with him in one church, they should leave.
So though it is commendable, this is no longer a passive environment, with people willing to tow a line or respect other believers. For some this is war. I have already been told I am a wolf and evil, and should be banned, for trying to define and declare what different groups actually believe and work out the consequences. And some of these groups are a different faith, in the guise of being christians and wish to use our language but redefine it, so the same biblical words mean something never intended, and we are now the heretics and apostates and should be expelled. Such words have been used against me and others.
So I suggest you get more ready and aware.
Some take the Temple sacrifices as commemorative rather than atoning...a possibility.I tried to copy here an article I wrote elsewhere about the Ezekiel passage, but it was a bit long. Here's the link:
I think you'll find that article and the links at the end to give you some food for thought
It was written over five years ago, so some of the links may not work now, but a few of the key ones that I checked do.
-JGIG
Strange, I find this is the way many non dispys act towards dispensationalists. Perhaps it's because the dispensationalists have a more developed eschatology which provides more target area, whereas most other systems can be summed up with 'it all happened by 70AD or 'Christ is coming again and will judge all mankind'...completely leaving unanswered 100's of OT prophecies.
I have been sharing what Jesus Christ has taught me about him for almost forty years. There is no place where anyone has accepted what has been shared by me. Jesus has given me a job to tell just about everyone that they are wrong about their Christian beliefs.
The Holy Spirit once told me to tell people that no matter who tells them anything about God, be it a priest, bishop, or anyone they were to ask Jesus if it was right or wrong. I thought what a great idea. But the problem as I found out is, almost no one has the sort of relationship with Jesus Christ where they can ask him a question and receive an answer.
So far Jesus has had me only share to those who say they are Christian. It will not be long before he has me do much more.
Yes I have been accused of many evil things. Jesus Christ was also accused of many evil things.
No one in all the years has ever been able to show that anything shared by me contradicted the written Word of God.
Jesus Christ is my Lord and God. Jesus Christ is God come in the flesh. I only do as my Lord and God tells me.
I am a Child of God.
(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who has been begotten by God sins; because God’s seed remains inside him, he cannot sin when he has been begotten by God. In this way we distinguish the children of God from the children of the devil: anybody not living a holy life and not loving his brother is no child of God’s”
A quick question John, why have you been chosen and not part of a larger group? And we have got it wrong about our Christian beliefs. Yep maybe, but what is your alternative. Unless we can test it against scripture and know its content it is just blowing in the wind.
Now to your question as to where the church has it wrong about its Christian beliefs.
Jesus said he loves those who prove that they love him.
(John 14: 23) “Anyone who loves me will keep my word and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.”
(John 14:21) “Anybody who receives my commandments and keeps them will be one who loves me; and anybody who loves me will be loved by My Father, and I shall love him and show myself to him.” Notice Jesus said one needs to keep his Commandments to love him, and then he says he shall love them.
Now to the Commandments that the church does not teach or keep. Some people keep some of the following commandments, but I don’t know of any church that teaches all and keeps all of just the commandments that follow.
(1 John 2:4 -6) “Anyone who says, 'I know him', and does not keep his commandments, is a liar, refusing to admit the truth." but when anyone does obey what he has said, God's love comes to perfection in him." We can be sure that we are in God only when the one who claims to be living in him is living the same kind of life as Christ lived.” Jerusalem Bible
(1 John 3:9-10) “No one who has been begotten by God sins; because God’s seed remains inside him, he cannot sin when he has been begotten by God. In this way we distinguish the children of God from the children of the devil: anybody not living a holy life and not loving his brother is no child of God’s”
(Luke 14:33) “So in the same way, none of you can be my disciple unless he gives up all his possessions.”
(Matthew 6:19) “Do not store up treasures for yourselves on earth, where moths and woodworms destroy them and thieves can break in and steal.”
(Luke 14:33) “So in the same way, none of you can be my disciple unless he gives up all his possessions.”
(Matthew 5:48) “Even the pagans do as much, do they not? You must therefore be perfect just as your heavenly Father is perfect.”
(Matthew 5:39) “You have learnt how it was said: ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’ But I say this to you: offer the wicked man no resistance.”
(1 John 3:5-6) “Now you know that he appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen him or known him.”
(1 Corinthians 5:11) “What I wrote was that you should not associate with a brother Christian who is leading an immoral life, or is a usurer, or idolatrous, or a slanderer, or a drunkard or is dishonest; you should not even eat a meal with people like that.”
This contradicts God's Word...
"Jesus has given me a job to tell just about everyone that they are wrong about their Christian beliefs."
By the way a cult leader has people follow him or her because they tell their followers what they want to hear. Most all pastors of a church understand that very well. No church keeps people by telling then the truth.
(1 Corinthians 12:27-30) “Now you together are Christ’s body; but each of you is a different part of it. In the Church, God has given the first place to apostles, the second to prophets, the third to teachers; after them, miracles, and after them the gift of healing; helpers, good leaders, those with many languages. Are all of them apostles, or all of them prophets, or all of them teachers? Do all speak strange languages, and all interpret them?”
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Yes, but many cult leaders get their start by having a dream/vision showing how the Church has been wrong since the Apostles.
Jesus has shown me the Church went wrong when it stopped obeying him. That is when he/Holy Spirit stopped leading the Church.
(Matthew 5:39) “You have learnt how it was said: ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’ But I say this to you: offer the wicked man no resistance.”
These are powerful verses, and I agree with your position. Aspiration to them is my first question, not achievement because most of church history has been how not arrival. So ok it is good to have a message, but can you deliver a solution or realisation?